Thus says the Lord

[timothyu]

AI does not agree with you

Ask it what the difference is between the will of man and the will of God.

Based on the search results provided, here’s a breakdown of the differences between the will of man and the will of God:

Will of Man:​

1. Limited and flawed: Human will is bound by sin and selfishness, leading to choices that are often contrary to God’s will (Romans 3:10-18, Ephesians 2:1-3).
2. Free, but enslaved to sin: Humans have the ability to make choices, but their nature determines the choices they make, and they are often unable to please God without divine intervention (Romans 6:17, Galatians 4:8, Hebrews 11:6).
3. Subject to change: Human will can change and be influenced by various factors, including emotions, circumstances, and other people (James 4:17).
4. Not always aligned with God’s plan: Human will can operate independently of God’s plan, leading to choices that may not align with His ultimate purposes (Isaiah 55:8-9).

Will of God:​

1. Sovereign and autonomous: God’s will is not subject to human influence or change; it is absolute and unchanging (Isaiah 46:10, Psalm 115:3).
2. Perfect and holy: God’s will is always righteous and just, reflecting His character (Romans 9:19-21).
3. Predetermined: God’s will is often described as predetermined, with events and outcomes ordained from eternity past (Ephesians 1:4, 2 Timothy 1:9, Acts 2:23).
4. Unfolding His plan: God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes, including salvation, redemption, and restoration (Ephesians 1:10, Revelation 22:20).

Key differences:

• Human will is limited, flawed, and subject to change, whereas God’s will is sovereign, perfect, and unchanging.
• Human will operates independently of God’s plan, whereas God’s will is the means by which He accomplishes His ultimate purposes.
• Human will is influenced by sin and selfishness, whereas God’s will reflects His holy and righteous character.

In summary, the will of man is characterized by limitations, flaws, and subjectivity, whereas the will of God is marked by sovereignty, perfection, and objectivity. While human will can operate independently of God’s plan, God’s will is the ultimate reality that governs all of existence.

I wonder where AI fits it.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) in relation to the will of man and God​

1. AI as a tool: AI can be seen as a tool created by human beings, subject to our will and limitations. As such, AI’s “will” is an extension of human will, reflecting our biases, values, and intentions.
2. AI’s potential: AI has the capacity to amplify human will, both positively and negatively. It can be used to serve humanity and align with God’s will, or it can be misused to further human rebellion against God’s sovereignty.
3. AI’s limitations: AI, like human will, is limited by its programming, data, and understanding. It lacks the capacity for moral agency, consciousness, and spiritual awareness, making it distinct from God’s will.
4. AI’s relationship to God’s will: As a creation, AI is subject to God’s sovereignty and can be used by Him to fulfill His purposes. However, AI’s “will” (if it can be called that) is not a direct reflection of God’s will, but rather an indirect expression of human will, which is ultimately subject to God’s sovereignty.

In summary, the will of man is finite, fallen, and limited, while the will of God is infinite, holy, and sovereign. AI, as a creation, reflects human will and limitations, but its potential and use can be influenced by God’s sovereignty and purpose. Ultimately, AI’s “will” is not a direct expression of God’s will, but rather an indirect reflection of human will, which is subject to God’s sovereign plan.

 

[Diamond72]

I wonder where AI fits it.

You have to feed keywords into AI. You are using the word will but in the Bible the term for people is choice. God has a will, man is given choice.

• Choice and Consequences: Moses emphasizes that the Israelites have a choice between life and death, blessings and curses, which depend on their obedience to God's commandments.
• Health and Sickness: Health and sickness are depicted as direct consequences of either obedience or disobedience to God.
• Responsibility: Individuals and the community are responsible for making choices that align with God's will to receive His blessings.

The Bible includes several passages where God, through His messengers, calls people to choose whom they will serve. One of the most well-known instances is found in the book of Joshua:

Joshua 24:15:​

> "But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord."

In this verse, Joshua challenges the Israelites to make a deliberate choice about their allegiance, emphasizing his own commitment to serving the Lord.

Other Relevant Verses:​

• 1 Kings 18:21: Elijah confronts the people of Israel, saying, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."
• Deuteronomy 30:19: Moses urges the Israelites, "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live."

These passages collectively highlight the importance of making a conscious decision to serve God and commit to His ways.

 

[LoveofTruth]

You have to feed keywords into AI.

Christians only know the spiritual truth but God, not some AI created by men.

this is such folly I can barely speak of it. We do not run to AI for spiritual truth....true believers seek the Lord for all things Without Jesus Christ we can do nothing and the natural man cannot know the things of God, how much more an AI created by natural man.

consider these scriptures and pray

"But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." (1 Corinthians 2:10-15)

 

[Dan Perez]

Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, no one answered; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before My eyes, and chose what displeased Me. Ezekiel 20:25
The prevalent error is in thinking that the Israel visible today is still the chosen of God. Wrong; they un-chose themselves, Matthew 27:25 and now it is every born again Christian, who belongs to the new nation of God's people. Matthew 21:43

With the rapture cult, the initial error is that of separating Israel and the Church, so they could still look for salvation to come to ethnic Israel, as a major tenet of their doctrine: Israel on earth, the Church in heaven. The pre-Trib rapture teaches removal to ensure survival from tribulation, but salvation has always been stated to redeem us from our fallen sinful state, in our earthly situation.

Acts 20:21 I know that when I am gone, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 2 Peter 2:1-3, 2 Timothy 4:3-4

The rapture idea is that God will “save us” from that which must occur – thus equating this supposed removal with salvation. After so many Christians saw the inadequacy and misappropriation of the verses used to promote Pre-Trib, the Post-Trib alternative was then built around surviving the tribulation – thus sustaining the illusion that survival is somehow related to salvation.

A strong delusion is mentioned in the New Testament: 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

This delusion has people looking forward to the 2nd Coming (in the so called rapture to heaven, Pre, Mid, or Post) believing in a rapture removal from the earth. The reality is, we experience His glorious salvation when we enter in to the blessed assurance that Christ’s Death means the penalty for our sin has been paid because of His sacrifice on the Cross. Ever since then, believers must trust in Jesus for their salvation and for their protection during the testing times to come. Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 31:23-24

And if the Lord does not save them, just as has happened to the millions of martyrs in the last 20 centuries, then we must die trusting in His promise of resurrection. Revelation 12:11, Revelation 13:10 Our souls will be kept under the heavenly Altar, Revelation 6:9-11, and Jesus will bring them with Him at His Return, then bring us to life again, to reign with Him for 1000 years. Revelation 20:4

Jesus said: take care that you be not deceived..... Seems that many have been rather careless!
Ref: logostelos.info

And for me , I want to see the PRIMISE and then a CONCLUSION. , and then is it PAULINE , before I check other verses ??

dan p

 

[timothyu]

All nations will turn against one and this ain't it yet. The reckless gods control all nations except one. The soil of the promised land still belongs to God but the inhabitants have a long ways to go to represent Him. A temple will further the rift. The war is between God and His powers who each have a nation. We are but bit players, mindless pawns at present. And for the most part still acting in the ways of the wrong side.

 

[keras]

Here is what God Promises to the apostate Jewish people:

Over the 20 centuries since the time of Jesus Christ’s first coming to earth, the Jewish people have suffered terrible persecutions, pogroms and discrimination.
This fulfils several prophecies – that the Jews will be a curse and objects of derision in the world.
Jeremiah 17:1-4 The sins of Judah are recorded on their hearts, the fire of My anger will burn forever.

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. I shall draw My sword to cut off everyone from South to North.
I will make away with both the righteous and wicked, My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev northward. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Ezekiel 21:10-14 A sword is sharpened for the slaughter, polished to flash like lightning.
Should we rejoice in the sceptre of Judah? No, the sword condemns the Rod of My Son. Cry and wail for it falls on My people – all your rulers will be killed.
Testing will surely come – what if the sceptre of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter.

Verse 14 is highly significant, as it foretells three judgements of the Jewish people:
1/ The Babylonian conquest in 585BC.
2/ The revolt against the Romans, Maccabees to AD 70, when millions were killed.
3/ The final gathering and punishment of the Jewish people in the Land.

At the trial of Jesus, the Jews said in; Matthew 27:25 His blood be on us and our children. In the parable of the King and his servants, Luke 19:14 ..his subjects hated him and said “We don’t want this man to be our King “
Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine that did not want Me for a King, bring them here ( into the Land, as in 1948 ) and slaughter them in My presence.

Matthew 21:38-43 The parable of the vineyard - The wicked tenants said; This is the Heir, come – let us kill him and get the inheritance. The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. He will then rent the vineyard to righteous tenants.
Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, ( Jews ) and given to a people who will bear the proper fruit. (Faithful Christians)

Ezekiel 16:35-62 The Lord is saying how He rescued and tended Judah, but her depraved conduct surpassed even that of her sisters, Samaria ( Israel ) and Sodom

Therefore, you prostitute, because of your brazen excesses, I shall assemble all those around you - whom you loved. I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder.

When I hand you over to them, they will strip you naked. They will punish you with stones and swords, burn down your houses and execute judgement in the sight of many women. You surpassed the sins of your sisters, Samaria and Sodom.

Judah, judged and punished, in the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal devastation of the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14
Jeremiah 8:3 The Lord says to the leaders of Judah; You will be as dung spread over the ground. This wicked race would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14, Luke 19:27

Jeremiah 18:1-10 The Potter and the clay.
v6 House of Israel, I will remould you as a potter would a spoilt pot.
Israel, the Northern 10 tribes, are to be ‘remoulded’. Ezekiel 36:25-28

Jeremiah 19:3 Proclaim to the leaders and citizens of Judah"
v11 I shall smash this people as an earthen vessel is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them.

In the land of Israel today, 42% of the Jewish population are secular ( atheist ) 25% believe in God, but do not actively worship Him and 12% practice Judaism, 8% are the ultra orthodox Haredi Jews. In all the amazing things that have happened to the Jews since 1948 – their resettlement, restored language and wars won, they still do not acknowledge Gods hand in their affairs. He has helped them, for the reason that they are a part of His originally chosen people, but their continued rejection of Jesus and their sinful ways will result in their being virtually wiped out on the Lord’s Day of wrath. Only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

The eventual restoration of a Jewish remnant, in their shame and humiliation. Ezekiel 16:63

Psalms 69:36 The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His name will live there. Psalm 37:7-40
Reference; Revised English bible, some verses abridged.

 

[timothyu]

Only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem.

Yet God's final battle is the sons of God versus God and the nations versus His holy land.

 

[keras]

Cleansing the Land:
Deuteronomy 32:36-42 The Lord will judge His people and have compassion on His servants, for He will see that their strength has gone, all are affected. He will say: where are your false gods, those false idols in which you trusted? Let them be your protection! See now that I, the Lord, am HE – beside Me there is no other God. I hold the power of life and death. I swear: as I live forever that I will sharpen My flashing sword and set My hand to judgement to punish My enemies, then My vengeance will fall upon My foes. I shall make My arrows drunk with blood, My sword will devour flesh, the blood of the slain and the captives along with the enemy leaders.

Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice with His people, you nations, for the Lord will avenge the blood of His servants. He will take vengeance on His enemies and punish all those who hate Him and will cleanse His peoples Land. Jeremiah 12:14

Deuteronomy 33:1-5 This is the blessing that Moses pronounced on the Israelites before his death. The Lord came from Sinai, He appeared and shone out from the South. With Him were multitudes of His holy people, streaming along at His right hand. Truly, He loves His people and blesses His holy ones. They receive instruction, the Law that Moses gave us, as our possession for all Israel. Then, when all the tribal leaders assembled, a leader arose in the Land.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

The Lord will judge his people and have compassion on His servants. His servants; who are now every faithful Christian; people from every race, nation and language. 1 Peter 4:12, Romans 9:24-26,

their strength has gone – Isaiah 17:4-6 & 9 On that Day Israel [now the Christian peoples] will lose their strength and prosperity. On that day, strong cities will be abandoned, like those of your enemies of old that were deserted at the Israelites approach. Cities will be uninhabitable – no food, power or water.

those false idols in which you trusted – people today put their faith in materialism, atheism or a ‘rapture’ escape out of the test all must face. Micah 5:10-15

My vengeance will fall upon My foes – The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times in the Bible. It is the next action of the Lord on earth, which results in the ‘cleansing of the Land’. By the means of His ‘flashing sword ‘, an explosion of the suns surface. Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1,

the enemy leaders – As the enemy leaders prepare their weapons, Psalms 7:12-16, Isaiah 21:2 – Elam & Media = Iran, ‘they are swept away by a whirlwind ‘. Habakkuk 3:14, Psalms 83, Jeremiah 49:35-37

The Lord appears to His people – The Lord’s Right Hand, that is Jesus, Psalms 110, will lead ‘the multitude of His people’, from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 7:9, into all of the Holy Land in the same way as He did for the ancient Israelites. 1 Corinthians 10:4, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Isaiah 49:8-11, Psalms 107

they receive instruction – True prophets and priests will teach them the right Laws and the correct ordinances. Isaiah 66:21, Malachi 2:7

Then a leader arose – Proof that all this happens before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, Ezekiel 40 to 48 Ref: logostelos.info

 

[Dan Perez]

Here is what God Promises to the apostate Jewish people:

Over the 20 centuries since the time of Jesus Christ’s first coming to earth, the Jewish people have suffered terrible persecutions, pogroms and discrimination.
This fulfils several prophecies – that the Jews will be a curse and objects of derision in the world.
Jeremiah 17:1-4 The sins of Judah are recorded on their hearts, the fire of My anger will burn forever.

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. I shall draw My sword to cut off everyone from South to North.
I will make away with both the righteous and wicked, My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev northward. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Ezekiel 21:10-14 A sword is sharpened for the slaughter, polished to flash like lightning.
Should we rejoice in the sceptre of Judah? No, the sword condemns the Rod of My Son. Cry and wail for it falls on My people – all your rulers will be killed.
Testing will surely come – what if the sceptre of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter.

Verse 14 is highly significant, as it foretells three judgements of the Jewish people:
1/ The Babylonian conquest in 585BC.
2/ The revolt against the Romans, Maccabees to AD 70, when millions were killed.
3/ The final gathering and punishment of the Jewish people in the Land.

At the trial of Jesus, the Jews said in; Matthew 27:25 His blood be on us and our children. In the parable of the King and his servants, Luke 19:14 ..his subjects hated him and said “We don’t want this man to be our King “
Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine that did not want Me for a King, bring them here ( into the Land, as in 1948 ) and slaughter them in My presence.

Matthew 21:38-43 The parable of the vineyard - The wicked tenants said; This is the Heir, come – let us kill him and get the inheritance. The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. He will then rent the vineyard to righteous tenants.
Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, ( Jews ) and given to a people who will bear the proper fruit. (Faithful Christians)

Ezekiel 16:35-62 The Lord is saying how He rescued and tended Judah, but her depraved conduct surpassed even that of her sisters, Samaria ( Israel ) and Sodom

Therefore, you prostitute, because of your brazen excesses, I shall assemble all those around you - whom you loved. I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder.

When I hand you over to them, they will strip you naked. They will punish you with stones and swords, burn down your houses and execute judgement in the sight of many women. You surpassed the sins of your sisters, Samaria and Sodom.

Judah, judged and punished, in the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal devastation of the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14
Jeremiah 8:3 The Lord says to the leaders of Judah; You will be as dung spread over the ground. This wicked race would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14, Luke 19:27

Jeremiah 18:1-10 The Potter and the clay.
v6 House of Israel, I will remould you as a potter would a spoilt pot.
Israel, the Northern 10 tribes, are to be ‘remoulded’. Ezekiel 36:25-28

Jeremiah 19:3 Proclaim to the leaders and citizens of Judah"
v11 I shall smash this people as an earthen vessel is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them.

In the land of Israel today, 42% of the Jewish population are secular ( atheist ) 25% believe in God, but do not actively worship Him and 12% practice Judaism, 8% are the ultra orthodox Haredi Jews. In all the amazing things that have happened to the Jews since 1948 – their resettlement, restored language and wars won, they still do not acknowledge Gods hand in their affairs. He has helped them, for the reason that they are a part of His originally chosen people, but their continued rejection of Jesus and their sinful ways will result in their being virtually wiped out on the Lord’s Day of wrath. Only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

The eventual restoration of a Jewish remnant, in their shame and humiliation. Ezekiel 16:63

Psalms 69:36 The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His name will live there. Psalm 37:7-40
Reference; Revised English bible, some verses abridged.

And you said in. Matt 21:43 and is given to FAITHFUL CHRISTIANS , and did. not no v. that there were christians then ??

as Paulb was not yet saved ??

dan p

 

[Lost Witness]

Human will being independent of God's will?
Not sure I follow.

 

[keras]

Human will being independent of God's will?
Not sure I follow.

I think maybe you mean Philippians 2:12-13.....we must work out our own Salvation.....
We have free will, we all choose our own destiny and the Bible is the instruction book for the right way.

 

[Dan Perez]

I think maybe you mean Philippians 2:12-13.....we must work out our own Salvation.....
We have free will, we all choose our own destiny and the Bible is the instruction book for the right way.

And keras. , will you explain what Phil 2:12 means too WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION READY MEANS ??

DAN P

 

[keras]

And keras. , will you explain what Phil 2:12 means too WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION READY MEANS ??

DAN P

I did, in #31.
Your posts are childish, irrelevant and off topic.

 

[Aaron112]

That's rather too general a condemnation. Yes, I am sure there are plenty of people who claim to expound biblical prophecy who are corrupt, but thankfully there are some genuine biblical expositors, expounding the bible (including its prophecies) today.

Where are those who are telling the truth from God allowed to do so without being silenced ? Like Jesus also said - if someone comes in his own name (telling falsehoods), they are gladly accepted ! But who dares listen for Jesus Himself ; who dares follow Jesus today ?

 

[David Lamb]

Where are those who are telling the truth from God allowed to do so without being silenced ? Like Jesus also said - if someone comes in his own name (telling falsehoods), they are gladly accepted ! But who dares listen for Jesus Himself ; who dares follow Jesus today ?

I seek to follow Jesus, and I trust you do too. We are surely not alone in doing so. Incidentally, I was slightly surprised to see your response, as I wrote that post last December. Thanks anyway.

 

[Aaron112]

I seek to follow Jesus, and I trust you do too. We are surely not alone in doing so. Incidentally, I was slightly surprised to see your response, as I wrote that post last December. Thanks anyway.

I don't usually look at the dates of posts - no matter the date, the truth remains the truth. (there may be exceptions, but that's a different matter)
We are not alone, as you say, but few in number; several or many have been silenced in our lifetimes; and many won't visit a forum anywhere because of the ungodly contention and lack of support for the truth, or few seeking truth.

 

[David Lamb]

I don't usually look at the dates of posts - no matter the date, the truth remains the truth. (there may be exceptions, but that's a different matter)
We are not alone, as you say, but few in number; several or many have been silenced in our lifetimes; and many won't visit a forum anywhere because of the ungodly contention and lack of support for the truth, or few seeking truth.

Yes, I agree that many sadly fall into worldly ideas about God, Jesus Christ, salvation, etc. rather than suffer hardship or ridicule for the sake of Christ. Such thoughts make me so grateful to God for the opportunity He has granted me to write a weekly bible message of about 300 words for our local (secular) newspaper.

 

[timothyu]

We can write it, but few seek, and only God can open their minds to realize 2000 years of tradition does not the truth make. We sow seeds but need not expect results. That is His doing using what we have planted if it is worthy.

 

[Aaron112]

We can write it, but few seek, and only God can open their minds to realize 2000 years of tradition does not the truth make. We sow seeds but need not expect results. That is His doing using what we have planted if it is worthy.

As you in Christ know, Abba provides the seed, Abba alone also provides the growth when there is any. The Judgment is terrifying, but few care about that it seems.

 

[keras]

When the Son of Man comes:
Luke 17:29-30 On the day that Sodom was destroyed, fire and sulphur rained upon them and killed them all. It will be like that again when the Son of Man is revealed. Amos 4:11-12
Matthew 24:37-42 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Son of Man comes. In the days before the flood, they ate, drank and married until the day that Noah entered the ark, they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be again when the Son of Man comes. In His vengeance and wrath, not in His glory.
Genesis 9:11-14 My covenant to never again destroy all living creatures by a flood is confirmed by the sign of the rainbow.
Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35 I have sealed in My storehouse, ready for the Day of punishment and vengeance, a fire that will be set ablaze by My anger. It will envelope the world in flames, burning to the depths of the earth. Jeremiah 50:25
Psalm 110:1-6....I shall make Your enemies Your footstool....In glorious majesty, You judge the nations, shattering the wicked throughout the world.

Isaiah 24:18-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish in heaven the host of heaven and on earth the leaders of the nations are caught and punished. The sun and moon will be darkened, for the glory of the Lord will be in Jerusalem and is revealed to the elders of His people.
2 Peter 3:5-7 & 10....the world before Noah was destroyed by a great flood. Now, by God’s Word the present heavens and earth are reserved for burning, kept for the Day of judgement when the godless will be destroyed. That Day will come unexpectedly, the sky will dissipate with a great noise and the earth will be enveloped in flames. All its inhabitants will be tested.
Isaiah 66:1-6 My people are oppressed and afflicted and evil people displease Me, they say: Let the Lord come, we do not believe in Him. Therefore, the noise you can hear is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes. Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27
Matthew 24:40-44 There will be two men in a field, one will be taken the other left, two women at the mill, one will be taken, the other left. Keep awake, therefore for the Lord will come unexpectedly.
Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the godless nations, in His power and majesty, He tramples them in His fury, their blood spills out and splashes His garments.

At the Return He comes in blood splashed garments. As Almighty God, Revelation 16:14
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10...the Day the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire….He will reveal His glory among all believers. Revelation 14:1
What we can understand from the above Bible passages, is that the Day of the Lord, when the Son of Man takes action, is not Jesus’ Return as the Word of God, for the Millennium reign. At the Return: ‘all will see Him’, not as in this Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, where He is not seen: Psalms 18:11, Luke 3:17, but ‘His glory will be revealed to all believers’. 2 Thessalonians 1:10
God promised to ‘never again flood the earth’, but He has ‘stored up a fire that will envelope the earth in flames’, a worldwide judgement/punishment, vividly described by all the prophets.
This terrible fire and devastation will come upon the world unexpectedly, ‘While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, then destruction is upon them’. 1 Thess. 5:3 Huge numbers will be killed by the fire, earthquakes and the resulting famines afterward. Jeremiah 9:22, Isaiah 34:1-8, Ezekiel 30:2-5
The Lord is not seen on that Day, but His people are saved and protected, [not raptured] Isaiah 30:26b, Isaiah 43:2, Zechariah 9:5-16
Then, as in Ezekiel 20:33-38...by My outpoured wrath, [The Day of wrath] I shall bring you out of the nations and gather you back to the Holy Land. The Lord is: ‘Waiting to show you His favour’, and to bless His true believing people as they fulfill the promises to the Patriarchs and their destiny: ‘to be a light to the nations’. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:4-16