A whites-only community in Arkansas looking to start a franchise in Missouri

[FreeinChrist]

Distraction. This ridiculous idea has not appeared in this thread.

This and much of this thread is an irrelevant distraction from the topic of the OP. The establishment of enforced racial segregation in a community.

The whataboutism is strong in this thread. And the efforts to justify racism are just sad.

 

[ozso]

Distraction. This ridiculous idea has not appeared in this thread.

This and much of this thread is an irrelevant distraction from the topic of the OP. The establishment of enforced racial segregation in a community.

It's being said that the RTTL don't have the right to exclude whomever they want to on their remote 160 acre property. And that it's wrong for the government to sell land to them because they want to make it exclusive private property.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Any private property. Those who buy land get to decide who goes onto their land and who doesn't. There's several 160 acer (or lager) farms where I live. I don't get to go onto their land because it's private property and I don't have their permission. They have the right to exclude me.

They are businesses. They have the right to control their land as it is their business. They have the right to exclude free-loaders, or others who will do damage. Same with stores in towns. They have the right to trespass those who do damage or are not going to buy anything and are loitering.

 

[ozso]

But the Amish do business with non Amish. The traditional horse and buggy Mennonites where I am staying hire non-Mennonites, and have quite a few Hispanics marrying into the community, and accepting that faith. That is good in the long run in regards to genetics, and expanding their faith.

"The argument from the left is that there shouldn't be any private property and all purchased land should be open to everyone. "
That is creative but not the opinion of the "left".

All private properties can say who can be there and who cannot. Businesses can trespass people. All farmers can say who can be on their land.

Yes, all those who own private property can exclude anyone they want to. But it seems that it's being said the RTTL doesn't have that same right as everyone else.

 

[FreeinChrist]

It's being said that the RTTL don't have the right to exclude whomever they want to on their remote 160 acre property. And that it's wrong for the government to sell land to them because they want to make it exclusive private property.

The RTTL is an exclusive club membership. What is being said is that it is flat out racism as they only want white, non=Jewish people to be members.

Like Neo-Nazis.

Let's hear it for the KKK, huh?

 

[ozso]

They are businesses. They have the right to control their land as it is their business. They have the right to exclude free-loaders, or others who will do damage. Same with stores in towns. They have the right to trespass those who do damage or are not going to buy anything and are loitering.

And thus the RTTL gets to exclude whoever they want to from their 160 acres, correct?

 

[ozso]

The RTTL is an exclusive club membership. What is being said is that it is flat out racism as they only want white, non=Jewish people to be members.

Like Neo-Nazis.

Let's hear it for the KKK, huh?

It's a free country. People get to be a nazis if they want to. And if someone want's to make their remote property into a nazi compound, they have the right to do so. Like I said, I would think most would want them sequestered out in some remote area. I'd be happy for them all moving to their own island out in the middle of the Pacific.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's being said that the RTTL don't have the right to exclude whomever they want to

Is it?

 

[FreeinChrist]

And thus the RTTL gets to exclude whoever they want to from their 160 acres, correct?

Is it racist in your opinion?

Afterall, the article includes:

“Whites should have the ability to live among their own people if that’s what they want to do, and mass immigration is quickly making that nearly impossible in many Western nations,” Orwoll said.​

You have changed the goalposts in the thread. It is a matter of should there be a club like RTTL? Is it a sign of the increasing acceptance of racism by whites again?

 

[ozso]

Is it?

What's the complaint then?

 

[iluvatar5150]

What's the complaint then?

That they're racists. I'll add that they're garbage people because of it.

 

[ozso]

Is it racist in your opinion?

Afterall, the article includes:

“Whites should have the ability to live among their own people if that’s what they want to do, and mass immigration is quickly making that nearly impossible in many Western nations,” Orwoll said.​

You have changed the goalposts in the thread. It is a matter of should there be a club like RTTL? Is it a sign of the increasing acceptance of racism by whites again?

I'm saying it's the right of every American to belong to whatever group they want to, and to exclude anyone they want to from their privately owned land for whatever reason they want to.

 

[ozso]

That they're racists. I'll add that they're garbage people because of it.

And they have the right to be so in this country. But why would anyone be bothered by garbage people segregating themselves to some remote piece of garbage people only land? Would you want to go there? I know I wouldn't.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Do blacks want to buy in the 150-160 acres located in a remote area of the Ozarks in northeastern Arkansas? Is a measly 160 acres way out in the sticks, that most likely absolutely nobody else is interested in, really something to make a big deal out of? It just sounds like a commune to me.

And why do whites want to belong to a club that is 'in the sticks'?

Yes, folks can be filled with hate and bias. Laws come in when the behavior that results from that hate and bias require it.

As a Christian, though, I chose against acceptance of racist ideas like 'white only clubs, etc" and of the ideology behind it.

 

[iluvatar5150]

And they have the right to be so in this country. But why would anyone be bothered by garbage people segregating themselves to some remote piece of garbage people only land?

Because this sort of thing has a way of spreading.

Would you want to go there? I know I wouldn't.

And yet, you feel compelled to throw up a bunch of nonsensical comments in defense of them.

 

[ozso]

And why do whites want to belong to a club that is 'in the sticks'?

They want to live in their own little world. And why wouldn't the rest of us want them segregated from everyone else?

Yes, folks can be filled with hate and bias. Laws come in when the behavior that results from that hate and bias require it.

Well there's no law that I know of that prohibits some group from buying a 160 acres of remote land and excluding whomever they want to from going onto it. Which really would be anyone who's opposed to them, no matter how white they happen to be.

As a Christian, though, I chose against acceptance of racist ideas like 'white only clubs, etc" and of the ideology behind it.

That's a personal choice that every American is free to make. Personally I don't really care if someone wants to make their property white only, or black only, or Toyota drivers only, or whatever only. I'm reminded of a Sherlock Holms story called "The Red-Headed League" that only allowed red haired people. And they'd vigorously scrub the hair of those wanting to join to make sure it wasn't dyed.

 

[d taylor]

I thought you were justifying whites only arrangements today because God announced a similar intent for Jews back in Deuteronomic times. Is that not correct?


Is that how we are to interpret the Bible? ....that every act of God from the beginning is a model for permissible human behavior going forward?

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I do not use The Bible to justify actions of people. How you interpret is directly connected to your beliefs, just like the ones who make Jesus out to be a socialist, etc... Because they have liberal beliefs or a conservative saying Jesus is a republican.

It is like the football team praying for victory over another team, who is praying for a victory of that team.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What group mentioned in this thread has set up exclusionary membership rules? The white guys in the OP and (assuming your descriptions are accurate) the HOA's you mentioned. None of the pro-black groups have. That's not just a "legal distinction."

https://thefreedomgeorgiainitiative.com/

From the 'Our Vision' section
Our vision is to develop our vast resource-rich 502 acres of land just outside Toomsboro, GA for the establishment of an innovative community for environmentally sustainable-living, health & wellness, agricultural & economic development, arts & culture for generations to come. Our aim is to be a premier recreational, educational, and cultural destination for Black families across the African diaspora.


And they link their Fundraising campaign as well

https://www.gofundme.com/f/building-a-thriving-black-safe-haven

Building a Black Safe Haven

We asking for your help to raise $88,000 to help clear the land, hire a team to build roads, pavilions, gazebos, & benches, dig a well for water, create a small camping supply store, connect electricity, and install Wi-FI capabilities to make our Black-owned private land a premier event site for Black families in the age of social distancing. Imagine with us if you will a place full of life and activity where Black families can enjoy the great outdoors, practice sportsmen activities, and connect with nature and the many healing and mental wellness benefits it provides.



Now, replace the word "Black" with "White" and the word "African" with "European" and read it out loud and see how it sounds.

Not too great, right?


That's because while they're not making any "codified rules" about others not being allowed in, it's still giving off a somewhat exclusionary vibe, and the mission statement and listed goals is making it pretty clear who that space is for (and more importantly, giving strong indicators of who it's not for)


If you read that to a Black person (with the word swaps I mentioned), do you think that Black person would be comfortable going there or assume they're welcomed?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I disagree, because if it was any other group wanting 160 acers in a remote area to themselves, that wouldn't be an issue. What really is an issue is the idea that someone who buys 160 acres of land, can't call it private property and keep anyone off it they want to.

Of course it would be an issue. If the Nation of Islam was doing this it'd also be bad.

So why are you defending it?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[d taylor]

Even if we accept that story as literal (which... lol), it was a punishment, not an ideal, and the intent was to get them to spread out, not to ostracize or shun others.

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Actually it was God dealing with sinful mankind in the age of satan. As the coming Messianic age, again all Jews will live in Israel and Jerusalem and all Jews will be believers in Jesus, while all gentiles will live on the rest of the earth (which again will be a single piece of land {which is my belief})