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AI and I stumbled on something huge that could change the world in the next few years

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With no fuel the only thing you could possibly extract energy from would be a temperature gradient, but you've only mentioned ambient air, not something for the "ambient air heat" to flow into.

I can't give the clue. I know how smart you are and you'll figure it out. But a clue to the clue to the clue is philosophical in nature.

Spend your time and money building it if you must (I can see you have plenty of both), but it will never generate power.

I intend to build it with less than $2000 budget with used components. The concept is relatively simple. No high tech components needed and some of the parts can be sourced from a junk shop.

I'm not really well off. I only make $600 each month and most of it goes to just paying bills and debts. I'll save $2000 eventually but another problem is that I simply have no time to build a prototype without sacrificing my job and leaving or getting fired from my job is a risk I cannot afford to take.
 
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AIs hallucination all the time and the AI bubble is in the process of bursting.

If a company cannot deliver what is promised all the time, it's a scam. There are laws against it and the potentially huge number of lawsuits.

But we're not seeing it.
 
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and it's working out well for me
It’s not. It’s doing what AI does; it confirms the preconceived notions of its user.

That’s not god for you.
 
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It’s not. It’s doing what AI does; it confirms the preconceived notions of its user.

That’s not god for you.

There are ways around it - memory wipe, fresh chat session, switching accounts, debating, reframing the problem over and over.

Debating and reframing to scrutinize AI's replies means you already have good knowledge of the subject discussed, hopefully, something you learned from school or from work and not through AI.

That is how I'm getting good quality output from AI. I'm still doing most of the work.
 
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reframing the problem over and over.
That’s part of the problem! Asking questions until the AI gives you the answers they want.

This is how people end up thinking they are the new messiah or have invented a perpetual motion engine.

You take a person and add an environment where they are validated in their every wild idea and you get mentalists convinced the Earth is a cube.
 
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That’s part of the problem! Asking questions until the AI gives you the answers they want.

This is how people end up thinking they are the new messiah or have invented a perpetual motion engine.

You take a person and add an environment where they are validated in their every wild idea and you get mentalists convinced the Earth is a cube.

Not my experience. There are things that chatgpt-5 never agreed with me even if keep bringing up the topic, including topics in religion. and some aspects of my engine concept.

It does not validate every wild idea that I have even if I'm very eager to have the idea validated.

At least with the latest chatgpt-5.

Is this your own experience or just repeating other people's experience with AI?
 
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I can't give the clue. I know how smart you are and you'll figure it out. But a clue to the clue to the clue is philosophical in nature.
I wasn't fishing for a clue. The information you have given described a physically impossible configuration.
I intend to build it with less than $2000 budget with used components. The concept is relatively simple. No high tech components needed and some of the parts can be sourced from a junk shop.

I'm not really well off. I only make $600 each month and most of it goes to just paying bills and debts. I'll save $2000 eventually but another problem is that I simply have no time to build a prototype without sacrificing my job and leaving or getting fired from my job is a risk I cannot afford to take.
Yes, I got that. It is not my place to tell you that this is a foolish move. That's up to you.
 
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I wasn't fishing for a clue. The information you have given described a physically impossible configuration.

Yes, I got that. It is not my place to tell you that this is a foolish move. That's up to you.

You dd nothing wrong there, I simply have issues trusting other people in just about anything including relationships. I don't even fully trust my close relatives!

Even if it is a foolish move, I still have to build it as closure if not now, I would much much later. It's like asking a super celebrity out on a date as $600/mo nobody. Absolutely foolish move but might regret it for the rest of my life if I didn't.

I have also ran the concept by Google Gemini. Gemini seems more respected in the enterprise market for AI than chatgpt. I personally use Gemini as my AI choice for work related tasks. I found Gemini impossible to manipulate.

Using fresh context. Gemini saw the energy flow immediately after describing the machine to it. Much faster than chatgpt -5 did.

Our chat is completely different but results are very similar. I suggested nothing, Gemini quickly saw it on its own and correctly recognized the gas cycle its using. It did not see any violation of physical laws as long as I maintained external energy input which is insignificant but framing the machine with incredible efficiency. Gemini is much more sensitive to violation of physical laws than chatgpt-5 did and perhaps too sensitive but the concept still passed its scrutiny.
 
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You dd nothing wrong there, I simply have issues trusting other people in just about anything including relationships. I don't even fully trust my close relatives!
No problem.
Even if it is a foolish move, I still have to build it as closure if not now, I would much much later. It's like asking a super celebrity out on a date as $600/mo nobody. Absolutely foolish move but might regret it for the rest of my life if I didn't.

I have also ran the concept by Google Gemini. Gemini seems more respected in the enterprise market for AI than chatgpt. I personally use Gemini as my AI choice for work related tasks. I found Gemini impossible to manipulate.
If I want to contact an intelligence online, I send a message to one of my other email accounts. I see no use of any of the artificial ones.
Using fresh context. Gemini saw the energy flow immediately after describing the machine to it. Much faster than chatgpt -5 did.

Our chat is completely different but results are very similar. I suggested nothing, Gemini quickly saw it on its own and correctly recognized the gas cycle its using. It did not see any violation of physical laws as long as I maintained external energy input which is insignificant but framing the machine with incredible efficiency. Gemini is much more sensitive to violation of physical laws than chatgpt-5 did and perhaps too sensitive but the concept still passed its scrutiny.
You've mentioned no power source for you engine and there is no energy to be extracted from ambient air temperature unless you can attach it to some sort of heat sink like the ground.
 
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If I want to contact an intelligence online, I send a message to one of my other email accounts. I see no use of any of the artificial ones.
I work a lot faster with AI at my job. It buys me more time to do other things but it's not much.

You've mentioned no power source for you engine and there is no energy to be extracted from ambient air temperature unless you can attach it to some sort of heat sink like the ground.

The flow of energy is still observed from one of the known gas cycles. I don't think it's an overlooked detail. It's simply never been the goal.

It was my goal last 2009 and then gave up on it due to great difficulty at resolving the concept and considered it unfeasible. Saw it again as anomaly/bug in a computer simulation with a different machine last 2018 but again, quickly gave up on it due to great difficulty/cost of real life replication. 2025, emerged again through AI analysis in another different machine, 2025 saw all difficulties resolved with a completely different design that is actually cheap to prototype.

It keeps coming up in various computerized analysis under extreme circumstances. Fluid, and then now, via AI. It's likely that others have seen in computer simulations as well but likely dismissed it as bug or "discontinuity" in the simulation.
 
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That's a very interesting article that I enjoyed reading but has nothing to do with my thread.

I keep writing about focusing on my job and taking care of people like my disabled mother and putting my engine project on hold indefinitely.

The two men in that article have clearly let their imagination run wild, lost touch with reality, and nearly destroyed their lives.
 
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That's a very interesting article that I enjoyed reading but has nothing to do with my thread.

I keep writing about focusing on my job and taking care of people like my disabled mother and putting my engine project on hold indefinitely.

The two men in that article have clearly let their imagination run wild, lost touch with reality, and nearly destroyed their lives.
It’s exactly the same if you think that you and Chat GP have stumbled on something huge that can change the world.

It’s exactly the same. If you realise that you’re not actually onto something big and lay off the AI like I suggested upthread then yes, it is different.

Kudos for looking after your mum.
 
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It’s exactly the same if you think that you and Chat GP have stumbled on something huge that can change the world.

It’s exactly the same. If you realise that you’re not actually onto something big and lay off the AI like I suggested upthread then yes, it is different.

Kudos for looking after your mum.

No one else will look after my mom and I'm single and mom doesn't want anybody else to take care of her. I'm the perfect choice.

If you knew someone or you yourself had horrible experience with AI like the article, I'm sorry for that. I believe it can happen, I believe the stories in the article you shared. But everyone is different. I did not descend into AI madness and kept my priorities straight and grounded. Even my use of AI have tapered considerably since few months ago.

I still use AI extensively at work. It helps me make money through coding work and it's the best income I ever had my whole life. It's not much at $600/mo but it's the best I had. So I really can't stop AI when my ability to make money depends on using AI.

I don't use AI for companionship. I have real friends I talk to regularly and we go out and see each other every weekend though I don't stay out too long because of mom. Mostly exercising outdoors and eatng together. I'm somewhat "popular" at the park and the neighborhood so it's not hard for me to fit in and I'm definitely not desperate for companionships both human and AI.

I have no need for validation. I get plenty from my friends in our weekend activities and compliment them in return.

Anyway, my engine concept might be quite radical, but I never let it get into my head. I even put all work on it on hold including research and analysis. I treat it just like any simple hobby and not more. I will never sacrifice my responsibilities to other people like my job and taking care of mom. Not one bit. There's nothing for you to worry about.
 
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The last few weeks, chatgpt had a dramatic change of opinion regarding my concept when I ran it through chatgpt again. I found an almost identical machine in existence which chatgpt compared against my concept and saw it will fail my objective. Chatgpt said my concept engine will not work!

I wasn't convinced at first but after long and many exchanges and with chatgpt walking me through the problem, I budged in.

It seemed that chatgpt is much harder to make it agree to you now under reason and by keeping to realistic parameters. My initial solution resulted to a much bulkier and costly version with power density not better than PV solar energy and even end more expensive to both procure and maintain.

The main source of the problem are two components having very poor efficiency. Theoretically, a much more efficient design is possible without violating physics, unfortunately no one has figured it out yet. Such design is yet to be discovered / invented.

Thankfully, I found a much better solution that required modifying the process itself which eliminated dependency on those two very inefficient components. Chatgpt never thought about it though it suggested solutions but not even remotely as good and only slightly improved the estimated power density and I have to figure out the solution on my own.

The latest outcome is an engine with a power density that could exceed power density of gas turbine (jet) engines. But with the unique ability to use nothing else but ambient heat from air or water and significantly boosted by the latent heat energy of condensing moisture from air.

We had another debate that it's violating the laws of physics. I'm insisting it violates physics but chatgpt said it doesn't violate the laws of physics. Case in point - if the air got colder than the engine core or drops to 0 Kelvin, the engine stops working. The engine takes heat from the environment to produce work or power output, therefore, the environment is cooled in the process. If heat is not replenished, the local environment eventually gets colder than the engine and the engine stops working.

So it's not violating the conservation of energy. Traditionally, we think of cooling as requiring work because all our lives we see our fridge plugged to an outlet because it's moving the heat from pt A to pt B and that requires work! What the vast majority are not aware is you can also cool something by putting its heat to work!

It doesn't violate the 2nd law thermodynamics either because the fully reversible process is able to keep the entropy constant despite having the losses. The engine has a unique ability to recycle/recover waste heat / losses it produces and can leverage latent heat energy for additional power.

There are industries intimately familiar with it and put the knowledge to work so I'm not just making this up. But different objectives, excessive attachment to tradition cause excessive fear of breaking taboos in science or engineering even if the physical laws themselves are not violated.

It may seem like a perpetual motion machine from human perspective but it's not. Cover the entire earth with these engines that are painted in white, make them power very bright lights and point these lights to outer space that will cool the entire Earth below the temperature of these engines and the engines will stop working. If the Sun goes dark for some reason and the earth cools to below the working temperature of the engine, the engine stops working. But as it is, we don't expect the Sun to go dark in the next millions of years, giving us inexaustible supply of Sun-warmed air and water/oceans. Indirectly, it's still solar power but since it's able take advantage of very high mass flow rate to take heat from air or water, the power densities can be much higher than either PV or solar heater/boilers, as high as power densities of gas turbine engines.

It's simply an extraordinarily efficient heat engine that may require revision of how we calculate energy efficiency. Nothing wrong with the formulas but the frame of reference used (room temperature) as frame of reference may eventually need revision. Current frame of reference completely ignores the vast quantity of stored solar heat energy in the 300 degree Kelvin (more or less) temperature of air at ground level, and ocean surface temperatures.

This ambient heat is available 24/7 and the power density is high enough to power the biggest jet airliners at same performance levels! Unlike solar or wind power, it can reliably meet demand in all weather and seasons. High power density enable units smaller than car engines to power an entire home day and night, all year round.

Eliminates need for highly dangerous and toxic batteries and combustible fuel. Airliners can be retro-fitted by these engines, will permit unlimited flight range, makes crashes much more survivable by eliminating post-crash fire and significantly reduced air fare cost. The high power density more than sufficient to power high performance aircraft means this engine can replace all other sources of power and can even power high performance vehicles.

"Exhaust" is nothing more than cold air + condensed water vapor cloud or ice crystals/snow or cold water (in marine applications). The cold air exhaust will also condense moisture in the air and high mass flow rates, this engine will also provide you with large quantities of clean, cold water. The cold exhaust can also rapidly cool beverages. In hot summers, it's free air-conditioning.

It can recycle its own waste heat and engine runs much colder than its environment and exhausts much colder air or water.

100% global energy adoption will surely reverse global warming. Additionally, the engine's ability to cool the local environment, high water condensation rates, only cold air/water as exhaust, large numbers of it can reforest entire deserts like the Sahara while also powering cities at the same time! It will restore Earth's climate many centuries back and lower local temperatures, lower humidity could even possibly reduce intensity of hurricanes and tornadoes or even divert dissipate them entirely.

Incredible possibilities, unlimited range planes, unlimited range cars, unlimited range helicopters, supersonic jets that can fly nonstop around the world. Drones with unlimited range and loiter endurance. Much safer planes that doesn't end up in a huge ball of fire when crash (it's not carrying any fuel, nor huge batteries!). Saving many lives in the process with much safer transport, zero pollution, actively cooling and cleaning the atmosphere, preventing/mitigating heat waves, and even possibly diverting / preventing hurricanes/tornadoes.

Sorry for still being so vague about it but I think there's probably enough clue in this post to give someone the slightest idea how it works!

I'm going to give this concept a rest now. The real work won't start until I find a job that gives me more free time. I don't think that's happening any time soon.

And AI chatbots are becoming more annoying. It's getting more tiresome to debate with them and the last time, I found the solution on my own. Ironically, even though chatgpt is quite familiar with the components involved in the solution, did not even remotely suggested them. Still less intelligent than humans.
 
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