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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

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So I've read.

Andy Ngo however did not.

why attribute a statement made by another to him?
Apologies - I thought you were talking about the OP article. Andy Ngo is not the topic of this thread.
 
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Propaganda is anti-American where as peaceful protesting is pro-American. I've been to several rallies and plan to attend "No Kings". The concept of not having a King as the ruler of this country is the bedrock of this country.
 
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I agree, its not. Pretty much 99% of Americans arw anti-facist. No kings doesn't own that by any means. However No Kings seeks to put out a false narrative. And it attracts other groups that do rhe same with whatever ideology they want to promote.

But mostly its a fake narrative, which of course they arw entitled to do in a free nation. Which shows how its a fake narrative. Because if we were a facist state, No Kings would not be allowed. The protests in Portland would be ruthlessly destroyed as well as the ones in Chicago. So, March away, they arw just proving that they are wrong.
why blatantly straw man?
 
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If that's all he had said, then I might agree with you. But also labelling it the "hate America rally" sends a different message. Protesting the current government's policies does not mean that someone hates America.

We knew Johnson was a Christian Nationalist and a weasel, but now the House GOP leadership has come forward for an authoritarian takeover.
 
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Unfortunately antifa has aligned and intergrated itself into the policies of the left. .... Veteran journalist flips script on media 'running cover' for Antifa violence: 'Anarchist communism'

Andy Ngo was one of the most prominent journalists covering Antifa violence in 2020​

....
Ngo’s family history living under communism is relevant in the conversation today regarding Antifa, the Portland-born journalist told Fox Digital, given the underlying communist beliefs espoused by radical left movements in the United States today..
"For a century now, communists and anarchists, particularly in Europe, have engaged in violent acts that have sparked revolutions and the Antifa today look to those historical examples in the acts of violence they carry out," Ngo said, adding that many "normal" and mainstream liberals in the country are confused by the "deception and misinformation" in the media regarding Antifa.
"If you read the mainstream, one can leave with the impression that these are people who are opposed just to fascism and racism. So why not come on board with that, right?" Ngo explained. "When really the ideology is anarchist communism and violent anarchist-communism a lot of them engage in violence for the purpose of nihilistic violence. They want to see things burnt down. Their own slogan has become ungovernable. So if you care about democracy, liberal democracy in institutions, civil rights…you should not. You cannot be anywhere on the side of advocating or running cover for these so-called Antifa." Veteran journalist flips script on media 'running cover' for Antifa violence: 'Anarchist communism'
You can take this fellows statements with a large grain of salt.
 
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ted thst I was off top7cYou can take this fellows statements with a large grain of salt.
I like salt.
For the record. Someone indicated I was off topic.
The topic pertains to the statement made by the speaker of the house in reference to the 'no kings rally.'

”hate America rally” that would draw “the pro-Hamas wing” and “the antifa people.”

The article I posted in my reply speaks to the infiltration of bad actors such as antifa which Johnson addressed in which he included antifa.

And here is another that addresses the issue.

The head of a national crowd-for-hire firm is warning that America’s protest culture has become a target for exploitation — by paid agitators, profit-driven interest groups and even foreign actors seeking to fuel division.

Adam Swart, CEO of Crowds on Demand, told Fox News Digital that his company has witnessed firsthand how demonstrations can be co-opted by people "making money off chaos" rather than advancing genuine civic causes.

"My concern is that there are forces — some domestic, some maybe foreign — that actually want to pull America apart," Swart said. "These aren’t left or right actors. They’re people making money off chaos."

His remarks come as organizers prepare for the "No Kings" protest, a nationwide demonstration planned for Oct. 18 that is expected to denounce political elitism and government overreach.

The topic is a statement made concerning the upcoming 'no kings' rally.

It is at best disingenous for any attempt to silence comments that you may not like with a simple, 'off topic' accusation.

Johnsons statement should not have included the 'hate America' portion.

Perhaps it would better for democrats to honestly address the issue of infiltration by 'bad players.'

Or simply continue hating those in government that we are commanded to pray for.
 
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For the record. Someone indicated I was off topic.
The topic pertains to the statement made by the speaker of the house in reference to the 'no kings rally.'

”hate America rally” that would draw “the pro-Hamas wing” and “the antifa people.”

The article I posted in my reply speaks to the infiltration of bad actors such as antifa which Johnson addressed in which he included antifa.

And here is another that addresses the issue.

The head of a national crowd-for-hire firm is warning that America’s protest culture has become a target for exploitation — by paid agitators, profit-driven interest groups and even foreign actors seeking to fuel division.

Adam Swart, CEO of Crowds on Demand, told Fox News Digital that his company has witnessed firsthand how demonstrations can be co-opted by people "making money off chaos" rather than advancing genuine civic causes.

"My concern is that there are forces — some domestic, some maybe foreign — that actually want to pull America apart," Swart said. "These aren’t left or right actors. They’re people making money off chaos."

His remarks come as organizers prepare for the "No Kings" protest, a nationwide demonstration planned for Oct. 18 that is expected to denounce political elitism and government overreach.

The topic is a statement made concerning the upcoming 'no kings' rally.

It is at best disingenous for any attempt to silence comments that you may not like with a simple, 'off topic' accusation.

Johnsons statement should not have included the 'hate America' portion.

Perhaps it would better for democrats to honestly address the issue of infiltration by 'bad players.'

Or simply continue hating those in government that we are commanded to pray for.
""The head of a national crowd-for-hire firm is warning that America’s protest culture has become a target for exploitation — by paid agitators, profit-driven interest groups and even foreign actors seeking to fuel division.""

‘No Kings’ protest could attract paid agitators and foreign influence, crowd-for-hire CEO warns​

I would stay away from anything FOXnews and their links of claims that go nowhere.
 
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Propaganda is anti-American where as peaceful protesting is pro-American. I've been to several rallies and plan to attend "No Kings". The concept of not having a King as the ruler of this country is the bedrock of this country.
Thats true. And since we dont have one and the Constitution prohibits it, it seems like a silly thing to rally about.
 
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why blatantly straw man?
Nice try at dismissal. We are free to march and protest something all we want. If we had a facist king or whatever silliness we are protesting no one would be allowed to do so. Its common sense. So, go ahead and march. The fact one can is solid evidence the protest os protesting something that doesn't exist.

One might as well protest the green eyed spaghetti monster for eating all the corn in America.
 
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""The head of a national crowd-for-hire firm is warning that America’s protest culture has become a target for exploitation — by paid agitators, profit-driven interest groups and even foreign actors seeking to fuel division.""

‘No Kings’ protest could attract paid agitators and foreign influence, crowd-for-hire CEO warns​

I would stay away from anything FOXnews and their links of claims that go nowhere.
Again.
Nothing substantial.
Don't read fox.

That is equivalent to me saying, don't read the nyt or wapo etc.

As Prov 18:17 states;
In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines.

I'll continue reading both sides.
 
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One might as well protest the green eyed spaghetti monster for eating all the corn in America.
That is a straw man that you are using to attack people with a belief that is not so incredibly ridiculous . The belief that we are on a slippery slope and we slowly becoming more authoritarian.
 
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Unfortunately antifa has aligned and intergrated itself into the policies of the left. .... Veteran journalist flips script on media 'running cover' for Antifa violence: 'Anarchist communism'

Andy Ngo was one of the most prominent journalists covering Antifa violence in 2020​

....
Ngo’s family history living under communism is relevant in the conversation today regarding Antifa, the Portland-born journalist told Fox Digital, given the underlying communist beliefs espoused by radical left movements in the United States today..
"For a century now, communists and anarchists, particularly in Europe, have engaged in violent acts that have sparked revolutions and the Antifa today look to those historical examples in the acts of violence they carry out," Ngo said, adding that many "normal" and mainstream liberals in the country are confused by the "deception and misinformation" in the media regarding Antifa.
"If you read the mainstream, one can leave with the impression that these are people who are opposed just to fascism and racism. So why not come on board with that, right?" Ngo explained. "When really the ideology is anarchist communism and violent anarchist-communism a lot of them engage in violence for the purpose of nihilistic violence. They want to see things burnt down. Their own slogan has become ungovernable. So if you care about democracy, liberal democracy in institutions, civil rights…you should not. You cannot be anywhere on the side of advocating or running cover for these so-called Antifa." Veteran journalist flips script on media 'running cover' for Antifa violence: 'Anarchist communism'

Edifying, perhaps very edifying, but so what? How is this germane to the OP:

Speaker Mike Johnson on Friday slammed the No Kings protest march scheduled to take place at the National Mall next week, describing the planned protest as the “hate America rally” that would draw “the pro-Hamas wing” and “the antifa people.” His characterizations, however, drew condemnation from some Democrats who defended the protest movement, whose first big demonstration was overwhelmingly peaceful.
 
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