We Don’t Need Gun Control, We Need To Classify Gender Dysphoria As A Mental Illness Again

[Postvieww]

Brilliant.

You've managed to show a complete lack of empathy for massacred innocents, zero sympathy for the parents of dead children, you've blamed the murder of kids on Democrats inciting violence, you've politicised an absolute tragedy, you've excused yourself for accepting any blame in actively rejecting any and all proposals for reducing the carnage and denigrated trans and gay people into the bargain.

This is my first and last post in this thread because if I really told you what I thought of it there'd be a lot of 'bless and do not curse' in the post and I'd be banned.

Just shameful. And don't waste your time in responding to this. I'll not be reading anything that follows.

It is a fact that several of gun attacks were by trans individuals which is a problem some on the left are too all too willing to ignore while blaming constitutional freedom loving people for insensitivity for the victims of evil acts. For years many liberal politicians have used children as bait for their fake emotional pleas for all sorts of nonsense. More money for this or that failed program all while crying “it’s for the children “. The Supreme Court has spoken on the gun issue. Gun rights for law abiding citizens are not going away . Where are real solutions from the left to save lives? All I hear is gun rhetoric. Mental illness must be addressed, schools and churches must be allowed to have greater protection.It is shameful to blame people for no empathy while offering no solutions other then blaming lawful gun owners. Our politicians, celebrities , and those with the means are afforded armed protection why is it we can’t do the same for our most precious? It is a fact many times schools and churches are attacked because they are usually soft targets. Save the speeches and offer some real and workable solutions for this country.

 

[Tuur]

f the goal of the article/OP is to be achieved, disarming lbgt folks, see the part of my post you didn’t quote.

Now, to be honest,. the "Progressive" goal seems to be disarming everyone. This, we are told, is a Good Thing.

Everyone can argue about it all they please, and no one will change the other's mind. Will just throw out this observation:

I'm an old man. I remember when you could order firearms from Sears. I remember when you could purchase firearms from hardware stores to department stores. Some drove around with firearms mounted over the back glass in their pickup trucks. Maybe not the brightest thing in the world, but they did it. I've seen cases of shotgun shells sold in grocery stores as a seasonal item. Near the cases of beer, too, and have seen someone pick up a case of shells and a case of beer, which, again, wasn't the brightest thing in the world. There were no background checks. I even remember when there were no waiting periods or forms. Even when you had to fill out forms, you walked in, paid for a firearm, and walked out with it.

These days, the local hardware stores no longer sells firearms. Some Walmarts sell them but the choice is kind of scant. Most department stores don't carry them at all. There are background checks. In some places there are additional waiting periods. And yet, even though it was easier to get a firearm and one practically everywhere, mass shootings weren't a thing. The first I'm aware of happened after restrictions started going into place following JFK's assassination. So now it's harder to find places selling firearms; there are background checks and, in some places waiting periods, and yet mass shootings are something of this era, not the one I grew up in.

From this old man's standpoint, if something is more common in one era than another, that means something changed between the two. If mass shootings are more common now that it's harder to get a firearm than when I grew up, then the problem doesn't seem to be the firearm.

That's going to have some squawking that I'm coming down on lbgt folk or some sort, to which I say that if the above cited demographics are true, then whatever changes happened all across the alphabet and not just lbgt. Yet something did happen, and that something wasn't the availability of firearms. Otherwise, this sort of thing would be more common when I grew up than it is now, when the opposite is true.

Here's something for everyone to scream over: It seems to correspond with removing bible instruction and corporate prayer from schools. Just saying. Not that anyone now would believe such a thing.

 

[Desk trauma]

Here's something for everyone to scream over: It seems to correspond with removing bible instruction and corporate prayer from schools. Just saying. Not that anyone now would believe such a thing.

If only this latest shooter had gone to schools that included prayer and religious instruction as a part of the school day earlier in life. Oh, wait…

 

[Tuur]

If only this latest shooter had gone to schools that included prayer and religious instruction as a part of the school day earlier in life. Oh, wait…

Then what changed? It's harder for a US citizen to buy a firearm than it's ever been, so why are such incidents more frequent now than 60+ years ago?

 

[Desk trauma]

Then what changed? It's harder for a US citizen to buy a firearm than it's ever been, so why are such incidents more frequent now than 60+ years ago?

Vidjah games and ozzy clearly.

 

[Tuur]

Vidjah games and ozzy clearly.

Silly me: I thought this was a serious topic. Sorry to have bothered everyone.

 

[comana]

Then what changed? It's harder for a US citizen to buy a firearm than it's ever been, so why are such incidents more frequent now than 60+ years ago?

Social media is probably high on the list. It’s very easy to go down a rabbit hole of fringe ideology and then stay in a bubble of one’s own design that reinforces that ideology.

 

[Say it aint so]

This thread is like....wow.

Yes, we have all seen those Gender Dysphoria shootings all across the world.
And not just here in the US, the country where more people own the most guns per capita.
Maybe it's just a coincidence the country where more people own guns per capita have the highest mass shootings?
Maybe it's just a coincidence the country where the most road rage shootings take place have the most guns per capita?

But no, it's those darn gender dysphoria folks according to the org that is so pent up on people's sexuality and reproductive rights.

 

[Say it aint so]

It is a fact that several of gun attacks were by trans individuals which is a problem some on the left are too all too willing to ignore while blaming constitutional freedom loving people for insensitivity for the victims of evil acts. For years many liberal politicians have used children as bait for their fake emotional pleas for all sorts of nonsense. More money for this or that failed program all while crying “it’s for the children “. The Supreme Court has spoken on the gun issue. Gun rights for law abiding citizens are not going away . Where are real solutions from the left to save lives? All I hear is gun rhetoric. Mental illness must be addressed, schools and churches must be allowed to have greater protection.It is shameful to blame people for no empathy while offering no solutions other then blaming lawful gun owners. Our politicians, celebrities , and those with the means are afforded armed protection why is it we can’t do the same for our most precious? It is a fact many times schools and churches are attacked because they are usually soft targets. Save the speeches and offer some real and workable solutions for this country.

Never mind those "fake emotional pleas" from "liberal politicians", listen to the parents who have had their children shot dead. Excuse those liberal politicians for echoing their pain. This is vicious cycle. And it goes, school shooting; outrage; followed by "thoughts and prayers" and then; "it's too soon and we shouldn't politicize this"; then nothing gets done: then the next shooting happens, wash, rinse, repeat. Yes, mental illness should be address just as the left has advocated. There was time where federal funding helped keep the doors of mental institutions open. It wasn't the left who shut that down. This admin DOGE'ed every state in a loss for mental health funding, and now it's incumbent on the states who don't have the money to fill that void. There is a problem in the US, and thoughts and prayers and doing nothing is not a plan.

 

[RileyG]

These irreversible interventions euphemistically referred to as lifesaving “gender affirming care” paired with rhetoric from Democrats who undoubtedly incite violence by insisting Republicans are “erasing trans people” have had more than a decade to take effect.
The results, as seen in both science and culture, are less than ideal. Not only are more people than ever struggling with the social contagion of the LGBT movement, but more of those people are also resorting to deadly acts of violence often linked to and motivated by their struggle.

We Need To Classify Gender Dysphoria As A Mental Illness Again

Curbing the rise of shootings committed by gender-bending people starts with treating transgenderism as a serious mental health issue.

thefederalist.com

Such violent movements indeed need to be stopped.

I agree. It’s only going to get worse and worse as the years go by.

Mark my words.

 

[RileyG]

What about all the heterosexual men and women, that do school shootings and other crimes. They has done way more killing and crimes. Than the Transgender , the gay people.

…they are a very tiny minority. That’s why it’s so unheard of then causing crimes.

 

[RileyG]

So the conspiracy is to lock up everyone who's LGBT?

No. Treatment. Talk therapy and medication for those suffering from gender dysphoria and other co-morbid mental disorders.

 

[comana]

…they are a very tiny minority. That’s why it’s so unheard of then causing crimes.

It’s still a fact that the majority of mass shooters are not trans so maybe there is an ulterior motive in highlighting them.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Then what changed? It's harder for a US citizen to buy a firearm than it's ever been, so why are such incidents more frequent now than 60+ years ago?

Is it actually harder now? Sure, now you have to go to more of a specialist store instead of a department store, but you can also buy them online and, if you’re into that sort of thing, on the black market.

Firearms are, on average, a lot better and more capable now than they were 60+ years ago. Ergonomics and reliability have improved a lot while magazine capacities and potential fire rates have increased. Semi-autos existed then but had much less market share among civilians. It’s hard to do a mass shooting with a lever action rifle or a 6-shot revolver.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

These irreversible interventions euphemistically referred to as lifesaving “gender affirming care” paired with rhetoric from Democrats who undoubtedly incite violence by insisting Republicans are “erasing trans people” have had more than a decade to take effect.
The results, as seen in both science and culture, are less than ideal. Not only are more people than ever struggling with the social contagion of the LGBT movement, but more of those people are also resorting to deadly acts of violence often linked to and motivated by their struggle.

We Need To Classify Gender Dysphoria As A Mental Illness Again

Curbing the rise of shootings committed by gender-bending people starts with treating transgenderism as a serious mental health issue.

thefederalist.com

Such violent movements indeed need to be stopped.

The issue addressed here is highly contentious in contemporary society, with both sides often taking uncompromising positions. Nevertheless, it is important to seek areas of common understanding.

Irrespective of political affiliation or perspectives on the Second Amendment, I hope we can come to consensus that individuals with mental disabilities should not be permitted to possess or purchase firearms. Likewise, those convicted of crimes involving the misuse of firearms—such as robbery or intimidation—should face restrictions on gun ownership. Furthermore, individuals with a history of domestic violence should be restricted from gun ownership to ensure the safety of household members.

However, law-abiding citizens have the right to own guns for recreation or personal protection. Unless the constitution is amended, this remains a citizen's right.

The question, therefore, is: rather than removing firearms from law-abiding and responsible individuals, what measures can be implemented to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands?

 

[Valletta]

What about all the heterosexual men and women, that do school shootings and other crimes. They has done way more killing and crimes. Than the Transgender , the gay people.

By percentage transgenders are committing more mass shootings than the rest of the population.

 

[DaisyDay]

What about adjudicated as mentally deficient?

What about it? That means stupid or brain-injured, not gay or trans.

Or do you just want to stick to involuntarily commitment and stretch that out to being a campaign to imprison every LGBTQQIP2SA+ person hyperbole horror story?

It seems another attack on the transgendered community.

Pete Buttigieg will be the first one to go I suppose.

Because he's gay?

By percentage transgenders are committing more mass shootings than the rest of the population.

That's contrary to reality. They're far more likely to be victims than victimizers.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Silly me: I thought this was a serious topic. Sorry to have bothered everyone.

The OP didn't make a serious solution to any problem, just the application of bigotry.

 

[RileyG]

It’s still a fact that the majority of mass shooters are not trans so maybe there is an ulterior motive in highlighting them.

I’m aware. They’re a minority. Mental health issues needs to be addressed, regardless.

 

[RileyG]

The OP didn't make a serious solution to any problem, just the application of bigotry.

Not agreeing with this ideology isn’t bigotry. That word gets tossed around too much.