Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

[Hazelelponi]

Exactly right. In both cases.

Luckily I can help you out with that. A number of boats, each with a few people on board, travelling in International waters have been blown up by your administration. They were nowhere near the USA coastline.

The administration has said that they were carrying drugs intended to be illegally imported into the US. No evidence for this has been presented whatsoever.

Let's say that the administration knew of a truck carrying fentanyl which was crossing the Canadian border into the US and they simply blew it up. Even if it was proved to have contained drugs would you think that was an acceptable action?

The situation could and would change my answer. And I mean the exact situation.

Who were the players? How dangerous are the involved groups and what are their proclivities? what were the risks to not acting or delaying action? what kind of help and support (however understated) is coming from inside Venezuela or Columbia and what kind of agreements have been made or broken or perceived to be so and why?

If we aren't being told very much it's likely unable to be told by anyone yet or thought that all the relevant points were mentioned already.

We all know the cartels are in full blown war with ICE in the US - within our borders - because we have cut off the human trafficking and drug smuggling routes, at the least somewhst.

So taking some of this to them where they actually live is somewhat expected in my view. If we weren't in the middle of a cartel war I would be more concerned I guess.

 

[Bradskii]

The situation could and would change my answer. And I mean the exact situation.

In the truck example, you'd know all the details. What drugs, how much, where they were going etc. In the boat examples you know none of the details. If it's OK to take out a boat with zero information is it OK to take out a truck and the people in it with all the information you need?

In passing, if you want to know the presidents view to help your decision: ‘We’re just gonna kill people’: Trump says he does not need declaration of war for Venezuela strikes – live

'I think we’re just gonna kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. OK? We’re gonna to kill them. They’re going to be, like, dead,”

So I guess that includes trucks...

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly.

But saying well she received threats so it's okay for her to teach kids when she clearly has issues, makes her teaching children questionable at best.

Where did I say that?

 

[BPPLEE]

You've seen a couple of seconds of a woman (or it might be just a picture) and so far we have...

She was celebrating a murder, she's unhinged, she's a left wing partisan nut job, a hypochrite, obnoxious, a possible participant at a proud boys rally, she's not above doxing, she probably spouts commie nonsense and champions every far left cause.

You've even spent time trying to track her down on social media. Good grief, man....

End of conversation. This is bizarre. I'm not going to feed this nonsense anymore.

That’s a pretty good description of many of the protesters. Good job

 

[Bradskii]

That’s a pretty good description of many of the protesters. Good job

I think we have a problem if denigrating a few million people with assumed negative stereotypes as we've just seen is acceptable. And I wasn making those descriptions up either. Someone else made them up.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think we have a problem if denigrating a few million people with assumed negative stereotypes as we've just seen is acceptable. And I wasn making those descriptions up either. Someone else made them up.

I didn’t say all of them (my son was at one of those rallies) but just read their signs and listen to their interviews and you won’t have to assume anything

 

[Bradskii]

I didn’t say all of them (my son was at one of those rallies) but just read their signs and listen to their interviews and you won’t have to assume anything

Your son is hanging around with people that you think are unhinged, left wing partisan nut jobs, hypochrites, obnoxious, possible participants at a proud boys rally and not above doxing, probably spout commie nonsense and champions every far left cause?

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Not really...

She was at an "Anti ICE" rally wasn't she?

No? Wasn't it a No Kings protest?

Anti-ICE activists have already made it pretty clear they're not above things like doxxing...

No Kings protest?

If she's mocking someone getting shot in the neck, then what reason would there be to not believe she would've been the kind of person who celebrated anytime someone with differing viewpoints got fired?

From what you posted so long, it seems that it's because she mocked someone getting shot in the neck you draw most of your conclusions.

You can't really mock dead people though, but I guess you mean something like mocking the grief some still feel about Kirks death?

I can't find any of her social media accounts with a simple search (I presume she's deactivated all of them)...I could probably dig up archived versions using some BI tools I have at my disposal at work, but that's more effort than I'm willing to invest in order to "prove" what I already know.

Even if you would find anything in the future, this shows that you applied this accusation to her before you knew anything.

I know the type...I'd bet substantial money on the fact that if her social media was still up, what we'd find is a feed riddled with commie nonsense, a treasure trove of championing every far-left cause there is, and non-stop bashing and gloating every time there's a negative story about conservatives.

So more than what is in the NY post what did you know about her when you speculated about her celebrating her political opponents getting doxxed?

I have left-wing teachers in my own family...I've seen their social media posts, and they're not even nearly as obnoxious and off-putting as this woman is.

What makes her left-wing? Sure, we can say that is unlikely that the she is politically aligned with Trump. But there are still possible to be a centrist democrat/republican or independent and attend a No Kings rally, is it not?

 

[BPPLEE]

Your son is hanging around with people that you think are unhinged, left wing partisan nut jobs, hypochrites, obnoxious, possible participants at a proud boys rally and not above doxing, probably spout commie nonsense and champions every far left cause?

Some of them, yes many of them if you leave out the Proud Boys . We have very different ideas about politics

 

[Hazelelponi]

Where did I say that?

It seemed to be your inference. That you would normally see what she did as wrong but because she was threatened you don't think what she did disqualifies her from teaching children.

Something along that lines anyway.

What she did was wrong and that doesn't change because she was threatened would be my position.

Her being threatened doesn't mean it's okay for teachers to make death threats (or mime assassination) at passers by while at political rallies

It's doesn't fill me with confidence in what she's potentially teaching her students, and I don't think anyone can guarantee a conservative parents child is safe with her.

This isn't the equivalent of clumsily explaining armed self defense to French aristocrats as another poster alleged. The context was being at a far left rally making highly threatening gestures at someone who seemed to randomly walk by her, whether because she was threatening the passer-by or wanting to look smart on camera and was under the working assumption miming assassination did that for her is anyone's guess. Both fall flat for a teacher of young children.

I'm not trying to overly harp on people. If she was in another profession and not responsible for teaching children it would be a different reaction. I don't care what type of behavior a data processor exhibits as much as a teacher, for example.

I do expect more from those who are responsible for those who are helpless. Young children are pretty helpless I think, and it behooves us to be careful with who is caring for them and what they are potentially being taught.

 

[Bradskii]

Some of them, yes many of them if you leave out the Proud Boys . We have very different ideas about politics

Kids these days, eh?

Oddly enough, we have not promted out two in any direction. Even sent them to Catholic schools. But like father like son. And daughter.

 

[BPPLEE]

Kids these days, eh?

Oddly enough, we have not promted out two in any direction. Even sent them to Catholic schools. But like father like son. And daughter.

He’s happy and successful. How much more can you ask for?

 

[Hazelelponi]

It seemed to be your inference. That you would normally see what she did as wrong but because she was threatened you don't think what she did disqualifies her from teaching children.

Something along that lines anyway.

What she did was wrong and that doesn't change because she was threatened would be my position.

Her being threatened doesn't mean it's okay for teachers to make death threats (or mime assassination) at passers by while at political rallies

It's doesn't fill me with confidence in what she's potentially teaching her students, and I don't think anyone can guarantee a conservative parents child is safe with her.

This isn't the equivalent of clumsily explaining armed self defense to French aristocrats as another poster alleged. The context was being at a far left rally making highly threatening gestures at someone who seemed to randomly walk by her, whether because she was threatening the passer-by or wanting to look smart on camera and was under the working assumption miming assassination did that for her is anyone's guess. Both fall flat for a teacher of young children.

I'm not trying to overly harp on people. If she was in another profession and not responsible for teaching children it would be a different reaction. I don't care what type of behavior a data processor exhibits as much as a teacher, for example.

I do expect more from those who are responsible for those who are helpless. Young children are pretty helpless I think, and it behooves us to be careful with who is caring for them.

In the truck example, you'd know all the details. What drugs, how much, where they were going etc. In the boat examples you know none of the details. If it's OK to take out a boat with zero information is it OK to take out a truck and the people in it with all the information you need?

In passing, if you want to know the presidents view to help your decision: ‘We’re just gonna kill people’: Trump says he does not need declaration of war for Venezuela strikes – live

'I think we’re just gonna kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. OK? We’re gonna to kill them. They’re going to be, like, dead,”

So I guess that includes trucks...

He's trolling the media. The US government is not out in international waters killing anything that moves without any provocation or cause or even research into who or why we might be.

While operations are ongoing and sensitive much if not most information stays classified - that's real and we all know it.

He already declared he was taking action on October 2, 2025, he informed Congress that the U.S. is now in a formal "armed conflict" with drug cartels, which he has labeled "unlawful combatants" and "terrorist organizations".

Those designations are fitting for cartels according to all I have ever learned about them. They operate much like al-qaeda from all I have heard, and are just as dangerous according to law enforcement. The difference is just motivation from what I understand.

That means more information will have to be classified because you can't expose the people you might be getting valid information from.

I don't know why Trump is trolling, he should answer to the best of his abilities even if it's just to mention that the details remain classified because x y or z good reason.

However, he did already approach congress weeks ago with the escalation. It's not random nor unexpected and there's been 3 weeks for people in the know to do their due diligence. When organisations go to war against the US government we can always guarantee the government will fight back.

Trump is relying on the same legal authority used by the Bush administration when it declared a war on terror.

 

[Larniavc]

Using him as a scapegoat for punishment is no different than what we see in muslim countries.

I keep expecting a Christian ‘day of anger’ to happen.

 

[Larniavc]

Right, but we lived through the era where if someone told an "offensive joke" nine years ago, it justified getting them fired in the present day and it was considered "accountability culture" (as a rebuttal to accusations of "cancel culture")

There is a big difference between being derogatory to a marginalised protected category and being derogatory about an individual.

 

[Larniavc]

I would not feel safe working around co-workers who think it's okay to murder me in front of my family.

Then you should choose to find another better job, no?

 

[Larniavc]

Being a Gen X guy myself, I remember when political disagreements were settled with a verbal argument, maybe a slight shoving match in a parking lot on rare occasions, followed by a "bro-grab" hug and "let's go back inside, grab another beer, and go on about our business" lol...and that was the end of it.

Yeah, Newt Grinwich really did a number on American politics.

 

[Bradskii]

He's trolling the media. The US government is not out in international waters killing anything that moves without any provocation or cause or even research into who or why we might be.

But you're ignoring the comparison.

Let's assume that the boats were carrying fentanyl. But they weren't a few miles off the California coast. So no immediate danger. They could have been tracked and boarded by the Navy at their convenience.

A truck coming over the border which is also carrying fentanyl is a lot closer to home. A more immediate danger.

So why not treat it the same? Trump says, literally: 'we're going to kill them'.

What's the difference?

 

[Hazelelponi]

There is a big difference between being derogatory to a marginalised protected category and being derogatory about an individual.

Have you ever heard of Roland Fryer? He's a Harvard mathematician, an economist - a true genius according to his fellows - and a black American man.

Do you realize that the far left sees discussing his work as racist?

Literally they do. You cant discuss his research or any like it because the claim on the back of years of research is that the evidence doesn't show the racial bias in policing that is being claimed by the far left.

When according to the left the truth is derogatory that is worthy of cancelling people where do you go?

 

[Bradskii]

Have you ever heard of Roland Fryer? You cant discuss his research or any like it because the claim on the back of years of research is that the evidence doesn't show the racial bias in policing that is being claimed by the far left.

He certainly did find racial bias in police violence. His paper noted no bias in shootings.

And I have no idea why he's been mentioned.