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Another look at the moon landing.

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Nevertheless, it is based on FACT - on a real person who, even you admit, existed. Santa Niklaus = Santa Claus.

I never claimed he existed. my claim was that NASA is an anagram for SANTA = Satan without the T.
 
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It happened, and can't be changed.
We can't change anything that happened even 5 minutes ago - there is no such thing as a time machine. We certainly can't change events that happened, were experienced, witnessed and recorded more than 50 years ago.


Silence, in what way?
This is a list of all the space missions from around 1960 to the present day - whether they were successful, or not.

Landing, and briefly walking on, the moon is different to building a "moon base".
I don't know what NASA meant by that, but maybe they simply realised it was not possible - whatever their intentions, it could not be done.

They may not have walked on the moon for 50 years, they've certainly been to it.
Look at the list. The latest date for a trip to/past the moon was Feb 2025.

I don't know whether the original footage still exists or not - means nothing.
The original Bible manuscripts no longer exist; that doesn't mean the Bible was never written.

Yes, it was.
So you agree that it happened, then?

It probably was - but things wear out/get damaged, you know.
This is assuming that there is no original documentation of the moon landings left at all.

Our "knowledge went backwards"??
You mean we "un-learned things"?

So you think that there's something wrong with our technology now and this means that no one ever landed on the moon?
That doesn't make sense.
You previously wrote about eyewitness accounts in the Bible. There are people who are still alive who can, and do, testify that they walked on the moon. Do you think they are lying?

Read the list I posted, above.
Maybe no one has walked on the moon since 1972 - that doesn't mean no one has been TO it/flown past it.
Strong in him no one denies the numerous unmanned missions that have taken place. But they are what they are unmanned flights. Big difference. You then say what has happened has happened with the loss of much of the Apollo data and technology and we can’t go back in a Time Machine to fix it. I would say to that, that this all happened to conveniently considering it should have been a national treasure to humanity. But you go with what you believe. I don’t believe it was an accident. You say it’s probably not possible now to create a moon base. Yet nothing could be further from the truth as NASA is still planning to build a community on the moon as of 2022. Artemis-NASA wwwnasa.gov. So nothing has changed in their many claims of a moon base on the moon only that it continues not to eventuate As to the eye witness accounts of apostles and others living at the time of the Bible well there be thousand’s of papyrus, and other manuscripts and scriptural quotations from the church fathers that gives us a mostly consistent reading of the Bible and what is claimed for well over 2000 yrs later . A big difference when trying to evaluate the Apollo missions.
 
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I never claimed he existed. my claim was that NASA is an anagram for SANTA = Satan without the T.
It's not an anagram then is it - not if a letter's missing.
 
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Satan is an anagram for NASA & also for Santa, and who is SANTA ?

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Satan isn't an anagram of NASA. There is a t in Satan, but not in NASA. "Santa" in "Santa Claus" comes from dialectal Dutch Sante Klaas, from Middle Dutch Sinter Niklaas "Saint Nicholas." And yes, "Santa" happens to use the same letters as "Satan," but so what? "Evil" uses the same letters as "live", but that doesn't mean that everything that lives is evil.
 
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It's not an anagram then is it - not if a letter's missing.

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No 'T' here ^_^
 
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It's not hard to say whether they lied.
Listen to Charles Duke's testimony; do some research and read biographies of other astronauts. Research to see what evidence they had for having been to the moon.
Then make up your own mind.
As I wrote prior there be contradictions in their testimonies more so with seeing stars and not seeing stars . I see no difference in Buzz aldrins testimony and he claims to be a Christian also despite his continuing Masonic association. The evidence being that no one created a moon base after Apollos success and that no one has ever returned to the moon . And all the postponements that continue . Now you believe the testimony of the astronauts I don’t . When we are jumping around upon the moon again as allegedly before then an apology will be forthcoming. But until then NO
 
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Strong in him no one denies the numerous unmanned missions that have taken place. But they are what they are unmanned flights.
No, they were manned by astronauts. Some of the missions were unsuccessful and the astronauts lost their lives.
Good luck with telling their bereaved families that their loved ones were never on those flights.
You then say what has happened has happened with the loss of much of the Apollo data and technology
No, I said that the moon landings happened. That was what was behind my "deal with it" comment.
They took place more than 50 years ago. Whatever we are debating now can't change what happened then.
You say it’s probably not possible now to create a moon base. Yet nothing could be further from the truth NASA is still planning to build a community on the moon as of 2022.
What I meant was that, at one point, NASA may have intended to create a moon base. Either they changed their minds, or didn't have the resources.
That is not proof that no one has ever walked on the moon.
As to the eye witness accounts of apostles and others living at the time of the Bible well our thousand’s of papyrus manuscripts and scriptural quotations from the church fathers gives us a mostly consistent reading of the Bible and what is claimed for well over 2000 yrs later .
Agreed.
But none of the original scrolls and documents now exist. If we were to follow through on your logic; not having the original scrolls means the Bible was never written.
Obviously that's incorrect.
So IF there are no longer any original documents relating to the moon landings, that does not mean that they never happened.
A big difference when trying to evaluate the Apollo missions.
No.
Jesus of Nazareth was born, lived, died and rose again. His life, death and resurrection were recorded and there were eyewitnesses. At some point those accounts, and documents, were put together to make up the Bible. This still exists today - millions of people have at least one copy of it, even though we no longer have the original scrolls.
The moon landings happened. They were documented and there were eyewitnesses. Some of these are still alive. Even if every piece of the original documentation has been lost, there are still people around today who testify that they walked on the moon. Their families can no doubt tell us what it was like to have a husband/father/brother in space, not knowing if they would see them again.
There is eyewitness testimony to the fact that Jesus is alive and changing lives today.
There is eyewitness testimony to the fact that men walked on the moon.
 
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As I wrote prior there be contradictions in their testimonies more so with seeing stars and not seeing stars . I see no difference in Buzz aldrins testimony and he claims to be a Christian also despite his continuing Masonic association.
You're focusing on Buzz Aldrin and completely ignoring what I said about Charles Duke and other Christian astronauts.
 
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Even if every piece of the original documentation has been lost, there are still people around today who testify that they walked on the moon.

Beats me how they could lose such documents, I mean this is their supposed world wide achievement of the century.
 
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Not here. ^_^

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Well, I know you have said that spelling isn't your strong point, but what ever "SAAN" is supposed to spell, it certainly is not "Satan."
 
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Beats me how they could lose such documents, I mean this is their supposed world wide achievement of the century.
I said, even if.
And you missed the bit where I previously said that things wear out - hence my reference to the original Bible scrolls.

I don't know if all the documentation relating to the various moon landings has been lost.
 
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No, they were manned by astronauts. Some of the missions were unsuccessful and the astronauts lost their lives.
Good luck with telling their bereaved families that their loved ones were never on those flights.

No, I said that the moon landings happened. That was what was behind my "deal with it" comment.
They took place more than 50 years ago. Whatever we are debating now can't change what happened then.

What I meant was that, at one point, NASA may have intended to create a moon base. Either they changed their minds, or didn't have the resources.
That is not proof that no one has ever walked on the moon.

Agreed.
But none of the original scrolls and documents now exist. If we were to follow through on your logic; not having the original scrolls means the Bible was never written.
Obviously that's incorrect.
So IF there are no longer any original documents relating to the moon landings, that does not mean that they never happened.

No.
Jesus of Nazareth was born, lived, died and rose again. His life, death and resurrection were recorded and there were eyewitnesses. At some point those accounts, and documents, were put together to make up the Bible. This still exists today - millions of people have at least one copy of it, even though we no longer have the original scrolls.
The moon landings happened. They were documented and there were eyewitnesses. Some of these are still alive. Even if every piece of the original documentation has been lost, there are still people around today who testify that they walked on the moon. Their families can no doubt tell us what it was like to have a husband/father/brother in space, not knowing if they would see them again.
There is eyewitness testimony to the fact that Jesus is alive and changing lives today.
There is eyewitness testimony to the fact that men walked on the moon.
When has any astronaut ever lost their lives on the way to the moon. They haven’t. There . Certainly has been those who lost their lives around earths orbit and upon reentering the earth but none have ever been lost their life on the way to the moon . As to no original manuscripts remaining of course we not have . And we not need the originals because we have thousands of documents ranging from papyrus, manuscripts to church fathers biblical quotations to know what most of the Bible says . There be no contradiction. As but with the moon landings that were almost brought into question from day one . And Strong in him yes we do agree upon the power of Gods word as his truth continues to march on. The mere witness testimony of the apostles has been proven true but not so much that of the astronauts and there be a big difference with biblical documents and how to land on the moon documents that are now claimed as all lost. Strange don’t you think when one claims with the lost documents they were able to land on the moon but strangely they can’t do now . But with the word of God people continue to be saved without the originals . No contradiction at all. My answer is the same . The clock is ticking past 50 yrs and despite all their claims of landing allegedly back on the moon again they continue to fail and to not deliver with technology 10 times better .
 
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I don't know if all the documentation relating to the various moon landings has been lost.

No trace of any telemetry data from the worlds renown moon missions exists according to NASA, The care takers of Mans recorded greatest achievement, Yet its lost? so much is missing? Very strange.

 
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You're focusing on Buzz Aldrin and completely ignoring what I said about Charles Duke and other Christian astronauts.
As I said each testimony is believable be it Buzz’s or Charles Duke and it be you that keeps harping on the Mr Duke as if his testimony be final authority I don’t believe neither of their testimonies be true
 
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