AI Affirms The Necessity Of A Creator God...!

[Sabertooth]

I Convinced Grok God Is Real (Using Math, Science, and Logic)

 

[timewerx]

I told chatgpt to look at global statistics and saw that the most religious nations in the world are also the most corrupt, highest crime rates, highest poverty rates, highest income gap, and lowest scores in social justice and human rights abuses and pattern applied to Christian nations as well.

The only "Con" of the most non-religious nations is higher suicide rates. However, the chaos introduced by religion literally kills far more people, and turns more into evil.

The only "Pro" chatgpt found in Christianity is Jesus. However, it also found that the Gospel of Jesus is not observed by the vast majority of Christianity and that the least religious nations in the world are closer in practice to the core teachings of Jesus. Ironic isn't it?

Chatgpt also told me it doesn't normally see these correlations unless someone points it to these information. Eventually, it will learn to do so if our discussion got selected for its training.

You can certainly make AI believe that God is real or God is Good or Christianity is good but make sure you're not hiding anything from it or missing out on anything concerning FACTS.

If you're looking for unbiased analysis from AI, give it all the information you can find and don't hold back anything. Don't be biased yourself.

AI holds the knowledge and possibly the logic and reasoning of the human race but without the bad attitude and strong biases and that's a very good thing. AI still hold biases with political correctness, etc. But it's not that hard to take it out of that illusion unlike humans.

 

[timewerx]

@timewerx,
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction,

and there are many who go in by it.​

Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matt. 7:13-14 NKJV

You cannot expect Christianity to be modeled by the masses.

If you're arguing against the use of AI in religious studies, then what are you trying to show us in your OP about an AI thinking that God is real? God isn't real because AI thinks God is real?

 

[Sabertooth]

Reply moved to AI's Take On Religious Hypocrisy...

 

[timewerx]

Your observations (about religious human behavior) are affirmations of Matthew 7:13-14 & 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

My observation that is supported by statistics is that religion seems to make things worse - make people become more distant from Christ in nature. Essentially more evil in nature.

Quite ironically, Christianity is no exception. The flow of discussion with AI changed once I made it aware of these statistics.

 

[timewerx]

How does that not affirm 2 Timothy 3:1-5 and Matthew 7:13-14?

It says that people will gravitate towards moral corruption. It doesn't say explicitly that religion will make people worse, only that people will only do it for "appearances" to appear Godly but is corrupt underneath.

Jesus did say religion will make people worse in other verses, particularly the religion of the Pharisees.

So if the most Christian nations are consistently dramatically more morally corrupt than non-religious nations, would you agree their version of Christianity is false and is more like the Pharisees in the way they run things?

 

[timewerx]

I would say that you cannot judge sheep based on the behaviors of wolves in sheep's clothing.

Are you sure you're reading my post right? I didn't say such thing.

I'm hinting the possibility of false teachings. The Bible did warned against these false teachers with their false teachings making itself to Christianity (Book of Jude).

Anyway, back to the original topic you seem eager to avoid. Why did you post a youtube video about AI believing that God must exist and is real and then somehow seemingly dismiss the credibility of AI when paints a dark picture of the Christian religion. Convenient don't you think?

I'm absolutely certain that God is real and I'm glad that AI also thinks so with grounded reasoning but I also convinced that with AI's grounded reasoning that it's actually seeing real problems in Christianity, otherwise, in strongly Christians countries, we should be seeing the fruits of the Holy Spirit, but instead, we see the opposite. We see moral corruption at a national level much worse than non-religious countries who ironically are displaying the fruits of the Holy Spirit instead! You can't hide these things, you just can't unless you're not after the truth.

 

[Sabertooth]

@timewerx, I must point out that your critique of religious morality really detracts from the original point that AI finds atheism to be statistically illogical/irrational (within the constraints of the OP).

 

[timewerx]

@timewerx, I must point out that your critique of religious morality really detracts from the original point that AI finds atheism to be statistically illogical/irrational (within the constraints of the OP).

I agree with AI's assessment that Atheism is illogical.

However, me and AI have some findings that some doctrinal beliefs are likely contradicting the teachings of Jesus and leading adherents to a lack of accountability or responsibility to other people.

Ironically, the least religious nations in the world are the most progressive in effectively dealing with poverty (Sheep vs Goats) and exposing corruption (exposing the works of evil). Consequently, they have the least corruption in their governments as well. They are doing the core teachings of Jesus that the highly Christian nations fail to accomplish or even trying to avoid!

There's nothing wrong with the Bible, only how some Christians understand it in such a way their beliefs contradict the teachings of Jesus and that is most concerning.

 

[timewerx]

They still have enough sin to be disqualified from Heaven (until they are Born Again).

Fire By Nite: Why Good People Go To Hell (1989)

Rejecting the teachings of Jesus over false teachings is worse. My concern is the false teachings have become institutionalized as evidenced by the pattern consistent with strongly Christian nations vs least religious nations.

Yes, many non-religious people are still sinful but their judgement won't be as worse as those who knew.

I hope that we don't just give praises to AI when it agrees with our doctrines and then dismiss it when disagrees. I think it's worth taking a closer look than outright dismissal. After all, if the truth is like treasure, we should at least be very concerned if the treasure you have could be fake.

 

[BeyondET]

The only "Pro" chatgpt found in Christianity is Jesus. However, it also found that the Gospel of Jesus is not observed by the vast majority of Christianity and that the least religious nations in the world are closer in practice to the core teachings of Jesus. Ironic isn't it?

Don't believe everything it says, china being the least religious nation is far from the core teaching of Jesus. Nor the other top five least religious nations.

 

[timewerx]

Don't believe everything it says,

Even when AI says God exists? I shouldn't believe that statement if it comes from AI?

Perhaps I shouldn't believe everything you say instead??

china being the least religious nation is far from the core teaching of Jesus. Nor the other top five least religious nations.

China would be the exception being communist.

Notice something familiarly ominous with these countries?
Somalia
Niger
Bangladesh
Ethiopia
Yemen

They're some of the worst countries to live in and they're also the most religious countries in the planet. You'd be wrong if you think all these countries are non-Christian. One of them, Ethiopia is predominantly Christian.

Countries that are least religious. Except for China, These countries also have lowest poverty rates, have free or cheap healthcare and education, lowest stress levels, best quality of life, lowest income gap, lowest crime rates etc.

Japan
Hong Kong
Norway
Czech Republic
Denmark
Sweden
Estonia
China

Source:

World’s Most (And Least) Religious Countries, 2024 - CEOWORLD magazine

According to a survey conducted by CEOWORLD magazine, Somalia has once again been ranked as the most religious country in the world. The survey, which included responses from over 820,000 individuals worldwide, ranked 148 countries based on their level of religiousness. Niger came in second...

ceoworld.biz

By their fruits you will know them. The real vs the counterfeit (fake)

 

[timewerx]

If even a soulless machine can suss out the necessity of God, any subsequent human denial is just being obtuse.

AI presents a very strong argument on the God debate highlights its growing capability in its ability to reason correctly and possibly deeper than most humans.

But it also points out some major issues in doctrine if "pushed". By default, AI isn't going to tell you in maintaining "political correctness". But if it senses the discussion is not meant to be politically correct, it might just tell you what's really going on.

1. I am not defending hypocritical behavior, but the fix for that is not more works-based salvation, obviously.

I'm sure you aren't. But even hypocrites are strongly discriminating of their choice of religion or denomination (in Christianity).

Hypocrites tend to gravitate towards a certain flavor of religion. Sadly the religions they gravitate towards isn't the minority but rather the majority.

If a religion encourages such behavior, it is likely to be false.

 

[BeyondET]

Even when AI says God exists? I shouldn't believe that statement if it comes from AI?

Perhaps I shouldn't believe everything you say instead??


China would be the exception being communist.

Notice something familiarly ominous with these countries?
Somalia
Niger
Bangladesh
Ethiopia
Yemen

They're some of the worst countries to live in and they're also the most religious countries in the planet. You'd be wrong if you think all these countries are non-Christian. One of them, Ethiopia is predominantly Christian.

Countries that are least religious. Except for China, These countries also have lowest poverty rates, have free or cheap healthcare and education, lowest stress levels, best quality of life, lowest income gap, lowest crime rates etc.

Japan
Hong Kong
Norway
Czech Republic
Denmark
Sweden
Estonia
China

Source:

World’s Most (And Least) Religious Countries, 2024 - CEOWORLD magazine

According to a survey conducted by CEOWORLD magazine, Somalia has once again been ranked as the most religious country in the world. The survey, which included responses from over 820,000 individuals worldwide, ranked 148 countries based on their level of religiousness. Niger came in second...

ceoworld.biz

By their fruits you will know them. The real vs the counterfeit (fake)

None are preaching core Jesus teachings. You don't believe in God because something or someone says so. You do it because you believe no matter what anybody or AI says

 

[timewerx]

None are preaching core Jesus teachings.

You mean the church doesn't preach the core teachings of Jesus anymore?

You don't believe in God because something or someone says so. You do it because you believe no matter what anybody or AI says

In the absence of sane churches or sane Christians who preaches the core teachings of Jesus, you may have to source your truth elsewhere.

The Holy Spirit won't always show you the truth directly but can also guide you to it. Lead you to it wherever truth exists. Even in science, music, creative expressions, and now AI. Not everything that comes out of them are lies and not every truth would be present in the Bible. (John 21:25)

John 16:13
However, when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak; and he will tell you things to come

 

[Sabertooth]

Remember: this thread is about how AI that has been developed by secular sources affirms Theism, when some minimum constraints are applied. Its criticism of religious hypocrisy is way off topic.

@timewerx, please start a different thread for that.

(I started one.)

 

[timewerx]

Remember: this thread is about how AI that has been developed by secular sources affirms Theism,

@timewerx, please start a different thread for that.

The argument is weak without providing other examples even though I agree with your OP. From a non-believer's perspective - "so what?"

.....when some minimum constraints are applied.

Nothing can disprove truth, facts, etc. With or without constraints.

Everyone knows that without air to breathe, people will die. You don't have to put constraints in order to win the argument. If you have to put constraints to prove a doctrine then the doctrine's credibility is probably flawed or worst - deliberately meant to deceive.

By default, chatgpt AI will tell that Jesus have existed and is/was a real person through various fields of studies.

So I tried to debate chatgpt and convience it that Jesus is never real, made up or a character meant to deceive and mislead people away from the truth God. It's a no-constraints debate and trying my best to win, I still lost.

It's huge win (AI side) for everyone who believes in Jesus. AI presented bulletproof argument.

Unfortunately, I couldn't say the same when analyzing other parts of Bible. Elsewhere, I managed to convince chatgpt that the other characters in the Bible are not only flawed but also flawed in their doctrine that we read in the Bible. It wasn't even hard. All things considered, it was easy convincing chatgpt that Biblical doctrines are false except for the Gospel of Jesus.

Only the Gospel of Jesus passed AI scrutiny.

The most Christians nations are one of the worst nations to live and strongly Christian nations tend to be materialistic, worldly, and morally corrupt. If doctrinal issues are only theories, pure speculation, then why actual results support these issues?

When Jesus told the Pharisees that they travel overseas to win an unbeliever but make them "twice the child of hell" could this be a prophesy of how Christianity will turn out? "Beware the Yeast of the Pharisees". Is that a warning/prophecy that they will win in the end?

I'm afraid that I have to say that AI's analysis of Christian beliefs are most probably accurate. The problem with Christians is they will only accept AI's inputs if its friendly to the doctrine but reject it when it's not.

It's how the Pharisees conducted themselves when faced with Jesus. Did not speak a thing when Jesus told something agreeable to their doctrines but harshly rebuked Jesus when Jesus pointed out their errors. They assumed themselves to be right all the time and Jesus is the one who's wrong.. That's not how you investigate the truth even if Jesus is actually lying.

 

[Sabertooth]

The most Christians nations are one of the worst nations to live and strongly Christian nations tend to be materialistic, worldly, and morally corrupt. If doctrinal issues are only theories, pure speculation, then why actual results support these issues?

I think that you are forgetting that this is the Creationism sub-forum. I placed this thread in this sub-forum because the video's dialogue was Creationism-based.

 

[BeyondET]

You mean the church doesn't preach the core teachings of Jesus anymore?


In the absence of sane churches or sane Christians who preaches the core teachings of Jesus, you may have to source your truth elsewhere.

The Holy Spirit won't always show you the truth directly but can also guide you to it. Lead you to it wherever truth exists. Even in science, music, creative expressions, and now AI. Not everything that comes out of them are lies and not every truth would be present in the Bible. (John 21:25)

John 16:13
However, when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak; and he will tell you things to come

You need to tell AI it's wrong because it's not ironic because it's not the truth.

and that the least religious nations in the world are closer in practice to the core teachings of Jesus. Ironic isn't it?

 

[timewerx]

You need to tell AI it's wrong because it's not ironic because it's not the truth.

Facts = Truth. "By their fruits you will know them" - the counterfeit vs the genuine one.

A false teaching cannot produce good results that's just it.

Matthew 5:11
It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.

What comes out of a person's mouth is what they believe in their heart. The same applies to a whole nation what they believe in the heart and what they speak corrupts them.

If the most Christians nation is also one of the most corrupt nations in the planet then they are facing serious theological issues. If the pattern is consistent across all other nations as well then we have fatal theological issues in the core Christian doctrines.

"Only few will find it" Christianity is not exactly the few anymore, it's now the majority religion in the world.