About Jesus being the only way?

[Neogaia777]

Just heard this argument, and listened to this argument again, and I will say that I think all roads lead to judgement, so if your thinking that they all lead to God, then you might be correct, but maybe just not the way you think maybe.

I would also say that for me, or as for "me and my house", as the Bible puts it, I don't think there is any way for me to be saved apart from Jesus Christ, and maybe for the simple fact that I know I'm not perfect, and that I think that God's standard apart from Jesus Christ in the judgement is going to be 100% absolute guiltlessness, or perfection probably. So, if you don't at some point in your life come to some kind of (faith) belief in Jesus Christ in your life sometime before you die, or before you stand in judgement, then I don't think your chances are very good of getting into heaven, or being saved probably, etc.

And as for me, no one else died for me, or even thought it was necessary, etc. Not Mohammad, not Buddha, or Confucious, or any other man/woman/person of God (or supposedly of God) none of them even thought about the fact of maybe having to die for me, etc.

And the fact that only one person did, or thought it was 100% necessary, and thought there was no other way, should maybe be trying to tell you/me/all of us something maybe?

As for me, I think it's the one and only way I'm getting in probably, or even stand a chance at getting in or being saved probably, etc.

And the rest of you can think/act/decide for yourselves maybe, since every single person has to answer that/decide that for themselves probably, etc.

Anyway, God Bless.

If you're interested to know how that judgement for either you, me, or anyone might happen or go maybe, then this post (below) maybe could prove somewhat useful maybe (or maybe not maybe). It's probably different for someone who believes in Jesus Christ then maybe someone who does not have some kind of belief in Jesus Christ probably, etc. Any kind of mercy at all probably only comes through/by Jesus Christ probably, etc.

How do we set aside the grace of God?

I first heard of character traits from you, so why should I define them. Righteousness is to be in right standing with God. that means God does not hold anything against you. You are sinless in His eyes. John 16:8 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness...

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God Bless.

 

[d taylor]

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There is no judgment for the born again child of God.

So if a person believes they will be judged to see if they are a born again child of God. Then they are not a born again child of God, because they are basing their belief on works they are doing and not on, have they believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.

 

[Neogaia777]

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There is no judgment for the born again child of God.

So if a person believes they will be judged to see if they are a born again child of God. Then they are not a born again child of God, because they are basing their belief on works they are doing and not on, have they believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.

It's a sin just like other sins to believe that you can save yourself, or that your own works can save you, but it is also equally a sin to trample the Son of God underfoot by thinking that works done after being saved (especially in the areas of obedience, and sin-less-ness) won't in part reveal in the judgement whether you were a true believer in Jesus Christ, or a true born again child of God or not.

 

[Strong in Him]

It's a sin just like other sins to believe that you can save yourself, or that your own works can save you, but it is also equally a sin to trample the Son of God underfoot by thinking that works done after being saved (especially in the areas of obedience, and sin-less-ness) won't in part reveal in the judgement whether you were a true believer in Jesus Christ, or a true born again child of God or not.

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

 

[Neogaia777]

@Strong in Him

For the true children of God, there won't be, but that's not going to be revealed to or for anyone until, or at, or in the judgement.

For the true children of God, the day of judgement is going to be a very, very good, and maybe even a little bit exciting, thing, etc, and they'll have not even one single thing to fear from it, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Strong in Him

For the true children of God, there won't be, but that's not going to be revealed to or for anyone until, or at, or in the judgement.

For the true children of God, the day of judgement is going to be a very, very good, and maybe even a little bit exciting, thing, etc, and they'll have not even one single thing to fear from it, etc.

God Bless.

The question will be, after initial salvation probably, did I do the works that God had individually prepared for me to do beforehand, and that were individually custom taliored for me to do beforehand, as a true born again child of his, that will show that I always was a true born again child of his, versus those who maybe tried to put on a good show maybe, but that weren't really ever a true born again child of his?

This will all be revealed in the judgement, etc. For which the true born again child of God will have absolutely nothing to fear, etc. (No condemnation, etc).

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Strong in Him

For the true children of God, there won't be, but that's not going to be revealed to or for anyone until, or at, or in the judgement.

Really?

You have no idea whether or not you are a child of God and have to wait for, maybe, another 20 years to find out?
John 1:12.
Romans 8:16-17
1 John 3:1.

WE may not know if someone really is a Christian and child of God - but it's not for us to judge.

 

[Strong in Him]

The question will be, after initial salvation probably, did I do the works that God had individually prepared for me to do beforehand, and that were individually custom taliored for me to do beforehand, as a true born again child of his, that will show that I always was a true born again child of his, versus those who maybe tried to put on a good show maybe, but that weren't really ever a true born again child of his?

Being a child of God is not dependent at all on our good works - but only on whether someone has received Jesus.
A person is born again through the Holy Spirit; not as a reward for good works.

 

[Neogaia777]

Being a child of God is not dependent at all on our good works - but only on whether someone has received Jesus.
A person is born again through the Holy Spirit; not as a reward for good works.

If a person is a true one, then that person will do/fulfill whatever (good) works God the Father has already prepared for him (or her) to do from before the world began, and if they are not, then they won't in their individual case, but you are right about them not saving you though, but then again, I never said they did, etc.

In the judgement, there will be revealed that there were certain works that were prepared for you as a individual that were prepared for you from before the foundation of the world, that if you did them, or chose to do them, will show if you're a true child of God or not, etc. And it will also be revealed that God also did the same thing with some others, but they didn't choose to do them, etc. And this information from these results/judgements will be revealed to us in the very final judgement, separating the false from the true once and for all after that, etc. They don't save you, but they are evidence of a genuine saving faith, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

Really?

You have no idea whether or not you are a child of God and have to wait for, maybe, another 20 years to find out?
John 1:12.
Romans 8:16-17
1 John 3:1.

WE may not know if someone really is a Christian and child of God - but it's not for us to judge.

Exactly, it's not for us to judge, not even for 100% sure in our own individual case, etc. You can maybe feel pretty confident in your own individual case maybe, but it's ultimately up to God in the very final Judgement, etc. To not give God that, is sin, etc.

 

[Strong in Him]

Exactly, it's not for us to judge, not even for 100% sure in our own individual case, etc. You can maybe feel pretty confident in your own individual case maybe,

No.
John wrote in his letter, "I write this so that you will KNOW".

We were far from God in our sin. Being reconciled to him cost God his Son. Of course he wants us to know that we are his children. The whole of the NT talks of us being "in Christ". We are told to remain in the vine. We are told that we have every spiritual blessing in Christ. We are told there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.
How can someone be in Christ and live their life in Christ, then meet with God and be afraid in case he might say "you're not mine"?

I guess you can never sing the hymn, "Blessed assurance", then?

 

[Neogaia777]

No.
John wrote in his letter, "I write this so that you will KNOW".

We were far from God in our sin. Being reconciled to him cost God his Son. Of course he wants us to know that we are his children. The whole of the NT talks of us being "in Christ". We are told to remain in the vine. We are told that we have every spiritual blessing in Christ. We are told there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.
How can someone be in Christ and live their life in Christ, then meet with God and be afraid in case he might say "you're not mine"?

I guess you can never sing the hymn, "Blessed assurance", then?

You do whatever you want, but I'm just telling you that 100% full confidence either way, is sin.

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

You do whatever you want, but I'm just telling you that 100% full confidence either way, is sin.

No, it's not.
It's faith in God who keeps his word.

My faith is not in myself, as it would be if I were trying to weigh up my good deeds. It's in Jesus and what he has done. I would not be able to trust God, to have faith in him if I thought there was a chance he might finally reject me one day.
I feel sad for you if you don't know that.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Strong in Him

You can be fairly confident that you might make it in, but if there is truly not even one shred of doubt, then it is sin, because, for one, you're not yielding your own individual judgement to God, and then, for another, it's like you are somehow telling God that he has to let you in, because he's maybe evil or something if he doesn't, because you have evaluated/judged yourself and found yourself somehow completely worthy, and if he somehow doesn't agree with your own evaluation or judgement of yourself, then he's somehow evil, or wicked, or not at all just at all if he doesn't let you in, etc.

God also cannot let all sin slide also, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

No, it's not.
It's faith in God who keeps his word.

My faith is not in myself, as it would be if I were trying to weigh up my good deeds. It's in Jesus and what he has done. I would not be able to trust God, to have faith in him if I thought there was a chance he might finally reject me one day.
I feel sad for you if you don't know that.

I'm yielding my own judgement to God, and I am fine not completely knowing for 100% certain until then, etc.

But as for you though, and because you place so much value/importance on having to be 100% certain always on this side of life always, just make sure your confidence is 100% in Christ, ok, and not in something else, like something you did, or are right now doing, or maybe things you don't do, or haven't did, or are not right now doing, ok.

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Strong in Him

You can be fairly confident that you might make it in,

Might make into where? Heaven?
Jesus said that whoever believes in him has eternal life. HAS, present tense. He said it is God's work, and will, that we believe and have eternal life, John 6:29, 40.
Jesus told us that he is the Vine, we are the branches and we are to remain in him, John 15:5.
Paul said that we ARE heirs with Christ and are given the Holy Spirit as a deposit, which guarantees our inheritance, 2 Corinthians 5:5.

Are you saying that none of that is true and we may still meet God after death and be told "you're not coming in"?

but if there is truly not even one shred of doubt, then it is sin,

Complete faith in God is not, and can never be, a sin.

for one, your not yielding your own individual judgement to God,

I have faith that God's word is true.
Don't you?

, for another, it's somehow telling God that he has to let you in, because he's maybe evil or something

GOD himself has said that I have eternal life because I believe in Jesus.
"Getting into" heaven is nothing to do with me and everything to do with what Jesus has done for, and in, me.

And there is no way I would say that God is evil.

because you have evaluated/judged yourself and found yourself somehow completely worthy,

I am worthy ONLY through Jesus who had made me righteous, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

and if he somehow doesn't agree with your own evaluation or judgement of yourself, then he's somehow evil, or wicked, or not at all just at all if he doesn't let you in, etc.

Rubbish.

 

[Neogaia777]

@Strong in Him

God is probably going to have to judge some of your sin, maybe not all of it, but probably some of it, even if you are a believer, or say you are a child of God, or say you have a faith belief in Jesus Christ, etc.

And whether or not that results in a complete loss of salvation, or maybe just a loss of rewards maybe, none of us knows right now for certain, and isn't supposed to be up to us and our own judgements anyway, but just only Gods, and Gods only, don't you think?

God Bless.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Strong in Him

God is probably going to have to judge some of your sin,

What sin - the sin of believing what he says in the Bible and through his Son?
Whoever accepts Jesus' words is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

maybe not all of it, but probably some of it, even if you are a believer, or say you are a child of God, or say you have a faith belief in Jesus Christ, etc.

I AM a believer and child of God. I don't say it; he does.
I don't SAY I have faith in Jesus Christ; I do.

And whether or not that results in a complete loss of salvation,

That IS salvation - to believe in Jesus Christ and the One who sent him.

or maybe just a loss of rewards maybe, none of us knows right now for certain,

You don't know about my salvation, no.
Sadly, you don't even seem to know about your own.

but just only Gods, and Gods only, don't you think?

I'm not basing it on my judgments but on what God has said.
Like I say, I'm sad that you don't believe him.

 

[d taylor]

It's a sin just like other sins to believe that you can save yourself, or that your own works can save you, but it is also equally a sin to trample the Son of God underfoot by thinking that works done after being saved (especially in the areas of obedience, and sin-less-ness) won't in part reveal in the judgement whether you were a true believer in Jesus Christ, or a true born again child of God or not.

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There is no judgement for a born again child of God.

It's a sin just like other sins to believe that you can save yourself, or that your own works can save you, but it is also equally a sin to trample the Son of God underfoot by thinking that works done after being saved (especially in the areas of obedience, and sin-less-ness) won't in part reveal in the judgement whether you were a true believer in Jesus Christ, or a true born again child of God or not.

This is nothing but a man created church talk and has no Biblical support. God does not need to judge a born again child of God to see if they are a true believer. God knows at the very moment a person believes in Jesus for Eternal Life.
At that very moment of belief, God gives the person The Life of God, there is no waiting for a judgment.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

[com7fy8]

About Jesus being the only way?

Jesus is God's own Son. There is no other and no better way to God. God has given us His very own best; and because "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16) He has given us only His very own best who is Jesus as His way to Him.

This shows how God is not conceited . . . how He so superior is not at all conceited about being so better than we are. So, He has given us His very own Son Jesus.

And only Jesus can be perfectly pleasing and satisfying to our Heavenly Father; because Jesus is God as the Son . . . perfectly good so he can be perfectly pleasing to our Father. No one and nothing else could satisfy our Father to forgive us and bless us with salvation. But only Jesus on the cross could be perfectly pleasing and satisfying in order to get our Father to forgive us and reconcile with us. And so, yes, Jesus is our only way to God.

And so, therefore, we have trusted in Jesus as our way and as the One to bring us to God > our Apostle Paul says who "we" are >

"we who first trusted in Christ" > in Ephesians 1:12.

So, God has brought us to trust Jesus Himself, in order to be saved, including reconciled with God.

So, believing includes such trusting; trusting is not distant, but we are personal with Jesus Himself, submitting to Him and learning from Him. Jesus calls "all" to this > Jesus has this hope for "all" >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

In Jesus Christ's "yoke" we are in submission and personal communication with Jesus and He is sharing His own "rest for your souls" with us > "My peace I give to you," He says in Jon 14:27. So, trusting Jesus includes obeying how He cares for us and personally guides us in His own peace. And this is commanded as a basic of our Christian calling "in one body" >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This peace ***rules*** us; and in this peace is God's own almighty immunity against any and all nasty and negative and naughty emotions and feelings and wrong thinking and dominating and dishonest drives. And instead, in our Father's peace we share with Him in His own creativity for how to love any person, at all. So, this is basic to our calling "in one body".

This comes with how our Father draws a person to Jesus.