AI's Take On Religious Hypocrisy...

[Sabertooth]

(Continued from an off-topic thread...)

Re: AI Affirms The Necessity Of God...!

@timewerx,
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction,

and there are many who go in by it.​

Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matt. 7:13-14 NKJV

You cannot expect Christianity to be modeled by the masses.

 

[Sabertooth]

Re: AI Affirms The Necessity Of God...!

The OP shows that an objective, natural resource can affirm evidence for a Creator God. (It is unable to enter into a relationship with Him, however.)
Just as a technical printing press can convey the Word of God, AI can acknowledge God within the constraints given in the OP.

It is the technical equivalent of,
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead,..." Romans 1:20 NKJV

Your observations (about religious human behavior) are affirmations of Matthew 7:13-14 & 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

Apples & oranges.

 

[Sabertooth]

My observation that is supported by statistics is that religion seems to make things worse - make people become more distant from Christ in nature. Essentially more evil in nature.

Quite ironically, Christianity is no exception. The flow of discussion with AI changed once I made it aware of these statistics.

How does that not affirm 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and Matthew 7:13-14?

 

[Sabertooth]

So if the most Christian nations are consistently dramatically more morally corrupt than non-religious nations, would you agree their version of Christianity is false and is more like the Pharisees in the way they run things?

I would say that you cannot judge sheep based on the behaviors of wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you sure you're reading my post right? I didn't say such thing.

It looks like you are naively accepting the sheephood of every self-declared "sheep."
Jesus said [in Matt. 7:15-20],
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

 

[Sabertooth]

Ironically, the least religious nations in the world are the most progressive in effectively dealing with poverty (Sheep vs Goats) and exposing corruption (exposing the works of evil). Consequently, they have the least corruption in their governments as well. They are doing the core teachings of Jesus that the highly Christian nations fail to accomplish or even trying to avoid!

They still have enough sin to be disqualified from Heaven (until they are Born Again).

Fire By Nite: Why Good People Go To Hell (1989)

 

[Sabertooth]

Yes, many non-religious people are still sinful but their judgement won't be as worse as those who knew.

Even if there were different levels in Hell, I am sure they would be moot.

I hope that we don't just give praises to AI when it agrees with our doctrines and then dismiss it when disagrees.

1. If even a soulless machine can suss out the necessity of God, any subsequent human denial is just being obtuse.
2. I am not defending hypocritical behavior, but the fix for that is not more works-based salvation, obviously.
3. There is no such thing as a "Christian" nation, so holding such up as a [bad] example is a straw man.

 

[Sabertooth]

...it's now the majority religion in the world.

I am skeptical that it is a majority. I can believe it is the plurality, however.

 

[Sabertooth]

Re: AI Affirms The Necessity Of God...!

32% is a plurality, not a majority. That does not take into account the "Tares," the "wolves in sheep's clothing" and the "Lord, Lord..." crowd.

 

[Sabertooth]

How much Tares would it take to make you concerned, 20%, 50%, 75%, 99.99%?

My point still stands even without knowing those numbers.

 

[timewerx]

Re: AI Affirms The Necessity Of God...!

32% is a plurality, not a majority. That does not take into account the "Tares," the "wolves in sheep's clothing" and the "Lord, Lord..." crowd.

If a factory produces far more defective goods than defect-free goods, then there's something wrong with that factory. There's no other way to put it.

You won't join a religion/denomination that doesn't agree with your doctrines or even personal convictions.

If the majority of members are tares, that's because the tares found the religion or denomination agreeable to their personal or even moral convictions.

In John 6:66. Most of the people following Christ left and only the genuine followers stayed behind. That's because the majority are tares.

If a religion is truly preaching the Gospel of Christ, most the members will be genuine followers because the tares can't tolerate those teachings and they will leave.

If you find what seems to be a "Christian religion" but most their followers are tares, then that religion is counterfeit in the first place. They may sound like they're preaching the Gospel of Christ but in reality, they're preaching a different Gospel. Should this religion start preaching the Gospel of Jesus, then most of their members will leave.

 

[Sabertooth]

If a factory produces far more defective goods than defect-free goods, then there's something wrong with that factory. There's no other way to put it.

(Before Salvation) every human produced is defective (in God's eyes). Man-made religion cannot fix that.

 

[FireDragon76]

You all should be careful of treating AI as some kind of oracle.

Also, the argument about Christianity being valid or not, by looking at countries like the United States and its social problems, could potentially be flattening alot of nuance and complexity. Which is something that LLM's like ChatGPT are more than capable of doing, especially if you don't consider multiple perspectives simultaneously. You need to look at the mythopoetic and symbolic, the rational-analytical, and the actual historical-material and political-economic circumstances together.

 

[timewerx]

You all should be careful of treating AI as some kind of oracle.

Also, the argument about Christianity being valid or not, by looking at countries like the United States and its social problems, could potentially be flattening alot of nuance and complexity. Which is something that LLM's like ChatGPT are more than capable of doing, especially if you don't consider multiple perspectives simultaneously. You need to look at the mythopoetic and symbolic, the rational-analytical, and the actual historical-material and political-economic circumstances together.

Not to include the whole of Christianity, I'm absolutely certain, some churches still preach the Gospel of Jesus. They're just not the majority.

Sufficing to say, the two most dangerous and highest crime index nations and many other high % Christians nations show the same correlation. Have missionaries made these countries worse?

Matthew 23:15
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

You don't need to AI to spot these correlations. You just need to look at statistics and as a Christian who had been through more than one denomination, I can see the false teachings that cause caused these problems. They regard material wealth with great esteem (the love of money is the root of all evil) and they regard problems as a personal challenge, not something that needs attention and fixing so instead of helping the needy, they act like a Pharisee on the matter.

These converted countries turned to be twice more evil than the mission-sending countries and have many qualities of the Pharisee. Hypocrisy, love of money, indulgent living, worldly standard of judgement, people-pleasing/esteem of worldly status, indifference to the poor, and attachment to tradition than the truth.

I guarantee you, if there is a church that strongly preach against these things, the tares will avoid that church. Many churches may seem to preach against against worldliness but they also preach it's also okay to indulge at times or have worldly things "as long as it doesn't get to your head" "as long as you did not obsessively chased after it" "as long as you don't elevate their importance above God". Those are all false teachings that seem right which makes it very deceptive and misleading and why seeing problems in Christianity.

But if all Churches be preaching the truth, Christianity will become a minority religion. The 32% global share can drop to just 5% or even just 1% or less. Remember John 6:66 which is a realistic outcome of people hearing the truth. The majority will hate it.

 

[Sabertooth]

Sufficing to say, the two most dangerous and highest crime index nations and many other high % Christians nations show the same correlation. Have missionaries made these countries worse?

It is like you are expecting us to give an account for the misbehaviors of XINOs [christians-in-name-only].

Has it not occurred to you that in a Churched nation, a con-man or con-woman would have to adopt a "Christian" persona to succeed at their con? Such a persona would be less effective (to that end) in a community that is primarily Buddhist or Muslim, for example.

Missionaries are not the cause of criminal activity. Correlation does not equal causation.

~~~​

A woman's husband had been slipping in and out of a coma for several months, yet she had stayed by his bedside every single day.
One day, when he came to, he motioned for her to come nearer.
As she sat by him, he whispered, eyes full of tears,
"You know what? You have been with me all through the bad times.

When I got fired, you were there to support me.​

When my business failed, you were there.​

When I got shot, you were by my side.​

When we lost the house, you stayed right here.​

When my health started failing, you were still by my side.​

You know what?"
"What dear?" she asked gently, smiling as her heart began to fill with warmth.
”I think you're bad luck."

 

[timewerx]

It is like you are expecting us to give an account for the misbehaviors of XINOs [christians-in-name-only].

Has it not occurred to you that in a Churched nation, a con-man or con-woman would have to adopt a "Christian" persona to succeed at their con? Such a persona would be less effective (to that end) in a community that is primarily Buddhist or Muslim, for example.

Missionaries are not the cause of criminal activity. Correlation does not equal causation.

~~~​

A woman's husband had been slipping in and out of a coma for several months, yet she had stayed by his bedside every single day.
One day, when he came to, he motioned for her to come nearer.
As she sat by him, he whispered, eyes full of tears,
"You know what? You have been with me all through the bad times.

When I got fired, you were there to support me.​

When my business failed, you were there.​

When I got shot, you were by my side.​

When we lost the house, you stayed right here.​

When my health started failing, you were still by my side.​

You know what?"
"What dear?" she asked gently, smiling as her heart began to fill with warmth.
”I think you're bad luck."

The Pharisees didn't know they were deceived and doing the devil's work. The Bible prophesied it isn't going to stop and will get worse and the movement that Jesus started (Christianity) will not be spared.

Deceived people don't know they're working for the devil and always believe they're doing things for the Lord. Jesus prophesied it as well and the worst to come and it's been happening for a long time. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Correlation does not equal causation.

When a religion contradicts the teachings of Jesus, a nation will be in worse shape the more religious it becomes.


Nations will be judged according to how they treated the poor and the weak, not by their adopted religion (Matthew 25:31-46).

Many Christian denominations only look outwardly charitable or generous to the poor and yet, also supporting the kingdom of the devil and contradicting the teachings of Jesus that's why their host nations are very corrupt, have very wealthy residents despite having major issues with national poverty.

Ironically, the least religious nations have almost eliminated poverty within their borders with exception of poverty within immigrant communities who often come from one of highly religious nations (either Muslim or Christian).