Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I wouldn't shoot a small, unarmed woman that I could overpower,

You couldn't overpower her, with that crowd.

 

[BPPLEE]

That’s a rare take on the right. Is that what you thought at the time too, totally unjustified use of force? That’s odd. Most on the right were saying Floyd’s actions and his actions alone along with a combination of his weight and past drug use are what contributed to his death.

Floyd had drugs in his system but as a former law enforcement officer I despise Chauvin.
Kneeling on Floyd's neck for over 8 minutes contributed to his death as much as any drugs in his system.
Chauvin is where he belongs

 

[durangodawood]

No one made her join a violent mob and then break into a room where that officer felt an understandable duty to protect others.

To me the outcome seems entirely understandable. And to make her into some kind of cause martyr is just part of the rightwashing of that miserable day and the lies that stoked it.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

We're rewarding a woman, that choose Trump over God. Trump told those people to fight like hell. If you don't , you won't have a country anymore. Then Trump refuses to stop them for hours. Trump is the reason that women died. In some places, when someone dies during a crime ,that you were responsible. They get punished. I guess they don't have that law in Washington DC. Trump is making sure, that these people are rewarded for his evil acts. And sadly people are defending Trump and this lady's evil act.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Which misses the entire point. God loves us so much that God the Son died on the cross for us while we were still His enemies. If the One we call our Master loves us, and from the cross forgave those who crucified him, how then can we do otherwise toward others? Who they are doesn't matter, and for us that can sometimes be a hard thing, but it didn't matter to God, so how can we let that matter to us?

How, then, can we justify hatred of a person, regardless of who they are? Oh, the world does that, but Christians are to be of Christ and not of the world.

Looking over the posts, there's a whole lot of hate here. It's one thing to say that Ms. Babbitt didn't rate a military burial because of participating in the January 6 riot; quite another to hate her personally for that. Not that, I suspect, how she was buried mattered a whole lot to her, but it did to her family, and funerals are for the living, not the dead. My point being that while this section is open to non-Christians, should Christians agree with hate?

Looking at the hate, I really wonder if any Christian should be associated with CF at all.

Call me old fashioned but people part of a mob looking to interfere with democracy zeroing in on an area where elected representatives are sheltering-in-place being shot by said representatives security aren’t exactly the people who I add to my Christmas card list.

 

[Chesterton]

None of us have, because that video doesn't exist. I've watched the video of her shooting dozens of times...

Dozens of times? No offense, but it doesn't seem healthy to have such a fascination with watching a murder.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Dozens of times? No offense, but it doesn't seem healthy to have such a fascination with watching a murder.

That's nothing compared to the stuff I watch on reddit.

That said, the obsession is with arguing with you guys about your nonsensical takes, which I concede is probably not healthy.

 

[BPPLEE]

That's what he thought at the time from what I remember. Floyd contributed to what happened, but there's no way to justify what was done to him.

That’s what who thought? I have never defended Chauvin if you’re talking about me

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Floyd had drugs in his system but as a former law enforcement officer I despise Chauvin.
Kneeling on Floyd's neck for over 8 minutes contributed to his death as much as any drugs in his system.
Chauvin is where he belongs

Fair enough and I’m sorry for assuming your position on the Floyd case. I think we can agree the situation at the Capitol was much more tense from a LE pov than what Chauvin encountered when he responded to the Floyd call.

 

[BPPLEE]

Fair enough and I’m sorry for assuming your position on the Floyd case. I think we can agree the situation at the Capitol was much more tense from a LE pov than what Chauvin encountered when he responded to the Floyd call.

Floyd was handcuffed and in the back of a patrol car. He never should have been taken out of that car until they got to the jail.

 

[essentialsaltes]

But the family was awarded a substantial settlement

Not by a court. By the Trump administration.
(Sorry, others were much quicker off the mark.)

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't know why some feel the need to demonize Babbitt. She was wrong but she didn't deserve to be killed over it.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I don't know why some feel the need to demonize Babbitt. She was wrong but she didn't deserve to be killed over it.

Arguably, no one deserves to be killed, but her death was a foreseeable consequence of her actions. Frankly, I'm slightly shocked that she was the only rioter killed. And I think a lot of the vitriol is backlash towards those who seek to elevate her or paint her as some sort of martyr. Trying to lift up the memory of someone who died trying to overthrow the government in service to a lie is naturally going to anger those who see the lie for what it is.

 

[7thKeeper]

Dozens of times? No offense, but it doesn't seem healthy to have such a fascination with watching a murder.

Wasn't a murder though. Someone getting shot, yes, but not a murder.

 

[RileyG]

Arguably, no one deserves to be killed, but her death was a foreseeable consequence of her actions. Frankly, I'm slightly shocked that she was the only rioter killed. And I think a lot of the vitriol is backlash towards those who seek to elevate her or paint her as some sort of martyr. Trying to lift up the memory of someone who died trying to overthrow the government in service to a lie is naturally going to anger those who see the lie for what it is.

Sounds like she was deeply brainwashed by QAnon conspiracy theories.

If only she didn’t proceed to break into the speakers lobby window, maybe, just maybe, she would be alive today.

 

[Kathleen30]

Considering the lack of any actual enemies within, I don't find this argument convincing. People who are tricked or mislead into traitorous actions are still traitors. We have to accept some level of personal responsibility for our actions.

Being a traitor does not require violence or "coming fully loaded." Though it should be noted that some people did so (see those charged with seditious conspiracy, or the guy who was walking around in body armor with a supply of restraints).

I agree with that.

Her actions would belie that assertion.

Might I suggest avoiding right-wing characterizations of the events? About 1600 people were charged (of about 10,000 who trespassed on the Capitol grounds). Of those, around 500 were sentenced to prison time, with the majority getting a couple months at most. None were charged with treason - they were jailed for federal crimes including assaulting police officers, trespassing, obstructing an official proceeding, and, in about a half a dozen cases, seditious conspiracy. The longest sentences went to people convicted of violent felonies and those convicted of seditious conspiracy.

I agree - and that's what the majority of those who were charged (who weren't even a majority of those present) received. Misdemeanor convictions with a sentence of a fine, community service, or home confinement.

Rock one you say ( considering the lack of any actual enemies within you don’t find my argument convincing. Well when considering that the birth of your nation was born upon a revolution against the British who held dominion over America at the time and might I say many other nations who have tasted the tyrannical rule of their own governments actions throughout history. I would say my case is rather strong. And the very reason your founding fathers wrote the clause in. That yes ones own government can also be traitorous and tyrannical and held accountable and it not just be for the common people of the land.

As to Ashley’s actions guilty of trespassing nothing more . Did she harm anyone
NO or betray her country NO. Do remember it was supposed be a peaceful protest that turned ugly And certainly never an insurrection as many claim

Rock one you than go on to point out that of the 10,000 arrested only 500 were jailed. Ok . But seems of that 500 most of the charges of the charge of sedition and treason were later dropped after many yrs of languishing in jail due to the many Surveillance videos that finally saw light of day showing that many of these were not in the act of usurping the government often being escorted around by police officers and doing no violence to anyone. Yes there were certainly a minority that be guilty of the crimes you mention and they still languish in jail today. And rightly so .

But at the same time when evaluating what took place at the capital in 2021 that only lasted for a number of hour's when compared to the George Floyd protests or the supposed summer of love that went on like forever where many city centres and hundred's of businesses were looted and destroyed and many more civilians and police killed and injured. Yet there was never any consequences for the majority of those that participated in such activities. Rock one Yet when it came to the January sixers there was no mercy shown nor resources denied to hunt all down even the innocent. A tale of two contradictory situations I guess. One rule thee and another for me : ) . And finally Rock one you mention to me to avoid using right wing characterisations I can’t remember ever doing so. But what gives you the right to deny others their political thought ? But when considering that the reality is that many right wingers were persecuted unjustly if we must go there. You must remember that a American president was impeached even if he only ever said GO PEACEFULLY and let your voices be heard. And being fully exonerated later from such false charges which were merely fabricated for political reasons and revenge . Rock One I simply evaluate both sides of the coin Many Here don’t . Wishing you a pleasant day or evening in your part of the world . Kathleen

 

[7thKeeper]

As to Ashley’s actions guilty of trespassing nothing more . Did she harm anyone
NO or betray her country NO.

Yes. She literally tried to stop a lawful transfer of power as part of a mob, a mob which was chanting about hanging the vice president.

 

[Bradskii]

I wouldn't shoot a small, unarmed woman that I could overpower,

I'm in a hotel. There's a disturbance. People are breaking in. Violently. Windows are being smashed. Security are being beaten. I'm with a group of people and these rioters are determined to prevent us doing what we came there to do. We manage to get up to one of the meeting rooms on the first floor. We can hear the mob getting closer. I call my wife and tell her that things aren't looking too good and that I love her. Now the mob is outside the door and trying to break it down. I'm armed.

I swear I am going to shoot the first person that comes through that door.

 

[Kathleen30]

Yes. She literally tried to stop a lawful transfer of power as part of a mob, a mob which was chanting about hanging the vice president.

7thkeeper If we go with the verbal or chants from protesters from either side of the political realm as justification to shoot them. Then there would be a awful lot of dead protesters around if that be the case. Ashley wasn’t ones of the ones trying to knock the door down when she was tragically shot . Notice in the video when the ones bashing the door in see the gun they draw back off immediately. Sadly for Ashley some distance away got to wear the fatal shot instead

 

[7thKeeper]

7thkeeper If we go with the verbal or chants from protesters from either side of the political realm as justification to shoot them. Then there would be a awful lot of dead protesters around if that be the case. Ashley wasn’t ones of the ones trying to knock the door down when she was tragically shot . Notice in the video when the ones bashing the door in see the gun they draw back off immediately. Sadly for Ashley some distance away got to wear the fatal shot instead

She was literally part of that exact mob and the first one to try to get through the breach and was shot doing so, after being warned. But I love how you try to downplay this as if it was even anything similar to a protest where people are chanting and hold placards on a street, like those two situations had anything in common. There was nothing sad about what happened, except for some Americans being involved in an actual violent attempt to stop a lawful transfer of power. That's sad. And the attempts to try to downplay this or justify it.