False Preachers/Teachers

[BNR32FAN]

According to Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they teach against obeying the Torah.

Paul taught against obeying the Torah. The necessity to be circumcised to enter into God’s covenant, the dietary laws, and observing the sabbaths are just a few examples.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What denomination, if any, are you?

I’m a nondenominational.

 

[BeckyJ]

I’m a nondenominational.

Thanks for answering...I am also.
Have you always been nondenominational?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thanks for answering...I am also.
Have you always been nondenominational?

Yes

 

[timothyu]

Paul taught against obeying the Torah. The necessity to be circumcised to enter into God’s covenant, the dietary laws, and observing the sabbaths are just a few examples.

Was that not strengthening the position of the Jews while telling the other tribes of the House of Israel they need not apply any more? The Jews looked down upon their brethren.

 

[Soyeong]

Paul taught against obeying the Torah. The necessity to be circumcised to enter into God’s covenant, the dietary laws, and observing the sabbaths are just a few examples.

It is either incorrect to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying the Torah (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Torah.

 

[dms1972]

One thing that some Christians end up being perplexed over is the hypothetical "Q" document. I think this is another area of false teaching, but more subtle. The latest Biblical research suggests this document doesn't exist (see for instance Eta Linnemann's books on the topic). Further study suggests the "synoptic problem" so called is the invention of Lessing.

Each of the Evangelists gives his version of the gospel aimed at certain audiences. The four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have been likened to four spotlights:

Thomas Smail has written:

"The dark stage of Calvary is swept by four penetrating Gospel searchlights, each of which picks out a series of sometimes coinciding and sometimes diverging details in a way that builds up the kind of picture of the crucified Christ that each evangelist wants us to see...We defeat their intention if, in the interests of constructing a unified story, we too quickly try to superimpose these pictures upon each other". (Quoted in the Message of the Cross - Bible Speaks Today Series)

 

[bèlla]

because of the popular songs the church sing and yes, pay to sing! Simony anyone?

Are you referring to licensing?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is either incorrect to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying the Torah (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Torah.

Jesus kept the entire Torah. Is circumcision still required to enter into to the New Covenant? Are we still expected to observe the dietary laws and sabbath days?

 

[bèlla]

It is either incorrect to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying the Torah (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Torah.

Why must everyone follow what another does? If torah observance seems right to you then do it. But you can’t lay your preference on others.

~bella

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is either incorrect to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying the Torah (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Torah.

There’s another option, maybe God made a new covenant with new expectations.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Was that not strengthening the position of the Jews while telling the other tribes of the House of Israel they need not apply any more? The Jews looked down upon their brethren.

I don’t understand what you mean. Can you please elaborate?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why must everyone follow what another does? If torah observance seems right to you then do it. But you can’t lay your preference on others.

~bella

Observing the Torah definitely isn’t frowned upon in the scriptures

 

[bèlla]

Observing the Torah definitely isn’t frowned upon in the scriptures

I was responding to his statement not its validity. He’s messianic and most christians aren’t nor do they follow the torah.

~bella

 

[dms1972]

Another false teaching was that of Ludwig Feuerbach. Feuerbach only professed to be a "friend of religion" but he wrote books such as the Essence of Christianity, which gave rise to "christian atheism". Basically he denied God's transcendence, and much of christian doctrine, but kept "christian love". 19th century forms of christianity still linger in some mainline churches. Rationalism can still be present in even congregations that think of themselves as evangelical. I think people can also end up reacting to it and going after the more dramatic and supernaturalistic forms of christianity, or else getting into New Age teachings.

Rejection of the authentic christian supernatural, leads to rationalistic christianity, and then eventually with some writers leads into occult mixtures, eg. the writings of Carl Jung or some of his disciples such as Morton Kelsey who promoted a synthesis of Jungian spirituality and Christian theology, far removed from the more orthodox reflections on Jung in the writings of Father Victor White.

 

[lismore]

Are you referring to licensing?

Hello bella. There are many 'testimonies' of former Christian Contemporary Music artists online who 'deconstructed' or 'came-out', but the most surprising thing is that many secretly deconstructed years before they publicly announced this. The reason they often give is the paycheck, CCM is so lucrative that they don't want to lose the income stream, it's a captive, very uncritical audience.

'Licensing' is a term it hides behind, but monetizing the worship of God is the modus operandi.

Acts 8:20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!"

Jesus drove out the money changers in the temple, selling indulgences provoked the Reformation. IMHO it's high time some of the faithful stood up to those charging money for the worship of God.

God Bless You

 

[bèlla]

Hello bella. There are many 'testimonies' of former Christian Contemporary Music artists online who 'deconstructed' or 'came-out', but the most surprising thing is that many secretly deconstructed years before they publicly announced this. The reason they often give is the paycheck, CCM is so lucrative that they don't want to lose the income stream, it's a captive, very uncritical audience.

'Licensing' is a term it hides behind, but monetizing the worship of God is the modus operandi.

There’s probably things in their contract they’re not admitting. Especially pertaining to copyright. Musicians don’t have as much control as you might assume nor do they own their music until they buy the masters. Prince addressed the problem and advised artists not to sign. The label owns your name and likeness.

This isn’t a situation where that’s the lone option available. They’re choosing music under those terms and I wouldn’t consider it simony. Nor do I believe christians are obligated to make their products and services free of use for the church. It‘s a 501c3 entity that benefits from numerous loopholes. The laborer is worthy of his wages and I wouldn’t expect anyone to forgo that right unless it‘s their decision.

~bella

 

[lismore]

There’s probably things in their contract they’re not admitting. Especially pertaining to copyright. Musicians don’t have as much control as you might assume nor do they own their music until they buy the masters. Prince addressed the problem and advised artists not to sign. The label owns your name and likeness.

This isn’t a situation where that’s the lone option available. They’re choosing music under those terms and I wouldn’t consider it simony. Nor do I believe christians are obligated to make their products and services free of use for the church. It‘s a 501c3 entity that benefits from numerous loopholes. The laborer is worthy of his wages and I wouldn’t expect anyone to forgo that right unless it‘s their decision.

~bella

Hello bella! Good to hear from you, I hope you're well. Your comment about contracts is perhaps the point I'm making. Christian Contemporary Music is too worldly. It's more worldly than the world.

In a situation where a worship leader 'deconstructs' in secret because they don't want to lose the income stream. The church now has a worship leader (an important Spiritual position) who is an Atheist, could be any other religion, could be in a SS relationship or relationships but is masquerading as a believer, putting on a facade, a disguise, a deception. The church has little discernment, as long as the 'music' is hip enough they'll be naive enough to gyrate along because it's the experience they're looking for, the musical manipulation techniques that people confuse for 'anointing'. Character and truth are out the window.

The bible says that Satan himself can masquerade as an angel of light and the wolf in sheep's clothing that Jesus warned about has that sheep's clothing as a disguise. Popularity is a warning sign, not a recommendation. Jesus said that his teaching and his followers would not be popular, they would be persecuted!

IMHO Christian Contemporary Music is one of the main avenues that is being used to deceive and undermine the church in today's world.

God Bless You

 

[bèlla]

In a situation where a worship leader 'deconstructs' in secret because they don't want to lose the income stream. The church now has a worship leader (an important Spiritual position) who is an Atheist, could be any other religion, could be in a SS relationship or relationships but is masquerading as a believer, putting on a facade, a disguise, a deception.

The deconstruction term is unfamiliar but given your feedback it’s obviously bad. There’s quite a few homosexual christian artists and worship leaders too. I don’t understand it but I recall a sermon from Pastor Darby many years ago about this issue and others like politics that would become problematic. He explained how the music defiled the altar and who you’re worshiping as a result.

The church has little discernment, as long as the 'music' is hip enough they'll be naive enough to gyrate along because it's the experience they're looking for, the musical manipulation techniques that people confuse for 'anointing'. Character and truth are out the window.

The church’s lack of discernment is troubling and I don’t see an end in sight. I’m not saying every apple is bad but it’s honestly exhausting and the frequency is equally so.

Popularity is a warning sign, not a recommendation. Jesus said that his teaching and his followers would not be popular, they would be persecuted!

I don’t think it’s necessarily a warning sign always. Some personalities are more welcoming than others and draw people in. Where we err is allowing their popularity to influence our opinion without doing our homework.

IMHO Christian Contemporary Music is one of the main avenues that is being used to deceive and undermine the church in today's world.

God Bless You

Nevertheless we’re still accountable and that’s what’s missing in the thread. If someone deceives me they bear responsibility for doing so. But I’m equally responsible for being uninformed, my naïveté, lack of research and what have you. I can’t lay the blame on them entirely and that’s especially true when it comes to religion.

This isn’t ancient times and we have resources at our disposal. No one is forced to follow anyone or heed their teachings and if you do it’s a choice and you have to address your susceptibility. It’s no different than a cult in respect to its appeal. The question we have to ask ourselves is what am I responding to? There’s a reason it resonates and much like we’ve seen with cults there’s usually an emotional element and belonging comes to mind.

Many people are drawn to christianity because of that and value the ideals of family and togetherness. Which isn’t bad. But if left unchecked you’ll be more susceptible to manipulation because you’re dealing with strangers. Some are too trusting and embrace others without knowing their character. We have to exercise wisdom and prudence,

Always a pleasure.

~bella

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I have come into contact with individuals who can accurately tell you how to be saved, but contradict or lie about other parts of the Bible. I believe false teacher can go beyond distorting the Gospel.

One person I classify a false teacher is Lori Alexander. She doesn't promote Christianity, she promotes Patriarchy and traditionalism. She is very clever with distorting the Bible; she deceived me at one point! I was at the point where I no longer wanted a husband, if it meant obeying him, being controlled by him, and having to go to him instead of God; I felt like God was being replaced.

Another one isn't a person, but a group - Christian Identity. I found them on Gab. They are very evil people. One of the things they say is that only white people can go to Heaven. Anyone that promotes Christian Identity is not of God, but of the Devil.

As ironic as it sounds, our identification of "Christian Identity" as being a heretical group is easy because it's been known for quite some time that they are actually an extremist group, akin to the KKK. In fact, I remember researching them for a university paper I had to write for a class way back in 1987, and they were not only a 'cult' group, but known for their racism and such.

So, putting them on our list here is a no-brainer in comparison to some of the other individuals or groups we are tossing in the air for mutual evaluation.