ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

[Servus]

I'll trade you Stephen King for one of your celebrities of equivalent stature. Maybe JK Rowling or Kid Rock. We can bum a rocket off of Elmo and launch them both into the sun.

Who did they trash right after that person was politically assassinated?

 

[RDKirk]

I'm aware of the full context of what he originally said. I've read the whole conversation. The video clip was him trying to double down on that. Effectively saying that an airline would employ a less qualified person, a less able pilot purely on the basis of their colour.

That is abject nonsense and we all know that.

What DEI does in this case is to give more people the opportunity to qualify. It increases the number of people who try to become pilots. And basic common sense will tell you that that will raise standards. Any given airline is going to take the best of any given group.

That's what Affirmative Action would do. Under Affirmative Action the black pilot would actually have to qualify at least to the standards of white pilots...if not a bit more, because "White Privilege" is actually a thing, and particularly was when that black male pilot started his journey.

DEI would do more and differently for a more specific outcome. DEI would require standards to be "adjusted" to make sure of a positive outcome. But DEI hasn't actually done much for blacks in general and not for black men in particular, so the odds that DEI gained his position are zero to none.

Statistics show that black people in general and black men in particular have been less benefited by DEI policies than any other group...less even than white men.

 

[Chesterton]

The first important difference is that one is backed by legislation and one is not.

Agreed, but being backed by legislation doesn't necessarily mean it's morally right, or effective.

The second important difference is that one is based very specifically on Marxist Critical Theory and one is not, which absolutely changes their intended outcomes.

Agreed.

 

[RDKirk]

Agreed, but being backed by legislation doesn't necessarily mean it's morally right, or effective.

It does mean, however, that one was approved by the officials elected by the people and one was not.

I was around and remember specifically why Affirmative Action was necessary. You apparently do not.

Agreed.

Then you must understand the difference and are merely being disingenuous.

 

[Bradskii]

That's what Affirmative Action would do. Under Affirmative Action the black pilot would actually have to qualify at least to the standards of white pilots...if not a bit more, because "White Privilege" is actually a thing, and particularly was when that black male pilot started his journey.

DEI would do more and differently for a more specific outcome. DEI would require standards to be "adjusted" to make sure of a positive outcome.

I think a lot of people use the terms to mean the same thing. There's some grey areas there so I can understand that. I'm sure I've used one term when the other would be more applicable.

Having said that, as per the article I just posted, the airlines don't drop standards for minorities so that more of them can get on board. That's not to say that they don't drop standards at all. They did after covid because there was a limited number of pilots available. So maybe the minimum number of hours required to get to First Officer was dropped. But it wasn't dropped for black guys and maintained for white ones.

And again, I keep emphasising this, Kirk wasn't stupid. He knew that.

 

[FireDragon76]

In other news. Steven Bonnell, a/k/a Destiny, has been banned from Twitch. Hasan Piker needs to be next. He and Destiny have been calling for violence against conservatives for years. Freedom of speech does not include calls for violence.

I've followed Destiny and never heard him advocate for political violence against conservative people.

Despite the blunt tone Destiny used, I think it's generally true that having Trump in office has indirectly promoted the kinds of political violence we have seen in the past decade. Trump promotes extremist ideas and extremist individuals around him, so it's not surprising that more people feel the symbolic weight of that, a kind of changing of norms that doesn't just change the overton window, it erodes faith in the dependability of institutions.

 

[Chesterton]

In which case then white guys are obviously better flyers than women or Asians or blacks because they are over represented. Which is quite frankly...nonsense.

Why is that nonsense?

There are obviously reasons why women, Asians, Latinos, Blacks etc aren't taking flying lessons in the first place.

What are the reasons?

Now, some people will argue that “I want the best pilots, regardless of the color of their skin.” I hear you, and I completely agree. What that misses is that these academies aren’t hiring pilots, they’re accepting people who want to train to become pilots.

Doesn't every pilot training academy accept people who want to become pilots? Doesn't every technical school accept everyone who wants to become electricians or mechanics?

 

[Bradskii]

Why is that nonsense?

Is that a serious question? Why would your average white guy be a better flyer than your average black guy? What does your ethnic background have to do with your ability to land a plane?

What are the reasons?

I'd guess that money would be a factor. Some key facts from here: Black Americans Earn 30% Less Than White Americans, While Black Households Have Just One-Eighth Wealth Of White Households

Black workers in the U.S. earn on average, 30%, or $10,000, less than white workers, McKinsey found.

Nearly half of Black workers are employed in the healthcare, retail, accommodation and food service industries with the “vast majority” in lower-paying service roles instead of professional or managerial roles.

The annual median wage of all U.S. workers is about $42,000, 43% of Black workers earn less than $30,000 per year, highlighting how they are overrepresented in low-paying jobs.

While Black Americans are underrepresented in high-paying professions; only 5% of physicians are Black, and just 4.5% of software developers are Black.

Black entrepreneurs, on average, launch their businesses with $35,000 in startup capital and loans, versus an average of $107,000 for White entrepreneurs.

The median Black household has a net worth of about $24,000, or about one-eighth the figure of $188,000 for white households.

Doesn't every pilot training academy accept people who want to become pilots? Doesn't every technical school accept everyone who wants to become electricians or mechanics?

If they can afford it, for sure. Black pilots are significantly under represented. We can bounce a few posts back and forth debating why that is so, but the fact is undeniable.

And why it is so is also irrelevant to the case in point. Which is Kirk's comments, insinuating that standards were lowered for minorities. Which we know is abject nonsense.

 

[BPPLEE]

That's what Affirmative Action would do. Under Affirmative Action the black pilot would actually have to qualify at least to the standards of white pilots...if not a bit more, because "White Privilege" is actually a thing, and particularly was when that black male pilot started his journey.

DEI would do more and differently for a more specific outcome. DEI would require standards to be "adjusted" to make sure of a positive outcome. But DEI hasn't actually done much for blacks in general and not for black men in particular, so the odds that DEI gained his position are zero to none.

Statistics show that black people in general and black men in particular have been less benefited by DEI policies than any other group...less even than white men.

Im not disputing anything in your post I’m just curious how white men benefit from DEI? Are they LGBTQ white men ?

 

[MrMoe]

No surprise that those on the left are losing their minds now that the “cancel culture” pendulum is swinging in the right’s favor.

They’ve conveniently forgotten the phrase “Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences”. Which used to be one of their favorite phrases to use whenever someone on the right got “cancelled”.

 

[MrMoe]

I've followed Destiny and never heard him advocate for political violence against conservative people.

A recent comment of his on Piers Morgan: “You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events…” Stochastic terrorism.

 

[Bradskii]

I've followed Destiny and never heard him advocate for political violence against conservative people.

He's a Jeckyll and Hyde character. I've seen him in discussions with people like Alex O'Connor when they discuss religion and philosophy. He comes across as forthright but reasonable. And then I've seen him in studio 'debates' in regard to politics, most recently in regard to Kirk, and quite frankly - he becomes...unhinged. I think that's the best way I can describe it.

 

[Freth]

I've followed Destiny and never heard him advocate for political violence against conservative people.

Despite the blunt tone Destiny used, I think it's generally true that having Trump in office has indirectly promoted the kinds of political violence we have seen in the past decade. Trump promotes extremist ideas and extremist individuals around him, so it's not surprising that more people feel the symbolic weight of that, a kind of changing of norms that doesn't just change the overton window, it erodes faith in the dependability of institutions.

I gave two examples in post #33 of this very thread.

 

[FireDragon76]

Years

I gave two examples in post #33 of this very thread.

Destiny's Twitch ban doesn't seem to be related to anything in this discussion.

I researched this, and Destiny didn't urge political violence. He refused to express sufficient outrage at Charlie Kirk's death. Frankly, that's understandable. Refusing to participate in a heavily partisan-loaded liturgy of mourning meant to turn an assassinated figure into a martyr isn't the same as celebrating somebody's death. It's a distinction that requires appreciation of nuance.

 

[FireDragon76]

A recent comment of his on Piers Morgan: “You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events…” Stochastic terrorism.

Not necessarily. It's a similar argument to what Ezra Klein recently made talking to Russ Douthat, that violence and extremism can be mimetic, going beyond left-right political boundaries. If one side deals in demonization and dehumanizing rhetoric, as conservatives have been, that has wider, systemic and cultural effects.

 

[wing2000]

The FCC attempting to shut it down would end up in court in a heartbeat and lose. That's not an issue. Your cite has the implication that this is an issue without evidence that it is.

The circumstantial timing of the events certainly supports my implication. One would have to be naive to believe otherwise. The FCC chair's public comments - “we can do this the easy or the hard way" and Trump's), support my implication. And yes, Kimmel could sue the government and likely win (once the evidence is provided in court). Disney/ABC could have sued as well....but of course they took the less costly path. After all, a corporation could care less about freedom of speech.

Agreed. This wasn't "cancel culture" in action. There was no huge outcry from conservatives demanding it. This was just a guy getting fired. But to Kimmel's credit, him getting himself fired is the first funny thing he's ever done.

One person has been whining about Kimmel (and other late night comedians) for years. That person was celebrating yesterday. There's no doubt Trump will use the power of the government to remove other critics now they he has removed a second comedian from the airways.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Destiny's Twitch ban doesn't seem to be related to anything in this discussion.

Yeah, that was a couple years ago iirc - he posted about it again in the wake of Kirk's assassination as ragebait/trolling.

 

[wing2000]

No surprise that those on the left are losing their minds now that the “cancel culture” pendulum is swinging in the right’s favor.

Do you support the Executive Branch, via the FCC, controlling political speech on our airways? Imagine the reaction if President Obama had ordered FOX News to drop Sean Hannity....or else?

 

[RDKirk]

Do you support the Executive Branch, via the FCC, controlling political speech on our airways? Imagine the reaction if President Obama had ordered FOX News to drop Sean Hannity....or else?

The "or else" is " you won't get FCC approval of your merger."

 

[Servus]

Do you support the Executive Branch, via the FCC, controlling political speech on our airways? Imagine the reaction if President Obama had ordered FOX News to drop Sean Hannity....or else?

What did Hannity say about an assassination victim right after they were murdered?