U.S. Releases Video of Attack on Semi-Submersible and Sends Survivors Home

[Hans Blaster]

Someone suggested that Americans should just stop buying and using drugs. That’s not typically the liberal position

Why should I care if something is a "liberal position" or not? I prefer dealing in facts to opinions. These naval operations against small boats near South America have nothing to do with fentanyl.

 

[BPPLEE]

Why should I care if something is a "liberal position" or not? I prefer dealing in facts to opinions. These naval operations against small boats near South America have nothing to do with fentanyl.

Sure, but that’s another conversation. After hearing for years that we should go after the dealers not the users and that we should stop these drugs from coming here, that we could stop it if we wanted to now all of a sudden Americans should just stop buying drugs. Why? Why blame the users now?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Sure, but that’s another conversation. After hearing for years that we should go after the dealers not the users and that we should stop these drugs from coming here, that we could stop it if we wanted to now all of a sudden Americans should just stop buying drugs. Why? Why blame the users now?

It's the conversation of *this* thread. I'm not talking about "users". I am talking about unsubstantiated claims of the naval operations. One that is complete nonsense is "fentanyl" being on those boats.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's the conversation of *this* thread. I'm not talking about "users". I am talking about unsubstantiated claims of the naval operations. One that is complete nonsense is "fentanyl" being on those boats.

Most fentanyl comes from China to Mexico then to the USA. Cocaine and heroin come from South America. I don’t know what is on these boats that have been destroyed

 

[Pommer]

Sounds like a collection of right-wing talking points all right. But here is another angle: when those drug boats carry more than two people the rest are generally passengers being trafficked. Is it OK with you to blow them up too? Some might even be women and children, but are they evil enough for trying to get into the US to execute them, too?

Drugs or people bent on invading our land and stealing our great jobs and lounging-around on our beaches, and in our hospitals! on the taxpayers’ dime*!?

Yeah, with nary a peep outta our “law and order” friends, for some odd raisin.

*”Schrodinger’s immigrants: coming for the great social safety nets we got, and after trekking 1000 miles to get here and taking our jobs, while living off of the Government…somehow.

The birthrate is 1.6%, having “less people” immigrating into our fair land is suicide.

 

[Pommer]

I don’t know what is on these boats that have been destroyed

Neither do I. Trump says that they were loaded to the gunnels with drugs destined for our shores.
Let’s say that he’s absolutely correct.

What makes their destruction “okay”?

 

[Pommer]

Someone suggested that Americans should just stop buying and using drugs. That’s not typically the liberal position

One should be able to purchase whatever pharmaceutical products that help them get through this life relatively sane, if one is in a nation (and society) that makes the taking of pharmaceutical products “attractive”.

 

[BPPLEE]

Neither do I. Trump says that they were loaded to the gunnels with drugs destined for our shores.
Let’s say that he’s absolutely correct.

What makes their destruction “okay”?

If they actually contained large quantities of illegal drugs I can see how you could argue that destroying them is a good thing, but the legality is questionable and I don’t think that Venezuela is where the majority of drugs come from

 

[BPPLEE]

One should be able to purchase whatever pharmaceutical products that help them get through this life relatively sane, if one is in a nation (and society) that makes the taking of pharmaceutical products “attractive”.

That doesn’t sound like you agree that users are to blame for the drug problem. But many illegal narcotics don’t leave you relatively sane, especially meth

 

[Belk]

Well someone, who is usually fairly liberal on most issues suggested that Americans should just stop buying drugs

They literally said "they need help getting off (drugs)". That is very different from they just need to stop.

 

[BPPLEE]

They literally said "they need help getting off (drugs)". That is very different from they just need to stop.

No she didn't. She said Americans need to stop taking drugs

"Perhaps Americans should stop taking illegal drugs. It's not as if the cartels were making them - they are seeking them out and paying good money."
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[Hans Blaster]

Most fentanyl comes from China to Mexico then to the USA. Cocaine and heroin come from South America. I don’t know what is on these boats that have been destroyed

I agree with you.

Unfortunately the OP article quotes POTUS claiming the boat (and others apparently) was filled with fentanyl and the OPer repeats that notion in post #3. This is almost certainly not true.

 

[Pommer]

If they actually contained large quantities of illegal drugs I can see how you could argue that destroying them is a good thing, but the legality is questionable and I don’t think that Venezuela is where the majority of drugs come from

Okay we’re more-or-less in agreement here.

 

[Pommer]

That doesn’t sound like you agree that users are to blame for the drug problem. But many illegal narcotics don’t leave you relatively sane, especially meth

But meth is (mostly) a homegrown drug.

 

[BPPLEE]

But meth is (mostly) a homegrown drug.

We have cooks but a lot comes from Mexico
According to Google:
In North America, most methamphetamine is produced in large "superlabs" in Mexico by drug cartels, with precursor chemicals largely sourced from China
. Significant methamphetamine production hubs also exist in Southeast Asia and Afghanistan.
North American market

• Mexico: Mexican drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) dominate the wholesale methamphetamine trade in the United States. After the U.S. restricted access to precursor chemicals like pseudoephedrine in 2005, Mexican cartels began producing unprecedented quantities of high-purity, low-cost methamphetamine. The Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG) are the dominant players.
• Precursor chemicals: While the finished product comes from Mexico, the precursor chemicals needed to manufacture methamphetamine are primarily sourced from China and India. These are shipped to Mexico, where the manufacturing takes place.
• Canada: Canada also has methamphetamine production, though on a smaller scale than in Mexico, with some of the drug being trafficked into the United States.
• U.S. domestic productionomestic production in the United States still occurs in smaller labs but has declined significantly since the rise of more cost-effective, high-purity Mexican methamphetamine.

Global market

• Southeast Asia: The production of methamphetamine for Asian and Oceanian markets is concentrated in Myanmar and the broader Lower Mekong Basin, including Laos, Thailand, and Vietnam. These producers often manufacture both crystal methamphetamine and methamphetamine tablets (known as "yaba").
• Afghanistan: Traditionally known for heroin production, Afghanistan has become a significant source of methamphetamine, fueled in part by the availability of the ephedra plant as a local precursor.
• Europe: Methamphetamine manufacture is spreading across Europe at lower levels. Production methods vary by region, with some labs importing chemicals from Mexico and others operating closer to the consumer market.

Manufacturing trends
The global illicit methamphetamine market is constantly adapting to law enforcement efforts. When pseudoephedrine was restricted, traffickers switched to other precursor chemicals, such as P2P (phenyl-2-propanone). This has led to an increase in sophisticated, high-volume labs and fewer smaller, domestic labs, particularly in North America.

 

[BCP1928]

So you can just tell them to stop taking drugs and that will solve the problem? That historically has not been the liberal view nor that users are to blame

Nor is it the view of anyone in this forum.

 

[BPPLEE]

Nor is it the view of anyone in this forum.

"Perhaps Americans should stop taking illegal drugs. It's not as if the cartels were making them - they are seeking them out and paying good money."
Post #4

 

[BCP1928]

"Perhaps Americans should stop taking illegal drugs. It's not as if the cartels were making them - they are seeking them out and paying good money."
Post #4

Nothing in there about stopping without help, which is what you implied.

 

[BPPLEE]

Nothing in there about stopping without help, which is what you implied.

Nothing in there about getting help either , implied or otherwise

 

[BPPLEE]

Colombia’s president muses about getting ‘rid of’ Trump in menacing interview as drug feud intensifies

Over the weekend, Trump threatened to close up the “killing fields” in Colombia and announced he was slashing US subsidies for the Latin American country.

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Colombia’s president muses about getting ‘rid of’ Trump in menacing interview as drug feud intensifies​