The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[SabbathBlessings]

If we believe in Jesus and accept His forgiveness, we are, out of love, to do what He has asked. He has never asked us (new covenant Christians) to observe the rituals given only to Israel. He has asked that we love others as He loves us. In fact, Jews, since Calvary, are subject to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant has passed. They are not obligated to keep the Old Covenant rituals. Everyone is under the New Covenant. It is here for all mankind.

I guess we will find out, Jesus in action Luke4:16 and what He taught Mat12:12 Mark2:27 Mat4:4 Mat5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 21:13 quoting Isa 56:6-7 Mat 24:20 etc said something different, but I know your mind is made up and no amount of Scripture is going to change that. Guess we shall find out soon enough

 

[Jerry N.]

If we believe in Jesus and accept His forgiveness, we are, out of love, to do what He has asked. He has never asked us (new covenant Christians) to observe the rituals given only to Israel. He has asked that we love others as He loves us. In fact, Jews, since Calvary, are subject to the New Covenant. The Old Covenant has passed. They are not obligated to keep the Old Covenant rituals. Everyone is under the New Covenant. It is here for all mankind.

We are not obliged under the New Covenant, but we may choose to do what is good under the Old Covenant. I choose to keep the Sabbath, because God said that it was good to keep that day holy.

 

[JulieB67]

Can you please share with me, if we are to love God with all heart, mind and soul which of these commandments of these are we free to break that God said if we love Him, we would keep them

We know the two commandments Christ gave us, we can hang "all" the law on them. So all of us fall short of those from time to time, no one is perfect in the flesh. But we do strive to walk in the spirit so we can obey those two he gave us.

For many of us, our rest in Christ fulfils the 4th commandment. You just happen to believe differently. Again, the two he gives us we can hang all of them on them.

I recently read a post of yours where you were telling someone they shouldn't take the figurative meaning or secondary meaning over the primary, and I thought to myself, why don't you practice what you tell others. This is literally what Heb4:9 means. The literal word for word translation I posted in the next post, it wasn't saving here for some reason. Take a look and see for yourself.

I do practice that. The context starting off about "rest" is verse 3. Your problem is you see "Sabbath rest" and think of it as naturally as the weekly repose which is Sabbaton. We can't just assume Sabbath rest means the "weekly repose" That's not what the Greek defintion of sabbatismos is..

In Hebrews 4, nowhere is it mentioned we are to keep the weekly repose. sabbaton is not mentioned. If that was the rest that remained, it would have stated that. You keep mentioning that sabbatismos is that. But it's not. It's entirely different.

hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

Sabbtismos-

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest
Again, first definiton is rest. Not weekly rest/repose


From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

Sabbaton is the weekly "repose" What is repose? Rest. So it's rest- that's the subject we are talking about.

Can you explain how we can be in Christs rest when we are sinning and breaking one or any of God's commandments?

There's a difference between falling short, missing the mark and the habitual sinner who could care less.
God is the heart knower.

Thats not what the Sabbath commandment says Exo20:8-11

It is certainly about rest after work. Even the verse you posted shows that.


11 For pin six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Today we have this


Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

That's how we enter into his rest.



Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

Those verses start with his rest and ends in his rest. You believe and others believe it's the weekly rest that remains.

And just because the disciples/apostles were in the temple preaching does not mean they were observing the sabbath.

Was not looking for another debate with you as we have been down this road many times. We just believe differently.

We shall see in the end....

 

[JulieB67]

Can you please share with me, if we are to love God with all heart, mind and soul which of these commandments of these are we free to break that God said if we love Him, we would keep them

We know the two commandments Christ gave us, we can hang "all" the law on them. So all of us fall short of those from time to time, no one is perfect in the flesh. But we do strive to walk in the spirit so we can obey those two he gave us.

For many of us, our rest in Christ fulfils the 4th commandment. You just happen to believe differently. Again, the two he gives us we can hang all of them on them.

I recently read a post of yours where you were telling someone they shouldn't take the figurative meaning or secondary meaning over the primary, and I thought to myself, why don't you practice what you tell others. This is literally what Heb4:9 means. The literal word for word translation I posted in the next post, it wasn't saving here for some reason. Take a look and see for yourself.

I do practice that. The context starting off about "rest" is verse 3. Your problem is you see "Sabbath rest" and think of it as naturally as the weekly repose which is Sabbaton. We can't just assume Sabbath rest means the "weekly repose" That's not what the Greek defintion of sabbatismos is..

In Hebrews 4, nowhere is it mentioned we are to keep the weekly repose. sabbaton is not mentioned. If that was the rest that remained, it would have stated that. You keep mentioning that sabbatismos is that. But it's not. It's entirely different.

hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

Rest in verse 3 is basic word for rest -reposing down

katapausis: Rest


Sabbitismos in verse 9

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest
Again, first definiton is rest. Not weekly rest/repose


From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

Sabbaton is the weekly "repose" What is repose? Rest. So it's rest- that's the subject we are talking about.

Can you explain how we can be in Christs rest when we are sinning and breaking one or any of God's commandments?

There's a difference between falling short, missing the mark and the habitual sinner who could care less.
God is the heart knower.

Thats not what the Sabbath commandment says Exo20:8-11

It is certainly about rest after work. Even the verse you posted shows that.


11 For pin six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Today we have this


Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

That's how we enter into his rest.



Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

Those verses start with his rest and ends in his rest. You believe and others believe it's the weekly rest that remains. Was not looking into debating this you with you and we have been down this road many times. We shall see in the end....

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We know the two commandments Christ gave us, we can hang "all" the law on them. So all of us fall short of those from time to time, no one is perfect in the flesh. But we do strive to walk in the spirit so we can obey those two he gave us.

For many of us, our rest in Christ fulfils the 4th commandment. You just happen to believe differently. Again, the two he gives us we can hang all of them on them.

Hangs on Scripture does not mean it changes or alters, can you imagine applying this to the first commandment? There is no Scripture that says the rest Christ gives deletes the 4th commandment. As shown Mat11:28 Mat12:12 Luke4:16 Lev 23:3 Its nonsensical. The 4th commandment is just that, not something God gave to Himself. Jesus never turned into the 4th commandment or the Sabbath day. He is our Creator, not the creation. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for us Mar2:27 and its something man does Isa56:2

I do practice that. The context starting off about "rest" is verse 3. Your problem is you see "Sabbath rest" and think of it as naturally as the weekly repose which is Sabbaton. We can't just assume Sabbath rest means the "weekly repose" That's not what the Greek defintion of sabbatismos is..

In Hebrews 4, nowhere is it mentioned we are to keep the weekly repose. sabbaton is not mentioned. If that was the rest that remained, it would have stated that. You keep mentioning that sabbatismos is that. But it's not. It's entirely different.

hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

Sabbtismos-

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest
Again, first definiton is rest. Not weekly rest/repose


From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

Why take the figurative meaning which is what it "might" mean over the literal translation which is what it does mean, I provided the word for word which correlates with the Testimony of God. Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Psa89:34

Sabbaton is the weekly "repose" What is repose? Rest. So it's rest- that's the subject we are talking about.

The commandment says to keep the Sabbath day holy Exo 20:11, ceasing from works and labors so we can do so focusing our time on God on His holy day Isa58:13. These are not my words; these are the spoken and/or written Testimony of God.

There's a difference between falling short, missing the mark and the habitual sinner who could care less.
God is the heart knower.

God defines what sin is 1John3:4 James2:11, not us.

It is certainly about rest after work. Even the verse you posted shows that.


11 For pin six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

We are to rest from our work and labors so we can keep the seventh day Sabbath holy.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Today we have this


Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

That's how we enter into his rest.



Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

I know this passage can be difficult why its important to also compare to the rest of Scripture like what God promised He would not alter Psa89:34 meaning no Scripture can contradict God and it doesn't.

There are two different rests being referred to in this passage

The rest Christ gives we enter through faith and the Sabbath rest, which is on the seventh day that remains for God's people

The rest in Heb 4:3 means this in Greek- which is not the same rest in v9 its a whole different word and meaning.

katapausis: Rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Pronunciation: kah-tah'-pow-sis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)

Hebrews 4:10 clearly shows two different rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

The word also means in addition. So those who have entered into Christ's rest ALSO in addition ceased from their works as God did.

When did God cease from His works. This very passage tells us

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”

Sorry this cannot be any plainer. God did not rest from His works every day. He rested from His works on the seventh day. To not see this is just not being honest with the Text, there is no other way to say this. Those who enter His rest ALSO cease from their work on the seventh day. The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10


What is For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way about. Its taking us back to where God spoke Exo20:1 of the seventh day in this way Exo20:8-11, the 4th commandment. Exo 20:1 Exo 20:8-11 and reminding everyone it remains for the people of God.

Why the rest in the verse prior literally translates into keeping the Sabbath, which remains for the people of God.

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

And just because the disciples/apostles were in the temple preaching does not mean they were observing the sabbath.

Its what Jesus said Mat 21:13 quoting from Isa56:6-7 and that the apostles didn't keep every Sabbath decades after the Cross because it was a commandment of God. This is nonsensical. The apostles followed and imitated Christ Luke4:16 John15:10 just as we are to 1John2:6 they obeyed God's commandments, just as we are to. 1Cor7:19 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

Was not looking for another debate with you as we have been down this road many times. We just believe differently.

We shall see in the end....

Yes, we shall see. I would suggest looking at this because it's the literal translation of the Heb4:9 word for word. We both know we go by that versus possibilities. However, I do believe it has a figurative meaning as well, because no one in heaven is going to be breaking God's rest by sinning and being disobedient to one of His commandments. I can see the appeal of wanting to spiritualize the 4th commandment and do what we want on the holy day of the Lord thy God, but this has never worked out well for anyone before us Eze20:13 Eze22:26 and we are told not to follow the same path of disobedience Heb4:11. The 4th commandment includes both resting in Christ and resting from our works on the seventh day so we can keep the Sabbath day holy, spending time focusing on Christ. Getting our works and labors done on the other 6 days.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.