Blameless in the Law

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And I have to stay at home as my wife fell at home and broke her hip in Nov 1 and has been many issues .

So the book of MATTHEW is not ALL written to Israel ??

How about the book of Revelation ??

dan p

Every Word, jot and tittle is for everyone. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

As to the "poll" it is woefully inadequate in selections.

The difficulties with scripture are that there can be 2 things that are opposite of each other, and both can be true.

We can read in the O.T. of the wise and the fool for example, and most will automatically presume they are always the wise, and probably used to be a fool, but not now.

But that was never the case. We're all BOTH.

Same thing happens when we read about a good tree producing good fruit and a bad tree that can not produce anything but bad fruit. And everyone who reads will be deceived into thinking they only produce good fruit, never bad. When the fact is we all produce BOTH.

And on and on it goes. With most in denial of HALF of what God says as applicable to themselves. Always the "bad" half for some odd reasons. I think they call it divine brown nosing trying to save our sorry hides.

Fact is no one merits salvation by any means in and of themselves, least of all following the laws. Our evil conscience betrays us every last time. Mark 7:21-23, first excusing then accusing. Jer. 17:9 did not stop being true after salvation. The heart is deceitful above all things, period. Desperately wicked. This is proven out before our own faces every day of our lives in the "whole world" and in our own back yard.

We are saved solely by the unmerited favor, the Grace and Mercy of God in Christ who IS ENTIRELY ABLE to secure us ALL. Subsequent necessary thought adjustments for all notwithstanding.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

God is, indeed, under obligation not to destroy the world again by a flood. He made the covenant and, as a sign, set His bow in the sky. God has placed Himself in a similar position regarding various provisions for His creation.

Perhaps not quite accurate above:

Matthew 24:37-39
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I wouldn't say it's going to be water, but obviously LIKE. What that like might be could vary in the beholders. The majority will be blissfully unaware, eating, drinking, getting hitched up in the processes of daily living.

Obviously there is more to the story than meets the eye. And there are specific disclosures in the scriptures as to this exact matter, in the O.T. from the prophets as to how it "will be" at the last hurrah.

Paul gave us a huge hint when he showed that God does things first, in the natural, and THEN, in the spiritual.

So these various events have all be foreshadowed in the natural, and in many ways are still being foreshadowed in the natural, Romans 7:13 for example.

 

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How about Moses on the mount - clearly saved by the timeless event of the Cross, and in his glorious body, yet a murderer. Saved by the blood of Jesus which broke the curse of the law that demanded eternal death. And I don't expect Moses and Elijah are the only resurrected saints in eternity already...

We do not know if Moses was resurrected, or when. He might have been among the number of folks who appeared in Jerusalem after Christ's resurrection. We do know that Moses died on Mount Nebo and the Lord buried him (Deuteronomy 34). There is no record in scripture about the resurrection of Moses. Many infer that because Moses appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration with Elijah that he was in a resurrected physical body, but it is just as reasonable understand him as being in a glorified spiritual body.

As for Elijah, as well as Enoch, neither of them died nor were resurrected. The Lord took them both directly into heaven.

 

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Perhaps not quite accurate above:

Matthew 24:37-39
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I wouldn't say it's going to be water, but obviously LIKE. What that like might be could vary in the beholders. The majority will be blissfully unaware, eating, drinking, getting hitched up in the processes of daily living.

Obviously there is more to the story than meets the eye. And there are specific disclosures in the scriptures as to this exact matter, in the O.T. from the prophets as to how it "will be" at the last hurrah.

Paul gave us a huge hint when he showed that God does things first, in the natural, and THEN, in the spiritual.

So these various events have all be foreshadowed in the natural, and in many ways are still being foreshadowed in the natural, Romans 7:13 for example.

It assuredly will not be water. Peter is quite explicit about that.

II Peter 3:3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

It assuredly will not be water. Peter is quite explicit about that.

Actually it will be, in the spiritual sense

 

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Actually it will be, in the spiritual sense

Right!!! It will also be pasta, in a spiritual sense.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Many infer that because Moses appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration with Elijah that he was in a resurrected physical body, but it is just as reasonable understand him as being in a glorified spiritual body.

Mmmm... I thought a true resurrection was both spiritual and physical ???

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Right!!! It will also be pasta, in a spiritual sense.

Maybe einkorn pasta?

Ephesians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Obviously water is an allegory here ^

Some of course take it literally, an insist on full immersion baptism, but that's really not the heart of the matter.

Waters are a cough cough, deep subject in scripture. You have to swim down deep to see the sea creatures therein

The dragon for example has waters too:

Revelation 12:16
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

So here we get a hint that "water" actually flows out of the mouth. We have "living waters" in our belly.

John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

I could go on at length, but if anyone hasn't dived in to this matter, they'll get immediately lost. Drowned at sea, so to speak

But YES, adamantly YES, thee end will come with a flood. Like nothing we've ever seen before. A bigun

Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

 

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Mmmm... I thought a true resurrection was both spiritual and physical ???

All believers go to be with the Lord after death, although their bodies remain here on earth until Christ returns when they will be resurrected. They are, as Paul says in II Corinthians 5:8, "absent from the body, but present with the Lord". There is a popular heresy that believers experience "soul sleep" after they die.

The spirits of people are never resurrected because they never die. Their bodies, however, do die, and will be resurrected. All people will experience physical resurrection, after which comes the judgement.

 

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Maybe einkorn pasta?

Ephesians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Obviously water is an allegory here ^

Some of course take it literally, an insist on full immersion baptism, but that's really not the heart of the matter.

Waters are a cough cough, deep subject in scripture. You have to swim down deep to see the sea creatures therein

The dragon for example has waters too:

Revelation 12:16
And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

So here we get a hint that "water" actually flows out of the mouth. We have "living waters" in our belly.

John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

I could go on at length, but if anyone hasn't dived in to this matter, they'll get immediately lost. Drowned at sea, so to speak

But YES, adamantly YES, thee end will come with a flood. Like nothing we've ever seen before. A bigun

Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Genesis 9:8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Genesis 9:8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

The first/natural waters destroyed the natural man. Per plan. The natural man has always been fated for (eventual) termination.

The fate of the 2nd man awaits is not realized until we put off the so called "mortal coil" and are "made spirits." 1 Cor. 15:42-56

Isaiah 54:
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

So yes, some read Jesus' Words of "as in the days of Noah" and they see DOOM and GLOOM. And it will be DOOM and GLOOM for the devil and his messengers.

But NOT for people. That is another matter altogether

 

[Yarddog]

(CLV) Php 3:6
in acrelation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in acrelation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.


(CLV) Lk 1:5
There came to be, in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zechariah, of the routine of Abiah, and his wife, of the daughters of Aaron, and her name is Elizabeth.

(CLV) Lk 1:6
Now they were both just in front of God, going in all the precepts and just statutes of the Lord, blameless.

Who says it's impossible?

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Does Yahshua call us to the impossible?

What is impossible for man, Jesus has accomplished for us. Now we just have to accept that and let the Spirit of God live within us.

 

[HARK!]

What is impossible for man, Jesus has accomplished for us.

What was that?

 

[Yarddog]

What was that?

Leading the perfect life. Dying for those deserving death. Rising from death and sitting down next to the Father.

 

[HARK!]

What is impossible for man, Jesus has accomplished for us.

What was that?

Leading the perfect life

Let's start here. After all I pulled it from the OP.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Does Yahshua call us to the impossible?

Are you suggesting that Yahshua got it wrong. or that he called his disciples to the impossible?

If not, then what are you saying?

Your statement seems to be contradicting our Messiah.

 

[Yarddog]

Let's start here. After all I pulled it from the OP.

Are you suggesting that Yahshua got it wrong.

Nope

or that he called his disciples to the impossible?

Man cannot justify himself. We fail when we try.

If not, then what are you saying?

Jesus lived the perfect life that we cannot live. When we surrender to God's Holy Spirit, we receive Jesus' perfection through faith. If we allow God's Spirit to change us, it will teach us Love. As our love grows, we lose the desire to do things that will hurt others and our desire is to please God.

We haven't changed ourselves. God has.

Your statement seems to be contradicting our Messiah.

Nope.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The Law is violated internally, by everyone. There is no getting around the facts that evil thoughts, lawless thoughts, defile everyone. That is the entire point of the law. And we all go kicking a screaming about how righteous we are.

How about being honest about this fact from Jesus sometime? You know, see what happens when you play it straight with Him:

Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Personally, and no offense to any particular offender, but whenever I hear anyone claiming to be legally obedient, I automatically know that person is controlled by a LIAR. I blame this kind of activity on the devil, the tempter, deceiving us into thinking we're legally compliant when that was never the case from day 1 of mankind. It should be the most obvious conclusion in the scriptures, but for some odd reason it escapes our sights and we fall into continual self justifications and various forms of worshipping our personal will/choices under the phony free will flag when the fact is the tempter does have access to our minds and hearts as well, OR we are our own tempter, which is an entirely different form of demonic deception.

Anyway, some may think themselves legally obedient, but the evil thoughts, the lawless thoughts of no one can ever be legally obedient because, you see, the problem is on the INSIDE and it will stay that way all the days of our flesh life, exactly as God Himself intended.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

There is only one conclusion regarding the law that is acceptable to God and His Apostles, and that is the HONEST conclusion, applied personally, here:

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Every mouth and the world includes ALL of us. There is no escape available by claiming the law was only for ancient Israel. The law is for sinners, and tag, we're it. 1 Tim. 1:9

The law is good if used lawfully. Why? Because it invokes HONESTY and it also pinpoints LIARS.

IF you arrive at the honest conclusion that you have evil lawless thoughts that can never be legal, congratulations. Now you are able to at least fulfill HATING your own life, as Jesus COMMANDS His disciples in Luke 14:26. You'll also see why we are again to see ourselves, having done EVERYTHING we're commanded to do as UNPROFITABLE SERVANTS, ala Luke 17:10

And for you very very few who have actually figured out that "your evil lawless INTERNAL thoughts" are "of the devil" and that these thoughts are in fact defiling aka SIN, you might see life as GAME ON with that adversary and the battle is right where you are standing. Which is also where Satan will be defeated, Romans 16:20

Short version: There are no justifications available or to be given for our adversary, ever. You should be ruthlessly against your own self. Mark 4:15 is real, and everyone has been called to the battle that starts with HONESTY

There are honestly no legally obedient christians on the face of the planet nor has there ever been, other than Jesus Christ, God Himself in the flesh.

People who claim the Holy Spirit has enabled them to be legally obedient maybe need to learn that the Holy Spirit does NEVER DENY the applicabilIty of Jesus' Words of Mark 7:21-23 to ALL, and let that HOLY SPIRIT make you HONEST.

Til then you're only kidding yourself with phony imaginations. You're really not fooling anyone

 

[HARK!]

Jesus lived the perfect life that we cannot live.

Again Yahshua said otherwise.

YHWH said it it isn't too difficult either.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.


Yahshua learned obedience.

(CLV) Hb 5:8
even He also, being a Son, learned obedience from that which He suffered.



(CLV) Hb 5:9
And being perfected, He became the cause of eonian salvation to all who are obeying Him,

Oh, there's that "O" word again!

 

[Yarddog]

Again Yahshua said otherwise.

You can believe whatever you choose. I'll believe what God told me.