Sabbatarianism

[ralliann]

Who is the "They", Mary and the Disciples who clearly understood the Sabbath Jesus was "Lord of", or the mainstream preachers of that time who had polluted God's sabbath, and were teaching for doctrines the commandments of men?

Yes, Passover was "Preparation Day" for the First Day of Unleavened Bread. That is why it was important, to fulfill all Righteousness, that Jesus was placed in the grave before sundown, the end of Passover.


How did "who" do "what"?

They would have followed God's Instruction in the Torah.


The day God created is 24 hours. There are 7 days in a week, according to the God "of the bible". Romans didn't create the "DAY" God did.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day". Each day has a "day" and a "night", and starts with the Night. I'm not sure why you would imply that the day and night Jesus referred to was a "Roman Day".



What exactly is "Judaism" in your religion? Was it living by the Spiritual Word of God as Jesus and the examples of Faithful men given us in scriptures did? Or is "Judaism" the "Jews religion" that taught for doctrines the commandments of men, not God, polluted God's Sabbaths, and persecuted the Church of God?.

You need to define the context of your use of this world, before we can have a honest discussion about it.


Of course they did, sacrifices were made in the day, not the night. By definition, morning comes after night. Darkness dwelled on the earth, before Light. Darkness first, then Light. ignorance first, and then wisdom. 6 days of work first, then Rest.

I'm OK with that.



Look, I understand how important religious traditions are, and how far men will go to defend and preserve them. I know there is no Biblical instruction to turn away from God's Sabbath, to the Catholic Sabbath. I know that God knew the Day the Prophesied Messiah would be raised from the dead, from the foundation of the World.

I also know from experience, that "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, will never turn away from their religious traditions, which is shown to me in the scriptures over and over and over and over and over.

I am happy to discuss with you the spiritual meaning of the daily sacrifices, "made by fire" etc., in a different thread. But this thread is about God's sabbaths. let's stay focused on that.



In your religion, this might be true. But according to Moses and the Prophets, the Feast Day begins at evening.

Jesus ate the Last supper with His Disciples after sundown on the 13th of Nisan, which would be the 14th of Nisan. After the Passover meal, Jesus

went to Gethsemane, and prayed, "at night" before the morning of Passover. In the morning HE was betrayed by Judas, tried, beaten stripped and crucified, all in the same day, Passover, which had begun the night before. And He was placed in the Grave "Before" the High Sabbath of the First day of Unleavened bread.

So it's right there in your own Bible.

Read the story of the Passover in Moses Time.

Ex. 12: 9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain "until the morning"; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

Passover begins at sundown, at least according to the Holy scriptures.


Personally, I don't know what you mean by "Judaism". I understand Passover by reason of use. Not really interest in the Talmud, or the Jews religion, nor the Catholic religion and her Protestant daughters religious traditions and philosophies. I'm more interested in what the Scriptures actually teach and how they help me to "know the One True God" that Jesus wants me to know.

I am talking about Jews that kept these things in Jesus day and The Judaism that existed in Jesus day.

 

[DamianWarS]

I still don't understand how we can wave away one of the Ten commandments when the other nine still apply. Surely the fourth still applies. And if so, doesn't that negate Sunday altogether as a holy day of worship? Also there is the missing commandment to worship on Sunday.

I can follow the 10 ritually yet still hate my neighbor and even hate God. The 10 do not call for a heuristic guided by love as Christ calls us to, they follow broadly "do not's" or obstaining from more of your deadly evils than they do about doing good but can be void of love.

For example in the parable of the good Samaritan the Jews that passed the man in the ditch were not violating the 10 in anyway, yet complety miss the point or love. So the 10 can not be seen as exhaustive are more of a core values springboard for love that Christ shows us.

The 10 are a type of polemic to surrounding cultures by affirming a monotheistic God (1-3) cultural and social values to keep order (5-10) and redeeming otherwise pagan days of observance (4). They are there to set the Hebrews away from competitive values of polytheisic worship and every man for himself rule for foundational order/values under monotheism.

Saying don't profane God's name, or don't keep idols, or don't have any other gods seems implied under monotheistic rule as anything to the contrary is not monotheistic but these were challenging values of the day that needed to be emphasized and learnt. Jews of the 1st century would stone a jew for anything close to paganism, and by that time monotheism was so fully instilled in them that commandments 1-3 no longer challenged them. It would be the same as saying the earth is a sphere today, although at one time it was a controversial statement, today it is so well accepted that nothing else is taken seriously.

But commandments 1-3 were needed and without them idolatry and pagan practices would take over. They needed hard rules to ensure they keep in line with monotheism because cultural trends of the day were pagan driven.

Commandments 5-10 are generally about how we treat each other, they are not about loving each other, but rather about not wronging each other which is a different focus but still needed in its day to keep rule and going against cultural trends of the day.

So what of the 4th? Well the 4th redeems the 7 day week from pagan practice. Babylonians used a 7 day week to venerate the known planets of the day seen by the naked eye (moon and sun where included but earth was not counted). Sabbath was venerated too by not working, it was more hiding from the wrath of the venerated god (Saturn) than it was of worship (we still call it saturn's-day). But this is why 7 is chosen and not some other system (the Bible never unpacked why the system under 7)

There was need to depaganise these trends of the day so rather erase the system, it is redeemed to honor God over honoring pagan systems. The 4th also has deep theological values baked in pointing ultimately to Christ not a day.

We don't wave away the 10 but through revelation we can value it at a higher level, to start we love each other rather than just avoiding evil. the 4th does not exalt a day which is a counter gospel value, but rather it exalts Christ and is the more important value we should keep. The 7th day is set apart form the other days and called holy. Today we are the ones set apart and called holy, not from anything we have done, but only through Christ and it is he that we keep in all moments and this keeps the 4th on a higher level not merely its pagan polemic of yesterday that's long gone.

 

[Studyman]

I am talking about Jews that kept these things in Jesus day and The Judaism that existed in Jesus day.

I agree, "Judaism" was the Pharisee's religion, or as Paul called it, "The Jews Religion".

So God sent Jesus in a world where the mainstream religion, "who professed to know" the God of Abraham, was the Pharisees and the Sadducees religion. Paul was a zealous member of this religion during the lifetime of Jesus on earth, and even participated in the murder of Stephen several years after Jesus ascended.

This was a widely adopted religion that persecuted the Church of God and killed the Prophets God sent to them. According to the Scriptures, they had polluted God's Sabbaths, despised His Judgments and "full well rejected" the Commandments of God that they might live in their own religious traditions. Jesus said they "Taught for Doctrines the Commandments of men", not God. HE said, and I believe Him, that they claimed trust in Moses, even claimed to promote the Law of Moses, but they didn't believe Moses. "They SAID THEY DID", they "SAID" they were children of Abraham, but they were not. They had been given God's Laws by Moses, by the disposition of Angels, but refused to keep them. Paul said they had been given the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. That they were ignorant of God's Righteousness, and had gone about establishing their own righteousness, refusing to submit to the Righteousness of God. Jeremiah said they were corrupt shepherds who led His people astray.

Not all men had adopted this religion and had become children of the devil. Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men where members of the Church of God and had not adopted the "Jews religion" or as we have established, "Judaism". Jesus convinced many to leave the mainstream religion of the world God placed them in, and join themselves to the Lord, the Head of God's Church.

In Romans 11, Paul was teaching folks the same thing.

 

[ralliann]

I agree, "Judaism" was the Pharisee's religion, or as Paul called it, "The Jews Religion".

So God sent Jesus in a world where the mainstream religion, "who professed to know" the God of Abraham, was the Pharisees and the Sadducees religion. Paul was a zealous member of this religion during the lifetime of Jesus on earth, and even participated in the murder of Stephen several years after Jesus ascended.

Thank you. When we read the Gospels we read in context of how they practiced and considered the days and the counts.
Civil calendar day of the month (begins at night), verses Liturgical days (morn and even sacrifices "daily") , and feasts days (evening to evening spanning parts of two calendar days.). This includes the judaic "inlusive counting"
The rest of your problems with Catholicism has nothing to do with what I am getting at.

 

[Studyman]

Thank you. When we read the Gospels we read in context of how they practiced and considered the days and the counts.

But ralliann,

Who are the "They"?

The first Church of God under HIS New Prophesied High Priest, The Lord's Christ Jesus, counted according to the Instructions given by God to Moses, and as a result were gathered together on God's Holy Feast, "Pentecost", and the resulting obedience resulted in the Spirit of God, (Holy Spirit) being given to them, as is His Practice to give His Spirit to those who obey Him. They were not "Judaizers", rather, they were "Children of Obedience", "Servants of God's Righteousness", who had "Yielded themselves" to God, and their bodies as instruments of Righteousness to God.

Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, David, Ezekiel, these men were also members of God's Church, but under the Old Priesthood Covenant. They also counted correctly in their honor and respect for God, and understood the importance of the Feasts of the Lord.

This is why I asked what your definition of "Judaism" was, because in this world's religious system, most of the "Many", who come in Christ's Name, teach that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God's Laws. This insidious lie has led a lot of people astray, and has corrupted Paul's Gospel message in chapters like Romans 3 and Romans 11.

Civil calendar day of the month (begins at night), verses Liturgical days (morn and even sacrifices "daily") , and feasts days (evening to evening spanning parts of two calendar days.). This includes the judaic "inlusive counting"
The rest of your problems with Catholicism has nothing to do with what I am getting at.

I don't know where you found this teach8ing, but it wasn't from the Word of God the Jesus "of the Bible" said to Live by. And you keep referring to "Judaism/Judaic" when you should be interested in what God actually teaches, in my view.

In the world God placed me in, there is also a massive religious system that calls Jesus Lord, Lord. The "Mother" of this religious system is the RCC, and her children are the Protestant religions in all their various sects and businesses.

We are all born into religions of this world that profess to know God, just as Noah, Abraham, Caleb, David, Zacharias, Peter, and Jesus Himself were also placed into the same world. Just as Adam and Eve were placed into a world where "other voices" who professed to know god, and even quoted "some" of His Words, exist.

These are undeniable Biblical Truths, and is the reason, in my view, for Paul's teaching in Rom. 11, that you referenced, and other places as well.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I was also raised under this religious tradition, but when a man studies the event for himself, it just doesn't add up. Although it is a necessary doctrine it seems, to justify the rejection of God's Sabbath, and the adoption of the Catholic sabbath, as there is no prophesy, no declaration, absolutely no teaching any where in the Bible, that lends itself to the change.

The Messiah was placed in the heart of the earth, just before Sundown on Passover Day, the 14th of Nissan. He Himself said HE would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. This would mean that HE would raise from the dead just before Sundown 3 days and 3 nights later. Or certainly that there is nothing in Scriptures which say this would or did not happen.

Since we know for sure that after sundown on the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, Mary went to the Grave, and in all eye witness accounts, He was already risen.

So in your understanding, from the end of the 14th Day of Nisan, to the 16th day of Nisan, is 3 days and 3 nights. The Catholic tradition is that He was placed in the grave on the 14th day of Nisan, which was a Friday, and Jesus rose after sundown on Saturday night, but before sunrise on Sunday, the 1st day of the week. I'm not sure how that makes 3 days and 3 nights. I have been told by the promoters of this philosophy that Jesus didn't mean 3 whole days, or 3 whole nights, implying that Jonah wasn't really in the Whales belly for 3 whole days and 3 whole nights. I'm not sure why a person would even contemplate such things, unless of course, they need to in order to justify a tradition.

Since I have no worldly religious tradition to defend or preserve, it's much easier for me to understand the time line based on what is actually written when all of the Scriptures are considered. Jesus was killed and placed in the grave just before sundown at the end of Passover Day, the 14th Day of Nisan, just before the Holy Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread. This was a Wednesday evening in that year. There are always 2 Sabbaths on the week of Passover, according to the Law and Prophets. Jesus remained in the grave Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday Night, exactly 3 nights just as Jesus said. And He remained in the grave Thursday, Friday and Saturday, raising from the dead just before Sundown on Saturday night, exactly 3 days just as Jesus said. When Mary got to the Grave, early Sunday Morning, while it was yet dark, HE had already risen.

There is nothing in Scriptures that contradicts this. And clearly the God and Father of the Lord's Christ knew this when HE sanctified and Set Apart the 7th Days of the Week, as Holy to Him, and Holy to us. Clearly God knew the days His Son would raise from the Dead when HE created His 10 commandments, including, but not limited to "Keeping the 7th Day Holy".

The implication of Constantine and the RCC, and adopted by this world's religious system, that God sanctified and set apart the wrong Day of the Week, as the "Lord's Day" is a bridge to far for me. And why would I adopt this philosophy, if not to preserve man-made traditions?

Nevertheless, these discussions are good to have among men who are "Seeking God's Righteousness" as my Savior and Lord, the Christ of the Bible instructs.

The Sabbath is the 7th day (that has never changed). The 1st day of the week is the day Yeshua resurrected from the dead. I HAVE studied all of this for MANY years. You are stuck on the 3 days and 3 nights quote. You seem to forget Yeshua also said "in 3 days" and he would rise "on the 3rd day". 3 days and 3 nights is from the story of Yonah. He was comparing it to that story. You also seem to forget the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus speaking to Yeshua said it was now the 3rd day since these events occurred. It PLAINLY says it was the 1st day of the week. So counting back, he would have died on the 6th day, resting in the tomb on Shabbat, rising after sunset (which was the 1st day of the week). You rightly say Yeshua was killed on the 14th. We know that day was the 6th day of the week. So Wednesday is an impossibility. Thursday is possible ONLY if you use exclusive counting...which the Scriptures never do. Also, while it was still dark when Mary arrived would have been the 1st day of the week. After sunset on the sabbath is the 1st day of the week. So day 6 was the 1st day, day 7 (Shabbat) was the 2nd day and the 1st day of the week was day 3...he rose ON THE 3RD DAY just as He said. Yeshua kept Shabbat while he rested in the tomb. So yes, there ARE many scriptures that contradict your scenario...

 

[Studyman]

The Sabbath is the 7th day (that has never changed). The 1st day of the week is the day Yeshua resurrected from the dead. I HAVE studied all of this for MANY years. You are stuck on the 3 days and 3 nights quote.

Yes, I am stuck on what the Lord's Christ actually said in the Holy Scriptures.

You seem to forget Yeshua also said "in 3 days" and he would rise "on the 3rd day".

Friday night, the 6th day of the week, to Sunday morning before the sun comes up is not 3 days in any stretch of the imagination.

3 days and 3 nights is from the story of Yonah. He was comparing it to that story.

Yes, Jonah wasn't in the Whales belly for 1.5 days, rather, for 3 days and 3 nights.

You also seem to forget the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus speaking to Yeshua said it was now the 3rd day since these events occurred.

Yes, 3 days.

It PLAINLY says it was the 1st day of the week.

It says Mary came to the grave on the first day of the week. There was no comma's in the earliest transcripts.

So counting back, he would have died on the 6th day,

Friday evening then, according to you. So that means Mary went to town and purchased spices and ointments on God's Sabbath. But wait, what does the scriptures actually say.

1 And when the sabbath "was past", Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

What Sabbath was this? It had to be after HE was placed in the grave.

There were 2 Sabbaths that week, the 15th day of the first Month, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, is a High Sabbath, and the weekly Sabbath of God, Saturday. Mary purchased spices between the 2 Sabbaths. Jesus died on Wednesday and was placed in the heart of the earth just before sundown, which began the High Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Mary rested according to this Feast of the Lord, and following this Sabbath, which was on a Thursday that week, she went and purchased spices and prepared them to anoint Jesus, on Friday. Then she rested according to God's Commandment on His Holy Weekly Sabbath, and when the sun went down, she went to the grave. She didn't take a Taxi, she probably walked. How far did she have to walk? Well she got there before the sun came up on Sunday morning and HE was already Risen.

This account in not contradicted by any scripture.

resting in the tomb on Shabbat, rising after sunset (which was the 1st day of the week).

"But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."

Do you believe it's a Sin to raise someone from the dead on God's Sabbaths? According to Catholic tradition, the only day Jesus spent in the heart of the earth, was Saturday. Scriptures do not bear this out, but I know how powerful religious traditions of the world are, and why Jesus warned against them, especially those traditions of men who call Him Lord, Lord.

You rightly say Yeshua was killed on the 14th. We know that day was the 6th day of the week.

No, the Good Friday, Easter Sunday tradition, both man-made high days, might promote this doctrine. But such a doctr4ine contradicts Jesus' Own Words. Try and read the event with a mindset of those in that time who honored and respected God's Statutes and Judgments.

In your adopted tradition, Mary went to town on God's Sabbath, purchased spices and ointments, prepared them to anoint Jesus, but waited until after the Sabbath to walk to the grave with the spices. How does that make any sense.

Like I said, we were both born into a world, just like Jesus was, in which a religious system, with their own traditions and judgments exist. But when a person reads all that is written, these traditions of the RCC do not add up.

So Wednesday is an impossibility.

Only if a person is working to justify ancient Catholic Tradition of Good Friday and Easter Sunday. But God's Church didn't abide by these worldly traditions. They followed God's Word, as Jesus taught them.

14th day of Nisan, Wednesday that year, Jesus was killed and placed in the grave before Sundown, which started the High Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened bread. Which was Thursday. On Friday, Mary went to town, purchased spices and went home and prepared them to anoint Jesus. She rested again, on the Weekly Sabbath, Saturday. After sundown on Saturday, she carried her spices and walked to the Grave, getting there "while it was yet dark", and Jesus was already risen.

Thursday, Friday, Saturday = 3 days.

Wednesday night, Thursday Night, Friday Night, = 3 Nights.

Just as the Jesus "of the Bible" Prophesied.

Thursday is possible ONLY if you use exclusive counting...which the Scriptures never do. Also, while it was still dark when Mary arrived would have been the 1st day of the week. After sunset on the sabbath is the 1st day of the week.

And also the First Day of Unleavened bread. In your adopted religious philosophy, both the Weekly Sabbath and the First Day of Unleavened bread, had to have fallen on Saturday. Which means Mary went to town and purchased spices on both the weekly Sabbath, and the Holy Feast Day. But considered it a sin to walk to the grave on Saturday.

It doesn't make any sense, and is only promoted by those who are trying to justify ancient Catholic Tradition.

So day 6 was the 1st day, day 7 (Shabbat) was the 2nd day and the 1st day of the week was day 3...he rose ON THE 3RD DAY just as He said. Yeshua kept Shabbat while he rested in the tomb. So yes, there ARE many scriptures that contradict your scenario...

Think about you own post here. Jesus was placed in the grave in the Evening, just before Sundown. Or even if we use your doctrine and say HE was placed in the ground after sundown. Either way, Friday was over, yet you must count it to justify the Catholic High day, "Good Friday". And using your tradition, He would have risen in the middle of the Night, even before the sun came up on Sunday, which had just started. To believe you, I would have to reject Jesus Words concerning how many day and nights HE spent in the heart of the earth, "BECAUSE" of the Catholic Tradition, not because of what is actually written.

In what scenario can you promise to work for someone for 3 days, then show up Friday Night at sundown, and leave after Saturday Night after sundown?

I know how powerful religious tradition and philosophy is. Men killed Jesus believing they were serving God. What I hope to do here, is show you what is actually written, and further the idea of testing the spirits, and to "beware of the leaven" of the mainstream religions of this world we were born into.

Thanks for engaging in the matter, I hope you might be moved to consider that there were 2 Sabbaths that week, and Friday fell between them.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Friday night, the 6th day of the week, to Sunday morning before the sun comes up is not 3 days in any stretch of the imagination.

Yes, Jonah wasn't in the Whales belly for 1.5 days, rather, for 3 days and 3 nights.

Yes, 3 days.

It says Mary came to the grave on the first day of the week. There was no comma's in the earliest transcripts.

Friday evening then, according to you. So that means Mary went to town and purchased spices and ointments on God's Sabbath. But wait, what does the scriptures actually say.

1 And when the sabbath "was past", Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

What Sabbath was this? It had to be after HE was placed in the grave.

There were 2 Sabbaths that week, the 15th day of the first Month, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, is a High Sabbath, and the weekly Sabbath of God, Saturday. Mary purchased spices between the 2 Sabbaths. Jesus died on Wednesday and was placed in the heart of the earth just before sundown, which began the High Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Mary rested according to this Feast of the Lord, and following this Sabbath, which was on a Thursday that week, she went and purchased spices and prepared them to anoint Jesus, on Friday. Then she rested according to God's Commandment on His Holy Weekly Sabbath, and when the sun went down, she went to the grave. She didn't take a Taxi, she probably walked. How far did she have to walk? Well she got there before the sun came up on Sunday morning and HE was already Risen.

This account in not contradicted by any scripture.

"But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."

Do you believe it's a Sin to raise someone from the dead on God's Sabbaths? According to Catholic tradition, the only day Jesus spent in the heart of the earth, was Saturday. Scriptures do not bear this out, but I know how powerful religious traditions of the world are, and why Jesus warned against them, especially those traditions of men who call Him Lord, Lord.

No, the Good Friday, Easter Sunday tradition, both man-made high days, might promote this doctrine. But such a doctr4ine contradicts Jesus' Own Words. Try and read the event with a mindset of those in that time who honored and respected God's Statutes and Judgments.

In your adopted tradition, Mary went to town on God's Sabbath, purchased spices and ointments, prepared them to anoint Jesus, but waited until after the Sabbath to walk to the grave with the spices. How does that make any sense.

Like I said, we were both born into a world, just like Jesus was, in which a religious system, with their own traditions and judgments exist. But when a person reads all that is written, these traditions of the RCC do not add up.

Only if a person is working to justify ancient Catholic Tradition of Good Friday and Easter Sunday. But God's Church didn't abide by these worldly traditions. They followed God's Word, as Jesus taught them.

14th day of Nisan, Wednesday that year, Jesus was killed and placed in the grave before Sundown, which started the High Sabbath of the First Day of Unleavened bread. Which was Thursday. On Friday, Mary went to town, purchased spices and went home and prepared them to anoint Jesus. She rested again, on the Weekly Sabbath, Saturday. After sundown on Saturday, she carried her spices and walked to the Grave, getting there "while it was yet dark", and Jesus was already risen.

Thursday, Friday, Saturday = 3 days.

Wednesday night, Thursday Night, Friday Night, = 3 Nights.

Just as the Jesus "of the Bible" Prophesied.

And also the First Day of Unleavened bread. In your adopted religious philosophy, both the Weekly Sabbath and the First Day of Unleavened bread, had to have fallen on Saturday. Which means Mary went to town and purchased spices on both the weekly Sabbath, and the Holy Feast Day. But considered it a sin to walk to the grave on Saturday.

It doesn't make any sense, and is only promoted by those who are trying to justify ancient Catholic Tradition.

Think about you own post here. Jesus was placed in the grave in the Evening, just before Sundown. Or even if we use your doctrine and say HE was placed in the ground after sundown. Either way, Friday was over, yet you must count it to justify the Catholic High day, "Good Friday". And using your tradition, He would have risen in the middle of the Night, even before the sun came up on Sunday, which had just started. To believe you, I would have to reject Jesus Words concerning how many day and nights HE spent in the heart of the earth, "BECAUSE" of the Catholic Tradition, not because of what is actually written.

Thanks for engaging in the matter, I hope you might be moved to consider that there were 2 Sabbaths that week, and Friday fell between them.

It actually does because ANY part of a day in Judaism is considered as the whole AND scripture only uses INCLUSIVE counting. BTW He was put in the tomb BEFORE sunset on Friday which is day 1, day 2 Shabbat in the tomb and day 3 is after sunset which is Sunday. Those spices were bought before sunset because some were used at burial. Also you do know that market would reopen after sunset after the Sabbath so they actually could have bought more, so either way your point is moot. They bought 100 lbs or so. Yeshua didn't prophecy, he compared Yonah's story which He alluded to his death and resurrection (it was a Hebraic idiom). It was a SIGN to an evil generation. The sign was His resurrection. Everyone dies....that would be no sign but rising from death IS the sign. It was an idiom...the earth does not have a heart, right (a metaphor)? I noticed you evaded what I said regarding the eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus. We KNOW, without any doubt that He died on Friday the 14th of Nissan and resurrected on Sunday the 16th of Nissan...3 days. Yeshua said "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up". As I said a Wednesday crucifixion is impossible. That is a fact.

BTW, Mark 16:1 in the original Greek manuscripts don't have commas anywhere...καὶ διαγενομένου τοῦ σαββάτου μαρία ἡ μαγδαληνὴ καὶ μαρία ἡ [τοῦ] ἰακώβου καὶ σαλώμη ἠγόρασαν ἀρώματα ἵνα ἐλθοῦσαι ἀλείψωσιν αὐτόν.

 

[ralliann]

But ralliann,

Who are the "They"?

The Jew's

 

[Studyman]

The Jew's

Which ones? The "Judaizes" who Jesus said were children of the devil? Or the members of the Church of God that they persecuted and killed?

 

[ralliann]

Which ones? The "Judaizes" who Jesus said were children of the devil? Or the members of the Church of God that they persecuted and killed?

The Jew's in which came to keep their feast in Jerusalem. How they kept their feast, how they determined days.
Days of month begin at night to the next night
Days of unleavened bread (Eve to eve) of 14th day of the month till the eve of 21st day of the month
A day for a sacrifice 2 each day one in the morning and the other in the evening "daily"

 

[Studyman]

The Jew's in which came to keep their feast in Jerusalem. How they kept their feast, how they determined days.

You refused to answer my question, implying that there was no difference between the "Church of God" that the promoters of the "Jews Religion" persecuted and killed, and the Pharisees themselves.

I just showed you that the "Jews" "Full well rejected God's commandments that they might live in their own traditions". This is not a teaching from Calvin, or Wesley or the Pope, this is the teaching of the Jesus, "of the Bible", and the Prophets who had the Spirit of Christ in them.

Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, (Luke 1&2) and the Wise Men no doubt, had a different spirit in them, just as Caleb did.

Who cares "HOW THEY" determined "THEIR feasts" or "THEIR Days", or how they polluted God's Sabbaths. Jesus didn't tell you to "Seek ye first the Kingdom of the "Jews", and "THEIR Righteousness". And yet, this is the foundation of your argument.

I never understood why the promoters of the religious system of the world God placed me in are so eager to be taught about God and HIS Ways, by religious men who Jesus said were "children of the devil".

Days of month begin at night to the next night

Yes, the beginning of the new day was sundown. The darkness came first, then the Light.

Days of unleavened bread (Eve to eve) of 14th day of the month till the eve of 21st day of the month

Passover ended at sundown on the 14th Day of the first month. This is why they pleaded to have His Body taken down and placed in the grave before sundown, which began the Sabbath of the 1st day of unleavened bread.

A day for a sacrifice 2 each day one in the morning and the other in the evening "daily"

Yes, the Church of God consists of children of the day, not the night.

1 Thes. 5: 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

The First Church of God under HIS New High Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek", counted the days correctly, according to Moses, and were gathered together, not at the Temple in Jerusalem. All the "Jews" in the City were not gathered with this Church of God, why was that? Because there is a difference between the "Church of God" and the religions of this world God placed us in. There was a difference between the Sabbaths of God and the Sabbaths of the Pharisees, the mainstream religion of that time. There was a difference between the Commandments of God, and the "Law of the Pharisees".

Until you come to terms with this undeniable Biblical Truth, you will never understand Paul.