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So God made men sinners because it’s what He willed for them to be? He created man to be rebellious and disobedient because that what He wanted them to be?
No, that's not true. The truth is, man inherited his sin nature from Adam.

Again I tell you, God is not the author of sin. You were born a rebellious sinner, just as the rest of mankind is. Satan gained legal dominion over mankind, after we disobeyed God and obeyed Satan instead. Just before you say "no I didn't", yes you did, just as the rest of mankind did.

We are all like Lucifer and the 1/3 of Angels, who rebelled against God. Man was made in Gods Image, but that image was perverted after we rebelled against God and sinned. (for all have sinned) all means all, that includes you and the pope of Rome.

If God created us as rebellious sinners, then He is a liar, because we see Him saying on the sixth day after He created man in Genesis 1:31 "it was very good".

Genesis 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now let us consider our state after we sinned, look at how we are described in Romans 3

Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”

I'm not sure where you got the notion that God created men to be sinners, but I can assure you that no such doctrine is taught in Reformed theology or Calvinism
 
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Woah back up a verse brother. You quoted verse 18 but neglected to read verse 17 carefully.

Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also AFTER BELIEVING in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

God gave them the gift AFTER BELIEVING, not before. That’s what the passage actually says.

And in Acts 5:31 yes Jesus did grant repentance to Israel. Did they repent? Some of them did but most of them didn’t since it was the majority of Israel that crucified Him.

2 Timothy 2:25 Paul is telling Timothy to be kind and patient towards the unrepentant because God might lead them to repentance and they might come to their senses. It for say that they can’t repent it just says that God might grant them repentance which means that He might cause something to happen in their life that would lead them to repentance. It doesn’t say that they can’t repent unless God grants them the ability to. As I’ve already pointed out to you in Romans 2:4-5 God is in fact leading those people to repentance and yet they are still refusing to cooperate as did Israel for 1500 years.

And in response to John 6:65 I’ve already addressed this verse along with John 6:44 by demonstrating that this is how man was drawn to Christ during His ministry and John 12:32 describes how man is drawn to Christ after His crucifixion and so far you still haven’t addressed this passage.
My Bible doesn't support your version of the gospel, I'm not sure what your religious denominations teaches about salvation, because you haven't revealed it yet.

Now you're claiming that God doesn't give anyone the gift of repentance, until after they believe.

It would be very helpful if you could reveal what your denominations prescription or formular is for salvation. If I visited your Church and asked you minister, "what must I do to be saved". Would he suggest that my salvation is dependant on meeting a long list of requirements as set out by your denominations Hierarchy.

I really don't have a clue how people are saved in your denomination, I'm getting mixed messages from your replies.

Could you please revel who or what "Israel" is in your denomination. My Church taught me that I am the Israel of God, meaning that Gods "Elect" are the Israel of God. So it seems that your Israel and mine are completely different entities. If your Israel is National Israel, then it doesn't make any Biblical sense.
I don't have to time to do a thorough study with you, because there's a lot to learn. But you can do a web search to find all the different and opposing views held by the 47,000 different Christians Denominations.

So you're suggesting that God set out to lead many to repentance and failed miserably. Well I must disagree with you there, because the God of the Bible never fails in anything He sets out to do. So your theology is very different to the one I find in the Bible.

Every single one of Gods Elect was and in the exact same way, from Abraham to Paul. Every one of us was saved by grace, through the gift of faith in the Lord Jesus. Abraham placed his trust in Jesus and he was a born again Christian, the only difference between him and myself is he looked forward to the coming Messiah and I look back to His work on the cross. But we are both saved by the same cross so we are brothers in Christ.

Every time you attempt to compartmentalize Gods work of salvation, into what you perceive the order should be, it looks like an incoherent mess to me. God works in mysterious ways, you not going to pigeon hole His mysterious ways.
 
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You proved it where? Please do quote the post where you proved that.
I'm not going to scroll back in time to find the particular reply. I'll just quote the same verse of scripture

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved
through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Can you see "through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God". Yes I know this in very unconfutable for you, but it is Gods Word not mine. Faith is a gift, you don't get to conjure it up through some religious ritual.
 
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Answer my questions. Was Noah commanded to build an ark or not? Was Moses commanded to go to Pharaoh or not? Was Jonah commanded to go to Nineveh or not? Answer the question.
No, No, No, none of them were commands to earn their salvation. That's flat out wrong, you won't find anything in the bible to support your opinion on this.

All of those men were already saved at that time, so it's ridiculous to suggest that their salvation was was dependant on keeping the commands. You won't find a single verse in the Bible to support your opinion that saved people can lose their salvation for disobedience.

I will join your religion immediately if you find a hint of anything to support such an opinion in the bible.
 
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But he’s NOT telling them that they are incapable of being spiritually appraised. And you keep refusing to answer the question, were they spiritually appraised and were they believers? Why won’t you answer the question?
I already answered your question, but as usual I need to repeat my answer many time before the penny7 drops for you. I made it clear that nobody apart from God and the saved person know for sure. The rest of the Church members can't know for sure.
According to your theory, Judas Iscariot was a genuine believer. But we found out that he is actually a Devil. So, why should I blindly believe that every professing Christian is a genuine born again believer.
 
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You started off by replying with the word “no”. Are you saying that God did not will or desire for man to be born in a fallen state of total depravity?
Now you're trying to get into the mind of God, good luck with that. Anyone who dares to venture there will suffer or even die, long before they get near to finding their answer.
So, I dare not temp God. As that will certainly arouse His wrath. Lucifer also challenged Gods authority, and look at him now.
 
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No, that's not true. The truth is, man inherited his sin nature from Adam.

Again I tell you, God is not the author of sin. You were born a rebellious sinner, just as the rest of mankind is. Satan gained legal dominion over mankind, after we disobeyed God and obeyed Satan instead. Just before you say "no I didn't", yes you did, just as the rest of mankind did.

We are all like Lucifer and the 1/3 of Angels, who rebelled against God. Man was made in Gods Image, but that image was perverted after we rebelled against God and sinned. (for all have sinned) all means all, that includes you and the pope of Rome.

If God created us as rebellious sinners, then He is a liar, because we see Him saying on the sixth day after He created man in Genesis 1:31 "it was very good".

Genesis 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now let us consider our state after we sinned, look at how we are described in Romans 3

Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”

I'm not sure where you got the notion that God created men to be sinners, but I can assure you that no such doctrine is taught in Reformed theology or Calvinism
Are you saying that this was according to God’s will that man became corrupted or against His will?
 
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No, that's not true. The truth is, man inherited his sin nature from Adam.

Again I tell you, God is not the author of sin. You were born a rebellious sinner, just as the rest of mankind is. Satan gained legal dominion over mankind, after we disobeyed God and obeyed Satan instead. Just before you say "no I didn't", yes you did, just as the rest of mankind did.

We are all like Lucifer and the 1/3 of Angels, who rebelled against God. Man was made in Gods Image, but that image was perverted after we rebelled against God and sinned. (for all have sinned) all means all, that includes you and the pope of Rome.

If God created us as rebellious sinners, then He is a liar, because we see Him saying on the sixth day after He created man in Genesis 1:31 "it was very good".

Genesis 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Now let us consider our state after we sinned, look at how we are described in Romans 3

Romans 3:10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”

I'm not sure where you got the notion that God created men to be sinners, but I can assure you that no such doctrine is taught in Reformed theology or Calvinism
I asked this question before, do you know where Romans 3:10-12 comes from?
 
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My Bible doesn't support your version of the gospel, I'm not sure what your religious denominations teaches about salvation, because you haven't revealed it yet.

Now you're claiming that God doesn't give anyone the gift of repentance, until after they believe.

It would be very helpful if you could reveal what your denominations prescription or formular is for salvation. If I visited your Church and asked you minister, "what must I do to be saved". Would he suggest that my salvation is dependant on meeting a long list of requirements as set out by your denominations Hierarchy.

I really don't have a clue how people are saved in your denomination, I'm getting mixed messages from your replies.

Could you please revel who or what "Israel" is in your denomination. My Church taught me that I am the Israel of God, meaning that Gods "Elect" are the Israel of God. So it seems that your Israel and mine are completely different entities. If your Israel is National Israel, then it doesn't make any Biblical sense.
I don't have to time to do a thorough study with you, because there's a lot to learn. But you can do a web search to find all the different and opposing views held by the 47,000 different Christians Denominations.

So you're suggesting that God set out to lead many to repentance and failed miserably. Well I must disagree with you there, because the God of the Bible never fails in anything He sets out to do. So your theology is very different to the one I find in the Bible.

Every single one of Gods Elect was and in the exact same way, from Abraham to Paul. Every one of us was saved by grace, through the gift of faith in the Lord Jesus. Abraham placed his trust in Jesus and he was a born again Christian, the only difference between him and myself is he looked forward to the coming Messiah and I look back to His work on the cross. But we are both saved by the same cross so we are brothers in Christ.

Every time you attempt to compartmentalize Gods work of salvation, into what you perceive the order should be, it looks like an incoherent mess to me. God works in mysterious ways, you not going to pigeon hole His mysterious ways.
The definition of Israel changes depending on how it’s being used in the passage. It can be used to refer to the elect sometimes, it can also refer to the nation as a whole.
 
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No, No, No, none of them were commands to earn their salvation. That's flat out wrong, you won't find anything in the bible to support your opinion on this.

All of those men were already saved at that time, so it's ridiculous to suggest that their salvation was was dependant on keeping the commands. You won't find a single verse in the Bible to support your opinion that saved people can lose their salvation for disobedience.

I will join your religion immediately if you find a hint of anything to support such an opinion in the bible.
We’re not talking about commands to earn salvation we’re talking about whether God has to specifically say “I command you” in order for something to be considered to be a commandment of God. You’re just moving the goal post now because you’re incapable of admitting your mistakes.
 
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The "Justice" in man becoming justified is not a direct or indirect result of turning to God in faith. It is 100% the result of being elected onto salvation, before the world was created.
How can a dead man conjure up saving faith, I assume you believe what God said about the sate of everyone being born dead in sin.
He can't-faith is a gift from God. But a lost man can decide if he'll let himself be found, a sick man can refuse the cure. He may prefer to carry on the family tradition of autonomy from God, of pride and preference of self over Him. Either way "justice" or righteousness for man consists fully in his existing in a state of union with Him, regardless of how we believe he gets there.

"Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

“Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:4-5
The only ones who abide in Christ and persevere to the end are the elect, because we are indwelt by he Holy Spirit and He is the One who keeps us abiding and persevering. If we had any say in the matter, then we would all end up in hell. Salvation is of the Lord, it is not of you or your ability to save yourself and remain saved.
We know the elect will be those who persevere to the end, and we know that grace is essential in that coming to pass, but to say that we know who those "we" are with perfect certainty is to avoid the passages that affirm that one can freely resist and/or turn away. A sinner is already willfully resisting grace-and all believers sin. Which will we really choose in the end: good, or evil? Our actions will bear witness to our choices, to our heart's orientation, to our love to put it best.
 
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I already answered your question, but as usual I need to repeat my answer many time before the penny7 drops for you. I made it clear that nobody apart from God and the saved person know for sure. The rest of the Church members can't know for sure.
According to your theory, Judas Iscariot was a genuine believer. But we found out that he is actually a Devil. So, why should I blindly believe that every professing Christian is a genuine born again believer.
No what I said has nothing to do with Judas. Calvin’s doctrine of total depravity comes from gnostic heresy that was literally refuted by Iranaeus in 170AD in his writing Adversus Haereses which was literally written to refute Gnosticism.

1. Man has received the knowledge of good and evil. It is good to obey God, and to believe in Him, and to keep His commandment, and this is the life of man; as not to obey God is evil, and this is his death. Since God, therefore, gave [to man] such mental power (magnanimitatem) man knew both the good of obedience and the evil of disobedience, that the eye of the mind, receiving experience of both, may with judgment make choice of the better things; and that he may never become indolent or neglectful of God's command; and learning by experience that it is an evil thing which deprives him of life, that is, disobedience to God, may never attempt it at all, but that, knowing that what preserves his life, namely, obedience to God, is good, he may diligently keep it with all earnestness. Wherefore he has also had a twofold experience, possessing knowledge of both kinds, that with discipline he may make choice of the better things. But how, if he had no knowledge of the contrary, could he have had instruction in that which is good? For there is thus a surer and an undoubted comprehension of matters submitted to us than the mere surmise arising from an opinion regarding them. For just as the tongue receives experience of sweet and bitter by means of tasting, and the eye discriminates between black and white by means of vision, and the ear recognises the distinctions of sounds by hearing; so also does the mind, receiving through the experience of both the knowledgeof what is good, become more tenacious of its preservation, by acting in obedience to God: in the first place, casting away, by means of repentance, disobedience, as being something disagreeable and nauseous; and afterwards coming to understand what it really is, that it is contrary to goodness and sweetness, so that the mind may never even attempt to taste disobedience to God. But if any one do shun the knowledge of both these kinds of things, and the twofold perception of knowledge, he unawares divests himself of the character of a human being.



2. How, then, shall he be a God, who has not as yet been made a man? Or how can he be perfect who was but lately created? How, again, can he be immortal, who in his mortal nature did not obey his Maker? For it must be that you, at the outset, should hold the rank of a man, and then afterwards partake of the glory of God. For you did not make God, but God you. If, then, you are God's workmanship, await the hand of your Maker which creates everything in due time; in due time as far as you are concerned, whose creation is being carried out. Offer to Him your heart in a soft and tractable state, and preserve the form in which the Creator has fashioned you, having moisture in yourself, lest, by becoming hardened, you lose the impressions of His fingers. But by preserving the framework you shall ascend to that which is perfect, for the moist clay which is in you is hidden [there] by the workmanship of God. His hand fashioned your substance; He will cover you over [too] within and without with pure gold and silver, and He will adorn you to such a degree, that even the King Himself shall have pleasure in your beauty. But if you, being obstinately hardened, reject the operation of His skill, and show yourself ungrateful towards Him, because you were created a [mere] man, by becoming thus ungrateful to God, you have at once lost both His workmanship and life. For creation is an attribute of the goodness of God but to be created is that of human nature. If then, you shall deliver up to Him what is yours, that is, faith towards Him and subjection, you shall receive His handiwork, and shall be a perfect work of God.



3. If, however, you will not believe in Him, and will flee from His hands, the cause of imperfection shall be in you who did not obey, but not in Him who called [you]. For He commissioned [messengers] to call people to the marriage, but they who did not obeyHim deprived themselves of the royal supper. Matthew 22:3, etc. The skill of God, therefore, is not defective, for He has power of the stones to raise up children to Abraham; Matthew 3:9but the man who does not obtain it is the causeto himself of his own imperfection. Nor, [in like manner], does the light fail because of those who have blinded themselves; but while it remains the same as ever, those who are [thus] blinded are involved in darkness through their own fault. The light does never enslave any one by necessity; nor, again, does God exercise compulsion upon any one unwilling to accept the exercise of His skill. Those persons, therefore, who have apostatized from the light given by the Father, and transgressed the law of liberty, have done so through their own fault, since they have been created free agents, and possessed of power over themselves.



4. But God, foreknowing all things, prepared fit habitations for both, kindly conferring that light which they desire on those who seek after the light of incorruption, and resort to it; but for the despisers and mockers who avoid and turn themselves away from this light, and who do, as it were, blind themselves, He has prepared darkness suitable to persons who oppose the light, and He has inflicted an appropriate punishment upon those who try to avoid being subject to Him. Submission to God is eternal rest, so that they who shun the light have a place worthy of their flight; and those who fly from eternal rest, have a habitation in accordance with their fleeing. Now, since all good things are with God, they who by their own determination fly from God, do defraud themselves of all good things; and having been [thus] defrauded of all good things with respect to God, they shall consequently fall under the just judgment of God. For those persons who shun rest shall justly incur punishment, and those who avoid the light shall justly dwell in darkness. For as in the case of this temporal light, those who shun it do deliver themselves over to darkness, so that they do themselves become the cause to themselves that they are destitute of light, and do inhabit darkness; and, as I have already observed, the light is not the cause of such an [unhappy] condition of existence to them; so those who fly from the eternal light of God, which contains in itself all good things, are themselves the cause to themselves of their inhabiting eternal darkness, destitute of all good things, having become to themselves the cause of [their consignment to] an abode of that nature.

St Iranaeus 170AD Adversus Haereses Book 4 Chapter 39
 
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Now you're trying to get into the mind of God, good luck with that. Anyone who dares to venture there will suffer or even die, long before they get near to finding their answer.
So, I dare not temp God. As that will certainly arouse His wrath. Lucifer also challenged Gods authority, and look at him now.
I don’t need to speculate about the answer to that question because scripture actually tells us that God does not desire for man to sin.

“Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Surely God would not grieve in His heart over something that He Himself dictated to happen. So is man thwarting God’s plan or does God’s plan include man acting on his own free will?
 
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The "Justice" in man becoming justified is not a direct or indirect result of turning to God in faith. It is 100% the result of being elected onto salvation, before the world was created.
How can a dead man conjure up saving faith, I assume you believe what God said about the sate of everyone being born dead in sin.

I would agree with you, if you could find a single verse in the bible, to support your theory.

The only ones who abide in Christ and persevere to the end are the elect, because we are indwelt by he Holy Spirit and He is the One who keeps us abiding and persevering. If we had any say in the matter, then we would all end up in hell. Salvation is of the Lord, it is not of you or your ability to save yourself and remain saved.
In order for someone to save their self they would have to be able to atone for their sins which they can’t. So the statement about “our ability to save ourself” is just a false accusation since no one here is claiming to be saved apart from Christ’s atonement.
 
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Are you saying that this was according to God’s will that man became corrupted or against His will?
The answer is beyond your ability to comprehend. The Bible tells us that God is not the Author of sin, yet at the same time, nothing can happen apart from His will.

God is a mystery, so it's impossible for man to know His ways or why He does what He does or how He does them. It's very dangerous to put God on trial and judge Him according to the standards of wicked men. So best you don't go there and stay at your post, which is to simple trust and obey and never question anything he does.
 
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I asked this question before, do you know where Romans 3:10-12 comes from?
What point are you trying to make here. Are you playing a Bible Trivia game, if so I'd guess there are Old Testament scriptures which describe mankind's state, yes that includes you and the Pope of Rome as well.

Every single person after Adam was born dead in sin, we all inherited our sin nature from our parents Adam and Eve. I don't know why you reject this truth which God Himself confirmed many times. If you reject this truth then you reject God Himself.

And if you're going to demand I answer your question, it sounds like Psalms 14:1-3 and Isaiah 59:7-8 I'm not going to look them up now but your welcome to correct me if necessary.
 
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The answer is beyond your ability to comprehend. The Bible tells us that God is not the Author of sin, yet at the same time, nothing can happen apart from His will.

God is a mystery, so it's impossible for man to know His ways or why He does what He does or how He does them. It's very dangerous to put God on trial and judge Him according to the standards of wicked men. So best you don't go there and stay at your post, which is to simple trust and obey and never question anything he does.
So you’re going to ignore Genesis 6:5-6 to? I showed it to you yesterday and you just act like it doesn’t even exist. It seems apparent to me that it doesn’t matter what the Bible says because your doctrines are the authority of your theology not the scriptures. Any time I present passages that refute your theology you ignore them as if they don’t even exist.
 
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The definition of Israel changes depending on how it’s being used in the passage. It can be used to refer to the elect sometimes, it can also refer to the nation as a whole.
Absolutely, and isn't it great that God is not the author of confusion. He made it easy to distinguish between the two uses of the word "Israel".
We can't confuse the two, if we consider the surrounding context. But sadly many pluck a verse containing the word, out of it's intended context and weaponize it to support their unbiblical views.
 
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Christian denominations agree that salvation comes through God's grace and Jesus Christ, but they differ on the role of faith and works, and how a person receives and maintains salvation.
Catholics emphasize faith expressed through active good works while Protestant Denominations vary, with many holding to "faith alone" (sola fide) as the primary path, though good works are seen as evidence of true faith.
The process can be viewed as a one-time event or a lifelong journey, and denominations like Reformed Christianity emphasize predestination, while Methodists focus on achieving entire sanctification.

Eastern Orthodoxy Theosis (Deification): Focuses on salvation as a process of theosis, or becoming united with God.

Means of Salvation: Achieved through the Church's mysteries (sacraments) and sanctification, viewed as a lifelong process rather than a legal or one-time event.

These are some of the views held by the various denominations, but which if any line up with what the Bible has to say about salvation.
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". This verse establishes that humanity is inherently sinful and separated from God, making self-salvation impossible.

Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written: 'There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one'".
These verses describe the universal fallen nature of man, confirming that no one naturally seeks God or performs righteous acts sufficient for salvation.

Titus 3:5 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit". This verse directly contrasts salvation with human deeds, attributing it solely to God's mercy.

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast".
This passage explicitly states that salvation is a gift from God, and not something earned through human actions.

Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible”". In response to the disciples' question about how the rich could be saved, Jesus highlights that salvation is beyond human power.

Jeremiah 13:23 "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed to doing evil".
While referring to the difficulty of changing evil habits, this verse metaphorically suggests a fundamental inability to change one's corrupted nature without divine help, which is relevant to the concept of salvation.

Is salvation, by grace or by works or by a combination of both.
From a Protestant perspective, I would say we are saved/justified by Grace alone. God does all the work of salvation and so God gets all the glory for that.

As far as works are concerned, we were created for good works. So the purpose of good works are not justification but Gods glory and our good.

Saved by grace alone. And Gods people have accompanying good works, when we are given a new heart, we love God and follow after his commandments.
 
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He can't-faith is a gift from God. But a lost man can decide if he'll let himself be found, a sick man can refuse the cure. He may prefer to carry on the family tradition of autonomy from God, of pride and preference of self over Him. Either way "justice" or righteousness for man consists fully in his existing in a state of union with Him, regardless of how we believe he gets there.

"Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him." John 6:53-56

“Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:4-5

We know the elect will be those who persevere to the end, and we know that grace is essential in that coming to pass, but to say that we know who those "we" are with perfect certainty is to avoid the passages that affirm that one can freely resist and/or turn away. A sinner is already willfully resisting grace-and all believers sin. Which will we really choose in the end: good, or evil? Our actions will bear witness to our choices, to our heart's orientation, to our love to put it best.
I appreciate your sincerity, but the idea that man can chose to believe the gospel without God first quickening him to life, is not supported by the Bible.
What we find, instead is that man is "dead in his sin" and we know dead men can do nothing. We also know that the "natural, carnal, dead man" loves his sin and hates God, so how is he supposed to bring himself out of his dead sate and change his nature, "which hates God and loves sin", to a nature which hates sin and loves God.

If it were possible for man to regenerate himself, change his nature, and die to his old nature and make himself be born again, then produce saving faith within himself, then produce repentance, then follow Christ and remain faithful to the end. Then yes, man could save himself if he was able to achieve all those things without God.

The Bible doesn't support that idea anywhere, but it does teach the opposite, throughout the entire Bible.,

Some of the verses that support this view are Romans 3:10-12, which states "no one understands; no one seeks for God,"

and 1 Corinthians 2:14, which says the "natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them".

Other verses include John 6:44, stating "no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him,"

and Ephesians 2:10, which refers to believers as God's "workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works" that were prepared beforehand.
 
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