The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[Carl Emerson]

Brother, you are reading what you want into this passage they are debating opinions of man, not if they should or should not obey God’s commandments that Jesus ratified by His blood at the Cross.

Ratified is the wrong word...

not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

 

[Jerry N.]

“You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭35‬:‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 35:3 You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”

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I don’t understand what part of not to have a fire in ANY dwelling on the Sabbath day do you not understand.


“See, the Lord has given you the Sabbath; for that reason He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain, everyone, in his place; no one is to leave his place on the seventh day.””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16‬:‭29‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 16:29 See, the LORD has given you the Sabbath; for that reason He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain, everyone, in his place; no one is to leave his place on the seventh day.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020)

See, the LORD has given you the Sabbath; for that reason He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain, everyone, in his place; no one is to leave his place on the seventh day.”

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Not to leave their place precludes them from going for a walk.

Christians are not under the law so you don’t have to follow the Jewish law. But it does say what it says.

Based on Acts 1:12, a Sabbath journey is about 0.57 miles or 0.91 kilometers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Incorrect - it is talking about faith which is given to persons in different measures.

Ok, so just ignore but not to have quarrels over opinions

I am not familiar with the concept in the Bible that faith starts deleting the commandment of God. This same author said faith does not void the law, it does the opposite, it establishes the law Rom3:31

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and this will be sorted out soon enough.

Be well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ratified is the wrong word...

Are you claiming Jesus did not ratify His covenant at His Cross? Do you have a verse please? I can show you otherwise.

not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

This is a good example of needing to be careful with Paul’s writings.

The Greek word end here means goal. Not the law ended.

τέλος télos, tel'-os; from a primary τέλλω téllō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness is what it means. And I would consider the warning Paul is making of establishing our own righteousness (right and wrong doing) over God’s Psa119:172 Isa 56:1-2 which is everlasting Psa119:142

Paul never taught lawlessness, he is just hard to understand and sadly people use isolated verses out of context against the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and even what Paul taught 1Cor7:19 and kept. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

“Keeping the Law” means different things to different people. Some think it refers only to the Ten Commandments, while others believe it includes the immediate commands of the Holy Spirit and is therefore much broader than the Ten Commandments. But the fact remains that for the born-again believer, sin is no longer primarily about the Law—it is about a Person: Jesus Christ.

Scripture plainly teaches that believers in Christ are no longer under the Law as a covenant or as a means of righteousness before God. Paul states directly, “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace” (Romans 6:14), and again, “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law” (Galatians 5:18). To be “under the Law” is to be under its condemnation and jurisdiction as the system that determines one’s standing before God. That entire system has been replaced.

The Law was given for a temporary purpose—to point forward to Christ. Paul explains, “The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ… but after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor” (Galatians 3:24–25). Christ is the fulfillment and goal of the Law, for “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Romans 10:4). Once the promised Savior arrived, the tutor’s role was complete.

In our union with Christ, believers have died to the Law’s authority. “You also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ… that you may be married to another” (Romans 7:4). A death changes legal jurisdiction—just as the law of marriage no longer governs a widow, so the Law of Moses no longer governs those joined to Christ by faith.

Because of this, righteousness no longer comes through law-keeping but through Jesus Christ alone. Paul insists that we “are not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ” (Galatians 2:16), and warns that if righteousness were still attainable through the Law, “then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:21). The cross nullifies any attempt to earn acceptance before God through commandments.

This transition from Law to Christ reflects the major shift in redemptive history—the new covenant has replaced the old. Hebrews 8:13 says that by establishing a “new covenant,” Christ has made the first “obsolete.” Hebrews 10:9 adds, “He takes away the first that He may establish the second.” The covenantal system in which the Law operated has been decisively superseded by the work and authority of Christ.

Therefore, Christians do not live lawlessly—we live under a new and better authority: the law of Christ, empowered by the Holy Spirit. “The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2). As we bear one another’s burdens, we “fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2). The Spirit writes God’s moral will on our hearts and empowers what the old covenant could only demand externally.

Sin still exists, because at its root sin is rebellion against God’s authority. But Jesus Christ takes us beyond mere law-keeping into true holiness—holiness not measured by the Law but by God Himself. He leads us not into a life obsessed with rules, but into a life transformed by His presence, reflecting His character, and empowered by His grace.


One can't break what they are no longer under. What we are under is greater than the law. Looking at the law all the time means we are not looking at Christ the real author and finisher of our faith.

God is not a bean counter that holds us up to His standard. God is our good father. If you have kids, do you put yur standard above them? He is not one who says love me or else I will kill you, He is a father calling the spiritually dead back to life. If they refuse He will not force them.

Christ came to reveal the Father to us, something the law can only dimmly filicker at. We have the law giver now instead of the law.

It does not address some of our modern life styles. For instance, do you purchase electricity on the sabbath? If use any type of electricity, then you do. Do you run your furnace in the winter at your house? You are violating the 4th commandment if you do. We could go on but as you can see it is not as easy as one would think unless they thought that they had it right and everyne elsehad it wrong.

Do you have picture or sculptures in your house. That is violating the 2 command. You might say that that is way too petty--well there you go interpreting how you're going to keep the law. Thou shall not kill. What about mice, or mosquitoes? If you say those are Ok to kill, then you have interpreted the law in a way that makes sense to you.

And you think that this is not possible even in this day in age. Examine your own feelings. Do you feel more knowledgeable, more obedient, mor righteous than a person who keeps Sunday? If you don't, if you actually feel shoulder to shoulder with your fellow sunday keeping christians, then why spend time critiquing their law keeping?

The pharasees felt that they were just as good if not better at keeping the law than you or I. So, what is the difference? What makes your sabbath keeping superior to theirs?

You can't help it. No human can. We all are prone to think that we have it right and those who see it differently have it wrong. But the bible says that we each fall or rise to our owmn master.

Even then it is still like filthy rags. What we need is Christ's righteousness which takes us beyond the mere keeping of the Ten Commandments to fellowship With Christ as our elder brother and God Almaighty as our Loving Father.

We need to let the Bible define things and not take a phrase and apply it to our own definitions. Like what God defined as His commandments, I would think that should count for something, or what is God’s righteousness (right and wrong doing). What under the law means, because you are using it a way thats contrary to what the Bible says. Too many things do not make sense, like we have the law giver, implying so we can ignore what the law giver asks of us, if we love Him. Or we can apply God’s written and spoken commandments HisTestimony to something different than what He said in that commandment. What’s the point of having what God deems as right or wrong (His righteousness Psa119:172 which is everlasting Psa119:142 if we are going to ignore it and replace it with our own righteousness (what we feel is right or wrong). These are all just nonsensical arguements.

I wish I could go down this journey with you and show you these things through the Bible, but my guess is I would be doing so in vain and I already spend too much time on this forum. So I am going to move on . All will get sorted out when Jesus comes. Be well.