The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[Carl Emerson]

It says what man esteems

Rom. 14: 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

When did man replace God? When did faith come by man or faith void the law Rom3:31 When can man remove God’s sanctification and blessing, verse please We are told we can’t Num 23:20

The covenant was ratified at the death of Jesus. Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant. Had there been a change to one of God’s commandments Jesus would need to die all over again, but His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10. It’s one reason we need to be careful with Paul writings 2Peter3:16. Paul did not come to destroy God’s times and laws, that is not the spirit that comes from God He warned us about Dan7:25

Departing from the plain reading of Scripture and presenting a cacophony of references doth not Truth make.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

One day in 7? Why not everyday all day long?

Its a matter of not understanding the 4th commandment.

We should worship God 365 24/7 I read my Bible and pray daily, but that doesn't mean we do not keep the 4th commandment.

The 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath day, its a commandment for all days.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God understands we need to pay bills, clean house, go to work, workout, sports activities, gardening, laundry, or whatever other secular activities we do. He only asks for 1 day back and was specific what day that is but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The Sabbath God commanded, not suggested, we cease our work and labors so we can keep the entire day Holy

“Isa 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Its best to let God be God and do what He asks because we trust that He knows what's best for us. If everyone kept Sabbath 24/7 365 the way God asked, we would all starve and be dead. Why He asked just for one day, the seventh day, sanctified just one day, the seventh day, but sadly that's too much for many.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Departing from the plain reading of Scripture and presenting a cacophony of references doth not Truth make.

I guess we shall see if one of God's commandments, that He sanctified and made holy and said Remember Exo20:8-11 that all His commandments are Truth Psa119:151 suddenly God's Truth became untruth. God's Testimony written by the Holy Spirit of Truth is 9 Truths and 1 untruth, the one commandment that points to God as our Creator and Sanctifier and tells us the God we are to worship Exo20:11 Rev 14:7 Eze20:12 , that's the one that is not truth.

I think not, but we have Someone much greater than I to sort this out soon enough. I am not familiar with the verse that God's Truth turns into untruth. I am familiar that God said He does not change and people who claim they know God but do not keep His commandments there is no truth in them 1John2:4 and God never said the 4th commandment is not binding, its under His mercy seat Exo25:21 in heaven Exo31:18 Rev15:5 Rev 11:19 and the Sabbath continues on as He promised for eternity for His saints Isa66:22-23 so obviously Paul never changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 and countermanded God, that's the spirit we are told not to follow.

But we are told sadly

2 Peter 3:16 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[Mercy Shown]

I think you have the wrong idea about God’s Sabbath. The Sabbath is about spending time with God on the day God set aside as holy time for us to do so. It’s not about earning anything, it’s about wanting to spend time with God because we love Him, instead of using that holy and sanctified time doing secular things when God asked us not to Isa58:13 Exo20:8-11. The Sabbath is part of the gospel message and has always been. Heb4:1-10, Rev 14:6-12. Worship the Creator who made the heavens and earth and everything in them Rev14:7 Exo20:11 Resting in Him from sin, obeying Him through faith and love.

It’s no different than spending quality time with our spouse. Would it mean the same if we spent their birthday doing something we wanted to do and would catch up with them on another day that works better for us? I do not think so. God wants to spend time with us, not to punish but to bless Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze 20:12 because we can’t do this ourselves Isa66:17, we need God

My spouse would be more than dissapointed with only one day a week

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

Anyone can say Lord Lord, but those with faith actually do what the Lord asks.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Faith most certainly is active, not passive. Read Hebrews 11

Hmmmm? You ceased on this from my post, "You can't make faith genuine by action." and ignored the rest of what I posted.

Right action is a natural outgrowth of faith in the right thing. What is God's word to you? Is it only the law?

Did you actually think that I meant faith was passive from these words? Are you actually trying to say that our works produce faith with the texts you have posted. Once we set up focus on the law as our righteousness then we open ourselves to the pride of life and actually lose power to understand and obey God. Saying the "I keep the Sabbath." Or I am one of God's remenent people because I keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus. The "I" in us becomes our focus. Every text you pointed out highlights the fact that right actions come from right faith and not the other way around. We must abide in the Vine first and then we will produce much fruit.

They did not do what God asked, I am not sure if we are reading the same Bible. They followed what they thought was right and wrong made up their own rules and laws and laid aside the commandments of God which Jesus condemned. Mat 15:1-14 Mark 7:7-13. Rom 2:21-23 Lets not follow their same path of disobedience. He said those who teach and follow this teaching end up in a ditch.

I think many "commandment keepers" do the same thing but decieve themselves into thinking that thier obedience is not the same as the pharasees. Sabbath is a good example. One can yell to high heavens that they are a "Sabbath Keeper." It is their moniker and what they post about most of the time. Yet under the New Covanent the sabbath has scant mention as being salvific. Further more, as this thead posited, the specifics of how this day is to be kept is almost never mentioned. Each sabbath keeper has set up their own rules and interpretations about the sabbath and most ignore certian parts of the bible's demands in regards to how it is to be kept. When questioned about this they metaphorically cry louder, "I am a Sabbath Keeper." That seems to be the important thing.

Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

Titus 3:5 – “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost.”
→ Conversion, or the turning of the soul toward God, is a work of the Holy Spirit regenerating and renewing the heart. The written law is the lesson book. Without the Holy Spirit we study the law in vain.

No one is going to have a changed heart by worshipping another god. The very first commandment and no one is going to have a changed heart without the sanctification of God, which the 4th commandment is a sign of Eze20:12 and tells us which God to only worship Exo20:11

Do you believe someone is saved if they are in rebellion to God and willfully sinning?

Everyone who has not been saved is spritually dead and cannot know the things of God. Salvation must happen first. We must be born again, not by our will but by God's will.

John 1:12–13 “But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

Did Jesus fufill the law so we can worship other gods? I do not believe that is what He had in mind or breaking the least of these commandments as He plainly stated Mat5:19

You insert this meaning into the posts you read. No where have I seen this thought posted or even hinted at. You need to clear such thoughts from your head before you spend your time fighting a strawman. If you think that any text from a poster is promoting what you are implying, then quote the actual post.

Your posts in this thread tend to support the premise of the thread. You will talk about everything, even imagined things rather than explain the rules of Sabbath Keeping. Just saying, "I am a sabbth keeper." Seems to be enough. But even the pharasee's and Saducees and the conservative jews to day lay claim to that title.

You again are not making sense when you say, ‘trusting rules rather than Christ’ Didn’t Christ give the rules? We keep His rules because we trust Him and said to If we love Him. John14:15 And if we do not keep His rules, it means we do not trust Him or love Him nor do we know Him 1John2:4 because Jesus said keeping them was a condition of our love why He said IF. So basically you are pitting Jesus against what He asks of us if we love Him. It’s nonsensical.

This is because you read it backwards and you assume that he is refering to the Ten Commandments. Jesus is not saying, If you keep the Ten Commandments it will make you love me. He is saying that if you love him then you will be obeying him. Take a plant for instance. I look at it and guess that it is a tomato plant but I am unsure.

So, I say, "If it is a tomatoe plant, it will grow tomatoes." That is because tomatos are produced by the plant and if we are part of the vine, and abide in it, we will also produce much fruit. The bottom line is that Jesus is saying if you love me, obey me because I love you and care about you deeply. This obedience is a day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute obedience of what He communicates to you through the Holy Spirit.

That may or may not include how we spend Saturdays. We have no right to impose our relationship to God on other's. We are called to spread the good news of salvation to the world. When people accept Christ and receive him, that is of the Holy Spirit and so will their relationship with God. No one has a right to tell you not to keep the sabbath nor do they have a right to tell you to keep the sabbath.

Romans 14 should be our rule.

Sadly not everyone does love Him enough to subit to what He asks and thats the issue. People love their sins more than they love Jesus to come to Him and forsake their sins or turn from sin Pro28:13 John3:19–21.

You and I are way to guilty of judging others with statements like this. It is the flesh crying out, "I am better than these people." But are we?

 

[Mercy Shown]

Its a matter of not understanding the 4th commandment.

This must be because your way of understanding it is the only true and correct way. This is a failing of the human heart.

We should worship God 365 24/7 I read my Bible and pray daily, but that doesn't mean we do not keep the 4th commandment.

The 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath day, its a commandment for all days.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God understands we need to pay bills, clean house, go to work, workout, sports activities, gardening, laundry, or whatever other secular activities we do. He only asks for 1 day back and was specific what day that is but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The Sabbath God commanded, not suggested, we cease our work and labors so we can keep the entire day Holy

“Isa 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Its best to let God be God and do what He asks because we trust that He knows what's best for us. If everyone kept Sabbath 24/7 365 the way God asked, we would all starve and be dead. Why He asked just for one day, the seventh day, sanctified just one day, the seventh day, but sadly that's too much for many.

So are you really willing to "Let God be God?" As you concieve of him? Are you really going to advocate for the fourth commandment from the book of Exodus, a time under the old covanent? Are you truly prepared to do all God commands about the sabbath or are you just going to do parts you approve of and ignore the ones you don't.

You give quotes but are they just select ones? Lets really see if you endorse all of God's law or just parts.

Death Penalty (Exodus 31:14–15)
“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

A lot of conjecture so I am going to only address a couple things than I am going to move on.

Romans 14 should be our rule.

No, Paul is misunderstood as is Romans 14 and Paul is not the way, Jesus is John 14:6

This should be our rule
Matthew 22:37–40, Mark 12:29–31

“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment.
Love your neighbor as yourself.” This is the second commandment, and it is like the first.

These are the summary of the Ten Commandments

The first 4 how to love God the last 6 how to love others. What the entire Bible hangs on, loving God, loving others,

If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments the way Jesus taught Mat5:19-30 there would be no more sin in the world. There are no other commandments that do not fall under one of these principals as they are exceedingly broad Psa 119:165. Its the Testimony of God and sadly all I hear man do is try to tear them down for some off reason.

John 14:6
You and I are way to guilty of judging others with statements like this. It is the flesh crying out, "I am better than these people." But are we?

Quoting Scripture of what God people do is not judging. I never accused anyone personally of anything, but of we feel condemned by what God says, perhaps its time to make adjustments.

 

[Mercy Shown]

Departing from the plain reading of Scripture and presenting a cacophony of references doth not Truth make.

I wonder why they never quote this text?

Death Penalty (Exodus 31:14–15)​

“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This must be because your way of understanding it is the only true and correct way. This is a failing of the human heart.

So are you really willing to "Let God be God?" As you concieve of him? Are you really going to advocate for the fourth commandment from the book of Exodus, a time under the old covanent? Are you truly prepared to do all God commands about the sabbath or are you just going to do parts you approve of and ignore the ones you don't.

You give quotes but are they just select ones? Lets really see if you endorse all of God's law or just parts.

Death Penalty (Exodus 31:14–15)
“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

Why do you keep plucking out the 4th commandment, there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.

The fact that the Sabbath came with a death penalty should tell us something today because God does not change. He tells us why its so harmful Eze22:26

Now we are in the New Covenant and the judgment is still the same, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 those who do not turn from their sins Pro28:13 John 3:19-21 and turn to Christ and be in Him, which means not continuing in sin, being converted in Christ walking a new path and believing and trusting in Him for everything including how to live, receive eternal life. Judgement now is the last day John 12:48 2 Cor5:10 we will all be accountable for what we do Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 Mat5:19-30

 

[Mercy Shown]

A lot of conjecture so I am going to only address a couple things than I am going to move on.


No, Paul is misunderstood as is Romans 14 and Paul is not the way, Jesus is John 14:6

Of course because they way you understand it is true and righteous, where as the spiritual rubes around you are cluless. Such is our human hubris and yes, I suffer from that too but I have come to believe it is a sin that God is growing me out of.

This should be our rules
Matthew 22:37–40, Mark 12:29–31


“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment.
Love your neighbor as yourself.” This is the second commandment, and it is like the first.

Has it escaped you that Romans 14 is the second one of the royal law? It is a practical guide on loving your neighbour christian.

These are the summary of the Ten Commandments

The first 4 how to love God the last 6 how to love others.

Really? A Manual on How to Love God? Do you really believe this approach? "How to Love God in Four Easy Steps" Of course if you broke any of these, you could be put to death. So is God saying love me or die.

1 John 4:19
“We love Him, because He first loved us.”

Romans 5:8
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

We need a new heart to lve God and praise be to Him: He gives it to us.

Ezekiel 36:26–27
“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you… and cause you to walk in my statutes.”

If everyone was keeping these commandments the way Jesus taught Mat5:19-30 there would be no more sin in the world. There are no other commandments that do not fall under one of these categories as they are exceedingly broad Psa 119:165. Its the Testimony of God and sadly all I hear man do is try to tear them down

That is what you hear, but that is not what is being said. In a nut shell, what is being said is, "don't depend on them for your rigteousness or salvation." They are the fruit but not the tree.

Quoting Scripture of what God people do is not judging. I never accused anyone personally of anything, but of we feel condemned by what God says, perhaps its time to make adjustments.

You are constantly implying that your interpretations are the correct ones, while others are "sadly" wrong.

Why do you not quote and support what God says here? (Exodus 31:14–15)

“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Of course because they way you understand it is true and righteous, where as the spiritual rubes around you are cluless. Such is our human hubris and yes, I suffer from that too but I have come to believe it is a sin that God is growing me out of.

Has it escaped you that Romans 14 is the second one of the royal law? It is a practical guide on loving your neighbour christian.

Really? A Manual on How to Love God? Do you really believe this approach? "How to Love God in Four Easy Steps" Of course if you broke any of these, you could be put to death. So is God saying love me or die.

1 John 4:19
“We love Him, because He first loved us.”

Romans 5:8
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

We need a new heart to lve God and praise be to Him: He gives it to us.

Ezekiel 36:26–27
“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you… and cause you to walk in my statutes.”

Yes, we have to cooperate with God, not everyone does Rom8:7-8

Why do you not quote and support what God says here? (Exodus 31:14–15)

“You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: everyone that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.”

I did perhaps it was missed

there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.

The fact that the Sabbath came with a death penalty should tell us something today because God does not change. He tells us why its so harmful Eze22:26

Now we are in the New Covenant and the judgment is still the same, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 those who do not turn from their sins Pro28:13 John 3:19-21 and turn to Christ and be in Him, which means not continuing in sin, being converted in Christ walking a new path and believing and trusting in Him for everything including how to live, receive eternal life. Judgement now is the last day John 12:48 2 Cor5:10 we will all be accountable for what we do Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 Mat5:19-30

 

[Mercy Shown]

Why do you keep plucking out the 4th commandment, there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.

Because we are discussing the Sabbath. Check out your screen name. So you are willing to jettison Exodus 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. Because it was issued under a theocracy and yet declare Exodus 20:1-17, also issued under the same theocracy, as the binding upon God's people. How can you reconcle this.

The fact that the Sabbath came with a death penalty should tell us something today because God does not change. He tells us why its so harmful Eze22:26

Now we are in the New Covenant and the judgment is still the same, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 those who do not turn from their sins Pro28:13 John 3:19-21 and turn to Christ and be in Him, which means not continuing in sin, being converted in Christ walking a new path and believing and trusting in Him for everything including how to live, receive eternal life. Judgement now is the last day John 12:48 2 Cor5:10 we will all be accountable for what we do Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 Mat5:19-30

So you believe that God say love and obey me or I will kill you forever! That is the essence of what you are posting. I believe that was also the essence of the serpant's accusations in the garden.

 

[Mercy Shown]

Yes, we have to cooperate with God, not everyone does Rom8:7-8

I did perhaps it was missed

there is a death penalty for all of God's commandments. The wages of sin is death. They stoned adulterous and murderers in the OT as well under a theocracy where judgment came as God saw fit.

The fact that the Sabbath came with a death penalty should tell us something today because God does not change. He tells us why its so harmful Eze22:26

Now we are in the New Covenant and the judgment is still the same, the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 those who do not turn from their sins Pro28:13 John 3:19-21 and turn to Christ and be in Him, which means not continuing in sin, being converted in Christ walking a new path and believing and trusting in Him for everything including how to live, receive eternal life. Judgement now is the last day John 12:48 2 Cor5:10 we will all be accountable for what we do Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Rev 22:14-15 Rev 11:18-19 Mat5:19-30

I think things are becoming a bit clearer. In your view God says, "love me or die." I guess if we did that with our own kids, we might have obedient children but I am not sure they would love us. It is a rather harsh view of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Because we are discussing the Sabbath. Check out your screen name. So you are willing to jettison Exodus 35:2 Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. Because it was issued under a theocracy and yet declare Exodus 20:1-17, also issued under the same theocracy, as the binding upon God's people. How can you reconcle this.

We are not in a theocracy, judgement is in the last day, we all have to stand before Jesus one day soon John 14:28 2 Cor5:10 Ecc12:13-14

So you believe that God say love and obey me or I will kill you forever! That is the essence of what you are posting. I believe that was also the essence of the serpant's accusations in the garden.

Lets address the accusation in the garden because this is what was said:

God said
Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The devil said the opposite that we can disobey God and live , the same lie he continues to deceive millions if not billions

Gen 3:4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

God is love, its why I believe His judgement is one of love. Jesus died for the sins of the entire world that's how much He loves us. His wish is that no one perish but has everlasting life. However God who is love is not going to force someone to obey Him, it has to come from our heart. He never lets go of us, we let go of Him when we choose sin over abiding in Him. Sin is so deceitful and harmful, the only way to remove it is to remove all sin and sinners once and for all. He desires each one of us to come to Him and submit to His will, not because He is a tyrant, because He knows what's best for us. Many instead of going to Jesus seeking His help in overcoming like their sins more than they love Jesus to helps us overcome. He doesn't even make us obey on our own John14:15-18 but we have to cooperate with Him.

John 3:6 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Why the Ten Commandments is so important, they show us our sins and our true condition so we can seek His help in cleansing us, which means repenting, turning from sin, walking in a new direction Rom 6:1-4

John 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

God's Judgement is one of love because He is not going to make one live in eternity doing something they were so against in this world, including keeping the Sabbath for worship, which continues forever thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23 God is not going to let people profane Him in the New Heaven and New Earth Eze22:26. If it was okay to do so, Lucifer and his angels would have not been kicked out.

Sin destroyed this world. The only way to get rid of it is to destroy the source and those who follow that source over following God. 1John3:8 God wants us to come to Him, but many do in name Luke6:46, not actions because they really do not want to change their ways, that's why Jesus will have to sort out the wheat from the tares at His return, because one person who refuses to let go of their sins impacts the entire flock and we are right back where we started. Jesus promised that's not going to happen, so in His longsuffering He is giving man time to make decisions who we are going to serve, which is who we obey Rom6:16. Soon though when everyone has made their choices and there is no more opportunity to sway them one way or the other, our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11 and Jesus will restore every everything back to His perfect plan for His faithful Rev22:14

 

[JulieB67]

One day in 7? Why not everyday all day long?

Yes, this is the thing that always baffles me. We are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul. That would definitely be 24/7 (not just one day of the week) And of course in this day and age especially all fall short of this from time to time because other matters fill the mind, etc. So who hasn't broken this commandment as well as love our neighbors as our selves from time to time. We are to strive for those but no one will ever be perfect in the flesh. Thankfully God is the heart knower.

And people always confuse the fact that the Sabbath was made for man -man's rest. And today we are to be in Christ's rest 24/7. That's where our abode is.

And I find these debates usually fall to the subject of what day should one go to church and worship. It's as you stated in this thread I think most focus on that and not what the Sabbath really entailed back then.

The Sabbath was set as example of rest after work. And Christ did the work on the cross (fulfilling the law) and that's where we find our rest. It's not about some day of the week at this point. But some people see Hebrews 4 differently. But there's a clear difference between sabbaton (the weekly repose) and sabbatismos- and that's the one that remains.

 

[Jerry N.]

I have been following this discussion, but many urgent things are going on that limit my posting. The responses to Sabbathblessings have not been in Christian love. God gave the 10 Commandments, so we can assume that they are good. They do convict us of sin, but they are also good for humanity. This is even evident from civil law supporting most of them even in non-Christian and non-Jewish religions and countries. However, the fourth commandment is older than the rest and not actually Hebrew, since the Hebrews didn’t exist when it was first given. Nobody would argue that murder is justified because we are not under the law. So arguing that keeping the Sabbath is not justified for the same reason is not logical. The early church essentially moved the Sabbath to Sunday, and those who are members of congregations that agree have submitted to the authority of those churches. It is their choice, and God will judge as He wills. Since they are not actually trying to break the fourth commandment in actions and keep the Lord’s Day holy, the responsibility seems to be on those in authority in the churches rather than individuals. Then we have Paul’s writings that would indicate that Gentiles are not required to keep the Jewish law. However, keeping the Jewish law while understanding that Christ fulfilled the law and that we live by faith through love does not mean that somebody shouldn’t keep the law if they see it as an expression of love toward God. I don’t cheat on my wife because I’m under the law, but I don’t do it because I love God and my wife and believe God gave good instruction. Nobody would tell me that it is okay to cheat on my wife because I’m not under the law. Maybe, some people think that people who keep the Sabbath are weak, and maybe they are, but Paul made it clear how to deal with it in Romans 14. Choosing to keep the law is far from justification. I get no points for not having killed anybody. I get no points for keeping the Sabbath, except that I find it is good for my closeness to God. My cane helps me walk, but I wouldn’t throw it away because it shows my weakness.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, this is the thing that always baffles me. We are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul.

Can you please share with me, if we are to love God with all heart, mind and soul which of these commandments of these are we free to break that God said if we love Him, we would keep them

God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Without the 4th commandment we would have no idea what God to worship in the 1st commandment. No wonder why they are all interconnected breaking one we break them all James2:11 There are many gods of this world, but only one that has the power to create heaven and earth and everything in them Exo20:11, the power to Sanctify man Eze 20:12 both connected to the Sabbath. This is the God we are to worship Rev 14:7 Eze20:20

That would definitely be 24/7 (not just one day of the week)

The 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath day, its the commandment on how God's people are to keep all days.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God understands we need to pay bills, clean house, go to work, workout, sports activities, gardening, laundry, or whatever other secular activities we do. He only asks for 1 day back and was specific what day that is but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

The Sabbath God commanded, not suggested, we cease our work and labors so we can keep the entire day Holy

“Isa 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

While I pray every day and read His word every day, if everyone kept the Sabbath the way God asked we would all starve and die. Why He gives us 6 days to get our works and labors done, but only asks for one day back, and He was very specific just like in the garden, it was not eat from any tree they choose, but from one tree. Lets let God be God and not let our own human reasoning turn us away from what God asks, trust what He is asking because He knows what's best for us.

And people always confuse the fact that the Sabbath was made for man -man's rest. And today we are to be in Christ's rest 24/7. That's where our abode is.

So ignore what Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath said plainly? Mar2:27 Can you explain how we can be in Christs rest when we are sinning and breaking one or any of God's commandments?

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest somehow relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this Mat11:28 and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

This is the rest God gives

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

So no one who is in God's rest 24/7 is breaking any of the commandments including the 4th commandment. That's is unrest. We see this also in Rev 14:11-12

And I find these debates usually fall to the subject of what day should one go to church and worship. It's as you stated in this thread I think most focus on that and not what the Sabbath really entailed back then.

God said the Sabbath was a holy convocation Lev 23:3 how Jesus and the apostles kept it, how it will be kept in the New Heaven and New Earth. Is the God of the Universe wrong and man of the world, right?

The Sabbath was set as example of rest after work.

Thats not what the Sabbath commandment says Exo20:8-11

And Christ did the work on the cross (fulfilling the law) and that's where we find our rest.

So we can now worship other gods and break the rest of God's commandments, is that what Jesus did at the cross? Its not what He says according to Him Mat5:17-30

It's not about some day of the week at this point.

Really, so the Testimony of God is no longer valid, according to.....? Sounds like what we are warned against Isa 8:20

But some people see Hebrews 4 differently. But there's a clear difference between sabbaton (the weekly repose) and sabbatismos- and that's the one that remains.

Sabbatan means the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh day according to God, if that counts Exo20:10 sabbatismos means keeping the Sabbath why it's from the same root, but slightly different meaning.

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Its the literal translation of this word. I recently read a post of yours where you were telling someone they shouldn't take the figurative meaning or secondary meaning over the primary, and I thought to myself, why don't you practice what you tell others. This is literally what Heb4:9 means. The literal word for word translation I posted in the next post, it wasn't saving here for some reason. Take a look and see for yourself.

The Sabbath is about both resting in Christ and resting from our works and labors on the seventh day. Why those who entered His rest also, and this word means in addition to, so there are doing something in addition....and it tells us plainly.

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

They are also resting from their works as God did from His, on the seventh day Heb4:4 why this verse is pointing back to the Sabbath commandment "He who spoke in a certain way of the seventh day in this way" Exo 20:1 Exo 20:8-11 why Sabbath-keeping remains, not changed for God's people because God's people keep God's commandments His version Exo 31:18 through faith and love and this is the love and faith that reconciles us Exo 20:6 John14:15 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14. Why God is calling us back to worship our Creator Rev14:7 Exo20:11. Remember what so many have forgotten.

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[Bob S]

I guess we will find out soon enough if the God of Love could personally write and unloving law that is His Testimony that He keeps in the Most Holy of His Temple, who He tells us who He shows mercy to Exo20:6 even when the death penalty is deserved.

To me, it shows a misunderstanding of the character of God which His law is a reflection of. Psa19:7 Rom7:12

When Moses was with God and the Israelites were performing debauchery, was it love that God had for them when He told Moses He was going to destroy them?

God had a reason why He formulated the Ten Commandments about duty, and it is not for us to try to change what they meant. They certainly were not portraying love.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When Moses was with God and the Israelites were performing debauchery, was it love that God had for them when He told Moses He was going to destroy them?

God had a reason why He formulated the Ten Commandments about duty, and it is not for us to try to change what they meant. They certainly were not portraying love.

Yes, because sin is a deadly disease and if its not exterminated, its going to keep spreading. God's judgments are always based in love, even if we do not understand them.

The Ten Commandments started way before Moses according to God. Exo20:11

 

[Bob S]

There is another command from God to the Israelites in the fourth commandment. He wrote that they were to labor six days. That part seems to have been eliminated or is not important