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U.S. Releases Video of Attack on Semi-Submersible and Sends Survivors Home

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“The two surviving ‘terrorists’ are being returned to their countries of origin, Ecuador and Colombia, for detention and prosecution,” Trump wrote in the social media posting.
The New York Times reports the two individuals have been transferred from the custody of the Pentagon to the U.S. State Department for their repatriation. They note that the U.S. has handed individuals in the past over to friendly countries when they were intercepted outside the country. The Coast Guard, in the past in the Caribbean, however, after stopping drug trafficking boats, has also arrested the individuals and brought them to the U.S. for prosecution.

Over 80,000 Americans died in 2024 as a result of a drug overdose.
 
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Why are they being repatriated to Ecuador and Colombia? I thought that Trump declared war on Venezuelan traffickers to justify murdering them on the open seas. So is it anyone from South or Central America?

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The announcement of Holsey’s impending retirement comes as the Trump administration continues military action against alleged drug boats operating in international waters in U.S. Southern Command. The latest strike, announced Tuesday, killed six people, according to President Donald Trump.

The Trump administration has provided little legal justification for the strikes, which the president first announced Sept. 2 during a White House press conference. The administration says the strikes are military self-defense operations under U.S. Title 10. Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers have raised concerns over the legality of the strikes.
 
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Why are they being repatriated to Ecuador and Colombia? I thought that Trump declared war on Venezuelan traffickers to justify murdering them on the open seas. So is it anyone from South or Central America?

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The announcement of Holsey’s impending retirement comes as the Trump administration continues military action against alleged drug boats operating in international waters in U.S. Southern Command. The latest strike, announced Tuesday, killed six people, according to President Donald Trump.​
The Trump administration has provided little legal justification for the strikes, which the president first announced Sept. 2 during a White House press conference. The administration says the strikes are military self-defense operations under U.S. Title 10. Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers have raised concerns over the legality of the strikes.​
These were known terrorists, the submarine was carrying a large shipment of fentanyl and other drugs. Over 80,000 Americans died of drug overdoses in 2024. 58, 220 Americans died in the entire Vietnam War.
 
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These were known terrorists,
What are their names? And what has that got to do with what I asked?
the submarine was carrying a large shipment of fentanyl and other drugs.
Actual fentanyl or the ingredients? What other drugs.
Over 80,000 Americans died of drug overdoses in 2024. 58, 220 Americans died in the entire Vietnam War.
Perhaps Americans should stop taking illegal drugs. It's not as if the cartels were making them - they are seeking them out and paying good money.
 
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Why are they being repatriated to Ecuador and Colombia? I thought that Trump declared war on Venezuelan traffickers to justify murdering them on the open seas. So is it anyone from South or Central America?
Their own countries can prosecute them. The Ejército de Liberación Nacional (ELN) is recognized as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. The ELN uses people from Ecuador and Columbia..
 
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I want to see the evidence of the drugs. Also, why is Trump having people blown up. For a possible drug offense.
These were narco-terrorists who traffic drugs to the United States. The video is declassified, as to the actual drugs you can look but I don't think there is much left to find given the wind and the waves. It's similar to the situation with Iran, they were given warning but continued on.
 
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What are their names? And what has that got to do with what I asked?

Actual fentanyl or the ingredients? What other drugs.

Perhaps Americans should stop taking illegal drugs. It's not as if the cartels were making them - they are seeking them out and paying good money.
Just tell people to stop taking drugs? You mean hold them accountable for their actions?
Can we apply this across the board?
 
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Just tell people to stop taking drugs? You mean hold them accountable for their actions?
Can we apply this across the board?
What are you really asking?
 
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What are you really asking?
Where does this go?
Americans should just stop using drugs then the drug problem would go away
People should stop coming here illegally then we wouldn't have to worry about how ICE treats them
Single women should stop having children then we could pay less welfare and crime would go down
Obese people should just diet and exercise
Etc...
 
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Where does this go?
Americans should just stop using drugs then the drug problem would go away
People should stop coming here illegally then we wouldn't have to worry about how ICE treats them
Single women should stop having children then we could pay less welfare and crime would go down
Obese people should just diet and exercise
Etc...
Sounds like a collection of right-wing talking points all right. But here is another angle: when those drug boats carry more than two people the rest are generally passengers being trafficked. Is it OK with you to blow them up too? Some might even be women and children, but are they evil enough for trying to get into the US to execute them, too?
 
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Sounds like a collection of right-wing talking points all right. But here is another angle: when those drug boats carry more than two people the rest are generally passengers being trafficked. Is it OK with you to blow them up too? Some might even be women and children, but are they evil enough for trying to get into the US to execute them, too?
Well actually you have no way of knowing that.
I was responding to someone who usually leans towards the liberal side suddenly blaming drug users for the drug problem.
Typically the left has been against going after users, leaning towards sentencing users to rehab and some even recommend legalizing drugs.
Why all of a sudden is the fentanyl problem the user's fault?
Many people who overdose don't even know that they are taking fentanyl
 
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Why is any drug problem suddenly the fault of the user?
Why wouldn't be the fault of the users/ their friends or family? They started, they need help getting off. I noticed some people do drugs because of child abuse. Physical or sexual abuse. A drug addict will just find a different drug. Most drug addict need professional help to get off of drugs.
 
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Why wouldn't be the fault of the users/ their friends or family? They started, they need help getting off. I noticed some people do drugs because of child abuse. Physical or sexual abuse. A drug addict will just find a different drug. Most drug addict need professional help to get off of drugs.
So you can just tell them to stop taking drugs and that will solve the problem? That historically has not been the liberal view nor that users are to blame
 
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Why is any drug problem suddenly the fault of the user?
Huh? Fentanyl isn't relevant to the Trump speed boat war. Fentanyl doesn't come from South America.
 
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Huh? Fentanyl isn't relevant to the Trump speed boat war. Fentanyl doesn't come from South America.
Someone suggested that Americans should just stop buying and using drugs. That’s not typically the liberal position
 
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So you can just tell them to stop taking drugs and that will solve the problem? That historically has not been the liberal view nor that users are to blame
But they can't. Getting off drugs aren't that easy. That's why I said that a lot of people, that are on drugs need professional help. Since some are numbing pain. From sexual , mental and physical abuse. Also the withdrawal can cause people to die. I was raised Republican, and learned. That most Republicans did drugs, had abortions and need help. Most of the Republicans ,that I know have addiction issues. It's not easy for them to get off of drugs. Because they need medical help. But they seem to vote against them selves.
 
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But they can't. Getting off drugs aren't that easy. That's why I said that a lot of people, that are on drugs need professional help. Since some are numbing pain. From sexual , mental and physical abuse. Also the withdrawal can cause people to die. I was raised Republican, and learned. That most Republicans did drugs, had abortions and need help. Most of the Republicans ,that I know have addiction issues. It's not easy for them to get off of drugs. Because they need medical help. But they seem to vote against them selves.
Well someone, who is usually fairly liberal on most issues suggested that Americans should just stop buying drugs
 
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