A whites-only community in Arkansas looking to start a franchise in Missouri

[durangodawood]

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Was God choosing a people for Himself raciest.

“For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

Did God announce a similar intent for "white people" in America?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I think they are under the false assumption that race equals shared values.

Unless, of course, those shared values relate to racial supremacy.

 

[d taylor]

Did God announce a similar intent for "white people" in America?

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Why would you ask that question, as that was never the eventual point to be taken from my post.

It was God who scattered and separated people into different groups.

Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

 

[durangodawood]

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Why would you ask that question, as that was never the eventual point to be taken from my post.

I thought you were justifying whites only arrangements today because God announced a similar intent for Jews back in Deuteronomic times. Is that not correct?

It was God who scattered and separated people into different groups.

Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

Is that how we are to interpret the Bible? ....that every act of God from the beginning is a model for permissible human behavior going forward?

 

[ozso]

Do you respect the idea of "Crip territory"?

What does that have to do with it's existence and the existence of other exclusive territories and properties?

 

[durangodawood]

What does that have to do with it's existence and the existence of other exclusive territories and properties?

I thought you were using the existence of Crip territory to justify whites only arrangements.

If not, then what was your point?

 

[Fantine]

Yes, Arkansas has groups such as this, but northern Arkansas also has Eureka Springs, with diversity weekends, Opera of the Ozarks, writers' workshops and retreats. Artsy, liberal.
Northwest Arkansas has the finest museum of American Art in the country--Crystal Bridges. Lots of arts and culture. Fayetteville is filled with progressive ideas.
There is diversity here, thank.goodness.

 

[FreeinChrist]

They want a place where they're among their own kind. What about the Amish community? Why isn't there an upset over a large area in Pennsylvania that's exclusively inhabited by Germanic people who have very strict rules about what's not allowed there?

No. There is a large area that where a lot of Amish moved to and homesteaded when as they came to America but they are not exclusively Amish.

 

[ozso]

No. There is a large area that where a lot of Amish moved to and homesteaded when as they came to America but they are not exclusively Amish.

If you say so, but based on documentaries I've seen they all live by a very strict code. Like totally in their own separate world. They even have a potential gene pool problem because they're all related to each other in some way.

 

[iluvatar5150]

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Why would you ask that question, as that was never the eventual point to be taken from my post.

It was God who scattered and separated people into different groups.

Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

Even if we accept that story as literal (which... lol), it was a punishment, not an ideal, and the intent was to get them to spread out, not to ostracize or shun others.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Again, the key difference is that Freedom, GA isn't keeping out non-blacks the way that the group in the OP is keeping out non-whites:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/12/us/freedom-black-cooperative-toomsboro/index.html

So would this situation be more comparable to this sort of thing?

Black Students-Only Housing Set Up at Washington University

The housing program will have space for 40 students and "will explore and celebrate the diversity" of Black culture.

www.newsweek.com

(at least in terms of intent)

Or perhaps it's more comparable to the Jewish retirement communities I mentioned before?


While, on paper, there's obviously a legal distinction between
"Outright denial of entry"
vs.
"Setting up a bunch of rules and membership requirements that all but guarantee it's only one kind of person getting in"

...but it seems like the intent is the same, that being a "stick with your own kind" sentiment.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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That was not the point of my post, you said it was a poor place that no whites wanted to live. Whether they wanted to live there is not the point, but that it was not a poor place.

It was a place where freed slaves tried to set up community and live . That city has an interesting beginning per Wikipedia

Mound Bayou, Mississippi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mound Bayou traces its origin to freed African Americans from the community of Davis Bend, Mississippi. Davis Bend was started in the 1820s by planter Joseph E. Davis (elder brother of former Confederate president Jefferson Davis), who intended to create a model slave community on his plantation. Davis was influenced by the utopian ideas of Robert Owen. He encouraged self-leadership in the slave community, provided a higher standard of nutrition and health and dental care, and allowed slaves to become merchants. In the aftermath of the Civil War, Davis Bend became an autonomous free community when Davis sold his property to former slave Benjamin Montgomery, who had run a store and been a prominent leader at Davis Bend. The prolonged agricultural depression, falling cotton prices, flooding by the Mississippi River, and white hostility in the region contributed to the economic failure of Davis Bend.​

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Isaiah T. Montgomery, Benjamin's son, led the founding of Mound Bayou in 1887 in northwest Mississippi. The bottomlands of the Delta were a relatively undeveloped frontier, and freedmen had a chance to make money by clearing land and using the profits to buy lands in such frontier areas. In 1892, the Mound Bayou Normal Institute, a black school was founded by the American Missionary Association.[7]​

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The land had little development and freed slaves were trying simply to have a place to live. Even now it is not exclusively black.

To be comparable to the community in Arkansas in the OP, it would have to be a community expressly developed to exclude non-blacks, and to promote black culture.

 

[essentialsaltes]

If you say so, but based on documentaries I've seen they all live by a very strict code. Like totally in their own separate world.

Nobody is stopping anybody from doing likewise. Don't want to watch television? Don't watch television. Don't want to get gay married? Don't get gay married.

This and much of this thread is an irrelevant distraction from the topic of the OP. The establishment of enforced racial segregation in a community.

 

[iluvatar5150]

So would this situation be more comparable to this sort of thing?

Black Students-Only Housing Set Up at Washington University

The housing program will have space for 40 students and "will explore and celebrate the diversity" of Black culture.

www.newsweek.com

(at least in terms of intent)

Or perhaps it's more comparable to the Jewish retirement communities I mentioned before?

WWU's website isn't loading for me at the moment, but according to the description of a similar program at a different school in Washington, yes, it sounds like Freedom, GA and "Black Affinity Housing" are similar in intent (i.e. celebrating blackness) and exclusivity (i.e. not exclusive).

While, on paper, there's obviously a legal distinction between
"Outright denial of entry"
vs.
"Setting up a bunch of rules and membership requirements that all but guarantee it's only one kind of person getting in"

...but it seems like the intent is the same, that being a "stick with your own kind" sentiment.

What group mentioned in this thread has set up exclusionary membership rules? The white guys in the OP and (assuming your descriptions are accurate) the HOA's you mentioned. None of the pro-black groups have. That's not just a "legal distinction."

 

[FreeinChrist]

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Was God choosing a people for Himself raciest.

“For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

Except that even that holy people had others who were accepted into there group. Consider Ruth who was from Moab Zipporah, wife of Moses, was from Midian. Faith also mattered greatly.

But God had a purpose for that holy people for the purpose of the Incarnation. We live in the new covenant now. Believers are His holy people.

The racism behind the group in the OP is anti-Christ.

 

[ozso]

Nobody is stopping anybody from doing likewise. Don't want to watch television? Don't watch television. Don't want to get gay married? Don't get gay married.

This and much of this thread is an irrelevant distraction from the topic of the OP. The establishment of enforced racial segregation in a community.

Yeah, it's called private property. There's a lot of farms where I live that are at least 160 acres, and those who own that land get to decide who's allowed to go onto their land and who isn't. The argument from the left is that there shouldn't be any private property and all purchased land should be open to everyone. Because if RTTL doesn't get to do relegate who goes onto their property, then no one else gets to either.

 

[FreeinChrist]

What does that have to do with it's existence and the existence of other exclusive territories and properties?

What other "exclusive territories and properties?" I already provided AI responses that the Amish communities are not exclusive in regards to land ownership. 'Crip territory' is just the area where the Crips are strong in membership. They aren't cities,.

The whataboutism is interesting, in that people are trying hard to excuse flat out racism which is NOT of God.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The argument from the left is that there shouldn't be any private property

Distraction. This ridiculous idea has not appeared in this thread.

This and much of this thread is an irrelevant distraction from the topic of the OP. The establishment of enforced racial segregation in a community.

 

[ozso]

What other "exclusive territories and properties?" I already provided AI responses that the Amish communities are not exclusive in regards to land ownership. 'Crip territory' is just the area where the Crips are strong in membership. They aren't cities,.

The whataboutism is interesting, in that people are trying hard to excuse flat out racism which is NOT of God.

Any private property. Those who buy land get to decide who goes onto their land and who doesn't. There's several 160 acer (or lager) farms where I live. I don't get to go onto their land because it's private property and I don't have their permission. They have the right to exclude me.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Yeah, it's called private property. There's a lot of farms where I live that are at least 160 acres, and those who own that land get to decide who's allowed to go onto their land and who isn't. The argument from the left is that there shouldn't be any private property and all purchased land should be open to everyone. Because if RTTL doesn't get to do relegate who goes onto their property, then no one else does either.

But the Amish do business with non Amish. The traditional horse and buggy Mennonites where I am staying hire non-Mennonites, and have quite a few Hispanics marrying into the community, and accepting that faith. That is good in the long run in regards to genetics, and expanding their faith.

"The argument from the left is that there shouldn't be any private property and all purchased land should be open to everyone. "
That is creative but not the opinion of the "left".

All private properties can say who can be there and who cannot. Businesses can trespass people. All farmers can say who can be on their land.