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Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

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She was wrong but that doesn't necessarily mean she deserved to be killed.
She didnt deserve to die.

Its just that getting killed was a reasonable expectation given her criminal actions and the context of the day. The people in that room and those defending them didnt ask to put in that horrible position. This outcome is on her.
 
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7th keeper you say she was part of the exact mob. Meaning that if I belong to Democrat or Republican Party or the proud boys that gives you the right to shoot me ?
Depends on what you are doing. It certainly doesn't exclude it. If you were breaking in to my house in the US for example, yes, I do believe I'd have the right to shoot you. As the guard/police in the case of Babbitt, as she was breaking in. See what you tried to do there?
You immediately tried to conflate the issue, as if it was just about being part of a group or party or whatever, and not what she was doing. She was part of a mob trying to force their way in, trying to stop a lawful democratic process. The issue is in what she and that group were doing. But I can understand why you'd try to gloss over that.

And so what if she was was first through the breach but was she the one trying to bang the door at the final breach ? No she wasn’t she was quite a distance away occupied with other people. What am I down playing ? Nothing. Only that an officer broke under pressure but the protesters did back off at the site of his drawn gun.
She didn't back off. She was heading straight through. After being warned not to. With people those police were supposed to protect behind them. She wasn't quite a distance away, we literally have the link to the video showing her going through the breach in the door when she gets shot.
A bullet to the ceiling would have been adequate enough for everyone to get the message loud and clear. Do I hold the officer accountable. No I don’t due to the pressure of a highly charged situation.
A bullet to the ceiling indoors? Yeah, let's just hope no one is up there and it's not a thin ceiling. You really have never had any firearms training, have you? They were already aware there was a gun and they'd been warned about what would happen if they tried to go through.

As to you saying with my example of down playing the matter with other protests . Am I ? Considering the that Floyd jones protests were a thousand fold more destructive with hundreds of businesses being raised to the ground and with a much higher loss of life for protester and law enforcement alike. I down play nothing despite what you claim . Even more so considering that the matter of the January protest was over in within a day what I take issue with is the callous coldness of contempt from some here that now label her as traitor. She was a patriot and loyal to her country and never a traitor who tragically lost her life due to the circumstances on that fateful day. About the only sad thing here is the unforgiving spirit of those who here now try to belittle her name even more by now labelling her as a traitor. Ashley was never a traitor
She is a traitor. Betrayed her oaths, very literally. Trying to disrupt and destroy the democratic processes that make one's country what it is, isn't patriotism. She was anything but.
As to my final conclusion you must remember also that many millions of Americans believed that the 2020 election was stolen . Now wether the claims are true or not is not for me to determine here .
... So? Doesn't matter what they believed, they'd still be wrong.
Only that is was many that believed . So we must take that into consideration also that it was a powder keg waiting to spill over and explode . President Trump did offer Nancy Pelosi the services of the national guard weeks prior to the event. Tragically that advice wasn’t heeded and if it were and we wouldn’t be having this discussion here now .
Now here's where you make a false claim. Trump CLAIMS he made that offer, but there is no evidence of it ever being made. His military leadership even confirmed there was no formal offer made.
7th keeper there be enough hatred and unforgiveness in our world today without us adding to the flames. It is wise to let go in order to let life and love flourish once more.
I'm sorry, but... No. No as in, trying to paint a traitor who was killed in the middle of an insurrection attempt, as a patriot, is not "letting go". You're personally trying to fluff her up and make her into something that she's not. Lying about what she was and what happened, isn't letting love flourish.
 
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Depends on what you are doing. It certainly doesn't exclude it. If you were breaking in to my house in the US for example, yes, I do believe I'd have the right to shoot you. As the guard/police in the case of Babbitt, as she was breaking in. See what you tried to do there?
You immediately tried to conflate the issue, as if it was just about being part of a group or party or whatever, and not what she was doing. She was part of a mob trying to force their way in, trying to stop a lawful democratic process. The issue is in what she and that group were doing. But I can understand why you'd try to gloss over that.


She didn't back off. She was heading straight through. After being warned not to. With people those police were supposed to protect behind them. She wasn't quite a distance away, we literally have the link to the video showing her going through the breach in the door when she gets shot.

A bullet to the ceiling indoors? Yeah, let's just hope no one is up there and it's not a thin ceiling. You really have never had any firearms training, have you? They were already aware there was a gun and they'd been warned about what would happen if they tried to go through.



She is a traitor. Betrayed her oaths, very literally. Trying to disrupt and destroy the democratic processes that make one's country what it is, isn't patriotism. She was anything but.

... So? Doesn't matter what they believed, they'd still be wrong.

Now here's where you make a false claim. Trump CLAIMS he made that offer, but there is no evidence of it ever being made. His military leadership even confirmed there was no formal offer made. As to knowing much about guns I don’t but I sort think of such an old building being like an old Queenslander built of real sturdy stuff. But I don’t know that nor the guns power. Perhaps your right

I'm sorry, but... No. No as in, trying to paint a traitor who was killed in the middle of an insurrection attempt, as a patriot, is not "letting go". You're personally trying to fluff her up and make her into something that she's not. Lying about what she was and what happened, isn't letting love flourish.
7th keeper the false claims you say presidentTrump made that he never made the offer. Well he certainly did offer the national guard. Days before Trump had sent his acting defence secretary Christopher Miller and chief of staff Kash Patel they went to the Capitol police and secret service and law enforcement and mayor Bowser to seek the permission to send in thousands of national guards as reinforcements. They asked them directly do you want the national guard. All those mentioned said NO. Unless you want to call Miller and Patel liars in their testimony's. You must remember the law requires them to get permission all the way up to the house speaker. So President Trumps hands were tied when the answer came back NO. But he did ask . IMG_4094.jpeg As to Ashley climbing through the window I already stand corrected on that upon viewing some of the videos . Do read my post 89. As to a ballet in the ceiling as a warning shot perhaps your right I’m just going on the building being old and made of much sturdier stuff like old Queenslanders out here in Australia and no I don’t know much about guns nor the power or the caliber of the gun used. As to you continuing to label Ashley a traitor. Is it not enough the lady now lies 6 foot under. Yet you seem determined to show no mercy nor respect labeling her as a traitor I guess every soldier that marched at that protest you would label a traitor as well . That’s all I say. I cannot change you and only say that there is a very fine line between justice and mercy. ❤️
 
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As to you continuing to label Ashley a traitor. Is it not enough the lady now lies 6 foot under. Yet you seem determined to show no mercy nor respect labeling her as a traitor I guess every soldier that marched at that protest you would label a traitor as well . That’s all I say. I cannot change you and only say that there is a very fine line between justice and mercy. ❤️
Why should she receive respect? She betrayed her oaths and during that, was killed. She did nothing respectable there, quite the opposite. And if those soldiers/former soldiers were marching there with the intent to stop the legal transfer of power and attempted to do so, yes, of course I would label them that. That's what they would be.
 
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On the day that the liberals bring BLM rioters and pro-Hamas rioters to justice shall be the day that I do agree that the J6 protesters were brought to proper justice. But, I don't see that day going to happen.
I think you are waaayyy over estimating how many "liberal" DAs there are.
 
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I think you are waaayyy over estimating how many "liberal" DAs there are.

If they don't have a signed 100% Trump Supporter card on file, they are liberals.
 
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As to you continuing to label Ashley a traitor. Is it not enough the lady now lies 6 foot under. Yet you seem determined to show no mercy nor respect labeling her as a traitor I guess every soldier that marched at that protest you would label a traitor as well . That’s all I say. I cannot change you and only say that there is a very fine line between justice and mercy.
Babbitt being dead does **not** mean she wasn't a traitor to her country and oath. IMG_4094.jpeg
I wouldn't bother about her at all if she weren't being given honors for her betrayal. IMG_4094.jpeg
She was there to interfere with Biden being declared the lawful winner of the election, to pave the way for the plan to submit a false slate of electors for Trump. IMG_4094.jpeg


No, it's not enough that she lays 6 foot under, as we all will eventually (metaphorically as burial isn't a certainty). IMG_4094.jpeg
She was shot as a part of a raging mob that she chose to be at the head of. IMG_4094.jpeg
 
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