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DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence

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Donald Trump Warns Americans ‘Won’t Have a Country’ If He Loses in November.
Can one get anymore fearmongering than that?
Well yes. We just seen a "murder" of Charley Kirk" we seen a celebration of that "murder". So absolutely it already had been about as fearmongering as it could get. And it seems some want that to continue, instead of having other views considered.
 
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That doesn't really matter.
The problem right here!
The study found the "right" conclusion. Ergo, many will believe it's absolutely, 100% flawless, without even reading it, because those people who live in a constant fog of confirmation bias.
Not when opposing views are able to freely speak.. to each other...
 
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That doesn't really matter. The study found the "right" conclusion. Ergo, many will believe it's absolutely, 100% flawless, without even reading it, because those people who live in a constant fog of confirmation bias.

The most consistently reported fact about political violence that has been true since Trump's first term is that right wing political murders and events have far outpaced the left. This has been the case in (I believe) every discussion on the topic.


That one study gets pulled doesn't change the yearly studies that have had the same result since the middle teens....and frankly, it looks suspicious.
 
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Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.
This is the claim at the beginning of the study in question. Anyone who exhibits critical thinking skills should immediately have some questions:
  • What is the definition of "far-right"?
  • What is the definition of "far-left"?
  • What criteria were used to determine if an event was deemed to be "ideologically motivated"?
  • What was the distribution of those events over the time-period studied?
And that's just off the top of my head.
 
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The report was removed for being unfactual.
The study found the "right" conclusion.
The study found that the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism and those on the far-right have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left extremists or radical Islamist extremists. These are undisputed facts and they can't be changed or hidden.
 
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The study found that the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism and those on the far-right committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left extremists or radical Islamist extremists. These are undisputed facts and they can't be changed or hidden.
It was removed, by them, for being disputable.
 
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  • What is the definition of "far-right"?
  • What is the definition of "far-left"?
The study cited the PIRUS dataset which defined the terms as follows:

Far-right - There exists a broad range of far-right beliefs and actors (often overlapping movements), including both reactionary and revolutionary justifications of violence. In its modern manifestation in the United States, the ideology of the far-right is generally exclusivist and favors social hierarchy, seeking an idealized future favoring a particular group, whether this group identity is racial, pseudo-national (e.g., the Texas Republic) or characterized by individualistic traits (e.g., survivalists). The extremist far-right commonly shows antipathy to the political left and the federal government. As a result of this heterodoxy, this category includes radical individuals linked to extremist religious groups (e.g., Identity Christians), non-religious racial supremacists (e.g., Creativity Movement, National Alliance), tax protesters, sovereign citizens, militias, and militant gun rights advocates.

Far-left - The far-left in the United States is essentially class-oriented and consists primarily of individuals and groups that adhere to belief systems based on egalitarianism and the mobilization of disenfranchised segments of the population. With roots in the leftist student movement and radical prison reform movement of the late 1960s, traditional far-left extremists generally sought the overthrow of the capitalist system, including the United States government, in order to replace it with a new, anti-imperialist economic order that empowers members of the “working class”. The traditional left included groups that maintained a distinct racial identity (e.g., Black Panther Party), which were motivated by a mix of economic grievances and race-based issues. Today, the far-left is more commonly identified by followers of animal-rights and environmental protection issues. While not all animal rights or environmental groups are inherently leftist in orientation (for instance, there are Green Fascists), the vast majority of these individuals and groups identify with leftist political positions and have thus been included in the far-left category for the purposes of this project.

What criteria were used to determine if an event was deemed to be "ideologically motivated"?
In order to be eligible for inclusion, each individual must meet at least one of the following five criteria:

  • Arrested/Charged: The individual was arrested for committing an ideologically-motivated crime. This includes arrests or their equivalents outside the United States.
  • Indicted: The individual was indicted for an ideologically motivated crime. This includes indictments or their equivalents outside the United States.
  • Killed in Action: The individual was killed as a result of his/her ideological activities. This includes being killed during the commission of an attack, including suicide, being killed during an attempted arrest/detaining by security forces, being targeted by security forces (even if not the primary target), and being killed in an unmanned aerial vehicle strike.
  • Member of Designated Terrorist Organization (DTO): The individual is or was a member of a terrorist organization designated by the United States Department of State. Note: "Member" is defined broadly. This includes official members, individuals that the US government or another government claimed were members of a DTO (even if the group itself did not acknowledge the membership), and individuals which credible media sources link to the group (but not those based on pure speculation). It also includes individuals who claim membership in a DTO even if the group itself did not acknowledge membership.
  • Violent Extremist Group Association (VEGA): The individual is or was associated with an extremist organization whose leader(s) or founder(s) has/have been indicted for an ideologically motivated violent offense. Note: "Association" is defined broadly. This includes official membership, membership claimed by a government, and self-identified association (even if the group does not acknowledge it). It also includes active participation in group activities, such as protests and newsletter subscriptions. "Association" does not include less active participation in group activities, such as signing a petition or listening to a speaker from the group at a public event.

In addition, each individual must:

  • have radicalized in the United States,
  • have espoused or currently espouse ideological motives, and
  • show evidence that his or her behaviors are/were linked to the ideological motives he or she espoused/espouses.
 
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Why was it deleted? Because it was faulty? You just assume fault without discussing the why...Cic they do right or wrong to remove it?
It's the same kind of report that was conducted back during the Bush admin by the Bush DOJ, and the GOP had a heart attack.
It's the same as this FBI testimony from 2002, that was also deleted.
Do you not remember the Tim McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombing?
Do you not remember all the church and temple shootings?
Do you not remember the kidnapping attempt of the Gov of Mich?
Do you not remember those J6th militia groups entering the capital in stack formation and zip ties?
It's not faulty at all.

It's just a trend with the current admin to purge all science and reports that don't conform with their alternative reality.
 
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The study cited the PIRUS dataset which defined the terms as follows:

Far-right - There exists a broad range of far-right beliefs and actors (often overlapping movements), including both reactionary and revolutionary justifications of violence. In its modern manifestation in the United States, the ideology of the far-right is generally exclusivist and favors social hierarchy, seeking an idealized future favoring a particular group, whether this group identity is racial, pseudo-national (e.g., the Texas Republic) or characterized by individualistic traits (e.g., survivalists). The extremist far-right commonly shows antipathy to the political left and the federal government. As a result of this heterodoxy, this category includes radical individuals linked to extremist religious groups (e.g., Identity Christians), non-religious racial supremacists (e.g., Creativity Movement, National Alliance), tax protesters, sovereign citizens, militias, and militant gun rights advocates.

Far-left - The far-left in the United States is essentially class-oriented and consists primarily of individuals and groups that adhere to belief systems based on egalitarianism and the mobilization of disenfranchised segments of the population. With roots in the leftist student movement and radical prison reform movement of the late 1960s, traditional far-left extremists generally sought the overthrow of the capitalist system, including the United States government, in order to replace it with a new, anti-imperialist economic order that empowers members of the “working class”. The traditional left included groups that maintained a distinct racial identity (e.g., Black Panther Party), which were motivated by a mix of economic grievances and race-based issues. Today, the far-left is more commonly identified by followers of animal-rights and environmental protection issues. While not all animal rights or environmental groups are inherently leftist in orientation (for instance, there are Green Fascists), the vast majority of these individuals and groups identify with leftist political positions and have thus been included in the far-left category for the purposes of this project.


In order to be eligible for inclusion, each individual must meet at least one of the following five criteria:

  • Arrested/Charged: The individual was arrested for committing an ideologically-motivated crime. This includes arrests or their equivalents outside the United States.
  • Indicted: The individual was indicted for an ideologically motivated crime. This includes indictments or their equivalents outside the United States.
  • Killed in Action: The individual was killed as a result of his/her ideological activities. This includes being killed during the commission of an attack, including suicide, being killed during an attempted arrest/detaining by security forces, being targeted by security forces (even if not the primary target), and being killed in an unmanned aerial vehicle strike.
  • Member of Designated Terrorist Organization (DTO): The individual is or was a member of a terrorist organization designated by the United States Department of State. Note: "Member" is defined broadly. This includes official members, individuals that the US government or another government claimed were members of a DTO (even if the group itself did not acknowledge the membership), and individuals which credible media sources link to the group (but not those based on pure speculation). It also includes individuals who claim membership in a DTO even if the group itself did not acknowledge membership.
  • Violent Extremist Group Association (VEGA): The individual is or was associated with an extremist organization whose leader(s) or founder(s) has/have been indicted for an ideologically motivated violent offense. Note: "Association" is defined broadly. This includes official membership, membership claimed by a government, and self-identified association (even if the group does not acknowledge it). It also includes active participation in group activities, such as protests and newsletter subscriptions. "Association" does not include less active participation in group activities, such as signing a petition or listening to a speaker from the group at a public event.

In addition, each individual must:

  • have radicalized in the United States,
  • have espoused or currently espouse ideological motives, and
  • show evidence that his or her behaviors are/were linked to the ideological motives he or she espoused/espouses.

Thank you for that.

The fact that the definitions for "far-right" and "far-left" are a paragraph each goes to show that the terms are not easily defined. Therefore, classification of a perpetrator being "far-right" or "far-left" is rather subjective. For example, how would one classify a militant gun rights advocate who has economic and race-based grievances?

Take the Charlie Kirk shooter. Here you have a guy who apparently was all for gun rights, but also was for trans-gender rights. Was this a "far-right" or a "far-left" act of political violence? For most people, it depends on what you want to believe is true. if you're on the right, you point to his transgender rights agenda. If you're on the left, you point to the fact he was raised in a conservative home around guns. Both sides can make a case that he was a far-(fill-in-the-blank) extremist.

The point I'm making is that your claim that this study is "indisputable" is nonsense. As the definitions make clear, there is all kinds of subjectivity in this study, and reasonable people can debate its conclusions.
 
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Well yes. We just seen a "murder" of Charley Kirk" we seen a celebration of that "murder". So absolutely it already had been about as fearmongering as it could get. And it seems some want that to continue, instead of having other views considered.
That is nothing new and the celebration of deaths predate the death of Kirk.
We seen the beating of Mr Pelosi with a hammer, and that was just as memed and celebrated.
We seen the deaths of two Democrat state senators, were you or Trump talking about those as being the end of the country and yammering about fearmongering?
 
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How do you know this? Neither the NIJ nor the DOJ has stated why the study was removed.
What is your source for this?
It's something I came across but I didn't archive the link and I'm not going to go hunting for it. So I'll change what I said to... it's a forgone conclusion NIJ pulled it because they discovered problems in the research and or conclusions.
 
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It's something I came across but I didn't archive the link and I'm not going to go hunting for it. So I'll change what I said to... it's a forgone conclusion NIJ deleted it because they discovered problems in the research and or conclusions.
It's not a forgone conclusion, it's an opinion. There’s no evidence that the study was removed from the site for being disputable or faulty.
 
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It's not a forgone conclusion, it's an opinion. There’s no evidence that the study was removed from the site for being disputable or faulty.
It's cognitive dissonance.
Be it justice reports, climate reports, health reports, hell, even head-start program reports; if doesn't comport with their political views, then it is purged.
 
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We seen the beating of Mr Pelosi with a hammer, and that was just as memed and celebrated.

I don't recall seeing social media awash with celebrations about Mr. Pelosi being beaten with a hammer, although I'm sure there were some outliers. I think your statement of it being "just as memed and celebrated" is misleading.
 
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It's cognitive dissonance.
Be it justice reports, climate reports, health reports, hell, even head-start program reports; if doesn't comport with their political views, then it is purged.

You don't seem to understand what the term "cognitive dissonance" means. What you're really talking about is "confirmation bias", and the right certainly doesn't have a monopoly on that.
 
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I don't recall seeing social media awash with celebrations about Mr. Pelosi being beaten with a hammer, although I'm sure there were some outliers. I think your statement of it being "just as memed and celebrated" is misleading.
Donald Trump Jr and Elon Musk I remember off the top of my head.
 
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You don't seem to understand what the term "cognitive dissonance" means. What you're really talking about is "confirmation bias", and the right certainly doesn't have a monopoly on that.
No. Two contradictory views where one believe is dealt with by just outright denying it, as in deleting it from record.
 
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