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DOJ Quietly Deletes Study After Charlie Kirk's Death That Says Right-Wing Extremists Engage in 'Far More' Political Violence

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There is no conspiracy theory to this. They just purge and delete facts, science, and basically reality when it doesn't suit them.
See post 18. It's "well we won't have a covid problem if we just stop testing."
And yes, I do read government websites.
They are a source of education, but when that org loves the poorly educated, the poorly educated are indifferent about data.
Sounds like they're correcting the Biden era policy of coming up with problems that don't really exist.
 
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If the jobs number revisions are an example of statistic issues in other agencies, then there might be reasons for doubt. The timeline of the job revisions goes back to April 2024. The former questionably cognizant POTUS bragged about a smooth economy with steady employment which was probably untrue.

At the beginning of August 2025, the Trump administration was basically trusting the employment data to support its tariff policy, Within a couple days, the statistics were radically adjusted. Trump raged about the timing of the revisions not the actual figures.

Up to Election Day Nov 2024, the previous administration could get away with pretending the economy was strong. Trump tried to play a similar game going into August 2025 & the number crunchers suddenly said everything is way worse than it seems stretching further back in 2024 than previously understood.


 
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The report that is now archived is dated January 4, 2024


The left wing Brennan Center for Justice posted on January 24, 2024 that the DOJ had failed to provide adequate info on the scope of domestic terrorism.




I wonder where jihadist US domestic terrorism is also studied?


 
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If the jobs number revisions are an example of statistic issues in other agencies, then there might be reasons for doubt.
That isn’t true. The jobs report gets revised a few times because it’s based on surveys and a lot of the answers come in too late to make it into the first version of the report. The report in the op isn’t based on self-reporting that has to meet a quarterly deadline.
 
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The left wing Brennan Center for Justice posted on January 24, 2024 that the DOJ had failed to provide adequate info on the scope of domestic terrorism.
This has been a problem for many years. The Brennan Center has been arguing that right-wing terrorism is being underreported for more than a decade. For example, the 2015 Charleston church shooting and the 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting were both prosecuted as hate crimes rather than terrorism and were therefore not included in the NIJ and DOJ reports as right-wing domestic terrorism. Below are some excerpts from a 2018 report:

Within the field of domestic terrorism, the Justice Department has a history of minimizing far-right violence while aggressively targeting minority activists and far-left protest movements. The latter group has engaged in civil disobedience and vandalism but statistically has presented a much lower danger to human life, which is a key element of the federal definition of terrorism. In 2005, for example, the FBI declared ecoterrorists the number-one domestic threat, despite not a single fatal attack in the United States attributable to protest groups that the government deems “environmental extremists.”

Domestic terrorism is a blind spot in the Justice Department’s counterterrorism strategy because the government does not collect reliable data to accurately assess the scope or nature of the threat this violence poses to Americans. As explained above, EOUSA data is often unreliable and remains far from comprehensive. Other data that the government collects is often flawed, miscategorized, and incomplete.

In the absence of accurate data from the federal government, academic institutions, advocacy organizations, and think tanks have attempted to gather data from media sources and court records to get a picture of the domestic terrorism threat. Each entity uses its own definitions of what constitutes a terrorist attack, varying from vandalism to mass murder. They often characterize the nature of ideological movements differently and cover different time periods, resulting in strikingly divergent data sets that make any comparisons or comprehensive assessments of the various threats exceedingly difficult.

Despite these limitations, two facts become clear: First, when using the most salient measurement based on the federal statutory definition of terrorism as acts harmful to human life — i.e., the number of resulting fatalities — it becomes clear that far-right violence poses as great or greater a threat than any other form of terrorism. Second, hate crimes — in the form of racist, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic, homophobic, and anti-immigrant violence—are severely under-addressed by federal law enforcement.




I wonder where jihadist US domestic terrorism is also studied?
Below are links to a couple of recent studies on jihadist domestic terrorism. The information at the first link is updated regularly and records information on attacks shortly after they occur.

Terrorism Cases: 2001–Today

Jihadist Terrorism in the United States
 
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"well we won't have a covid problem if we just stop testing."
Exactly. There's tons of unnecessary testing showing results for even asymptomatic Covid, making it look much worse than it really is at this point. It seems like the left really wants to cling onto Covid still being a serious pandemic.
 
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Exactly. There's tons of unnecessary testing showing results for even asymptomatic Covid, making it look much worse than it really is at this point. It seems like the left really wants to cling onto Covid still being a serious pandemic.
If you don't have the testing and data to track a world wide pandemic, then one is going to be woefully and blindly ignorant come that pandemic.
I understand there will always be a segment of society who find comfort in ignorance.
I understand there is a segment of society who when faced cognitive dissonance come those factual data points, in response will find comfort in that dissonance by burying and deleting those reports.
 
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If you don't have the testing and data to track a world wide pandemic, then one is going to be woefully and blindly ignorant come that pandemic.
I understand there will always be a segment of society who find comfort in ignorance.
I understand there is a segment of society who when faced cognitive dissonance come those factual data points, in response will find comfort in that dissonance by burying and deleting those reports.
It's over with, put away the mask and let it go.
 
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It's over with, put away the mask and let it go.
Yes it is, kind of. Thanks to testing and the science that now under RFKjr is being purged and book cooked.
We are biological beings who throughout history have had, and will continue to have pandemics of some sort or another.
To undermine that by de-funding vaccine development through book cooking will only hurt everyone.
 
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Sounds like they're correcting the Biden era policy of coming up with problems that don't really exist.

Seriously, it must be SOOO comforting to live in a world like this.
 
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Yes it is, kind of. Thanks to testing and the science that now under RFKjr is being purged and book cooked.
We are biological beings who throughout history have had, and will continue to have pandemics of some sort or another.
To undermine that by de-funding vaccine development through book cooking will only hurt everyone.
Stop it, you scaring me :yawn:
 
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Yes. Your perception of that is EXACTLY what I mean.
We don't need a world where everyone buys into fearmongering so that they will all vote for the fearmongers promising to fix what they're fearmongering over.
 
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We don't need a world where everyone buys into fearmongering so that they will all vote for the fearmongers promising to fix what they're fearmongering over.
You were not paying attention to Trump's campaign if you actually believe that.


We need a world where we can just claim that facts we don't like don't exist and so when the government removes them, we can feel comfortable again.
 
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You were not paying attention to Trump's campaign if you actually believe that.


We need a world where we can just claim that facts we don't like don't exist and so when the government removes them, we can feel comfortable again.
The report was removed for being unfactual. There are so-called facts that aren't really facts that are therefore being eliminated for obvious reasons. In spite of them being pet unfactual facts of the left. "It's not fair for them to take that away from us!" - the left.
 
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You were not paying attention to Trump's campaign if you actually believe that.


We need a world where we can just claim that facts we don't like don't exist and so when the government removes them, we can feel comfortable again.
Donald Trump Warns Americans ‘Won’t Have a Country’ If He Loses in November.
Can one get anymore fearmongering than that?
 
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The U.S. Department of Justice appears to have quietly removed information online regarding right-wing violence following the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
As of Friday, Sept. 12, a 2024 study titled “What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism” no longer appears on the DOJ website under President Donald Trump's administration. However, it is still viewable as an archived post on Wayback Machine. “Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism,” the first two lines of the study read. The study went on to say, “Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.”--HERE
No matter how much gaslighting the Trump admin and the right may invoke, that is the reality.
I mean exactly how many liberal radicals militias are out there in the woods playing army in preparation of a revolution?
But kind of like climate change and science itself, anything the Trump admin doesn't like gets deleted from government websites.
They are literally whitewashing reality.
Why was it deleted? Because it was faulty? You just assume fault without discussing the why...Cic they do right or wrong to remove it?
 
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Why was it deleted? Because it was faulty? You just assume fault without discussing the why...Cic they do right or wrong to remove it?

That doesn't really matter. The study found the "right" conclusion. Ergo, many will believe it's absolutely, 100% flawless, without even reading it, because those people who live in a constant fog of confirmation bias.
 
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