Florida Republican Says Abortion Law Fear Delayed Her Care for Ectopic Pregnancy

[Belk]

No, by definition it is not. This misunderstanding you have is the direct result of more than a half century's abandonment of Natural Law and a coherent moral theology. Prior to Roe v. Wade, every doctor understood the difference. Also, the statute itself codifies the distinction. Read it carefully.


They're not dying as a result of the law. They're dying as a result of an apparently intentional mischaracterization of the law, for political ends.

What is an abortion?
Abortion is a medical term for the termination of a pregnancy. This
term applies to:
• Induced abortion – when a woman chooses to end a pregnancy,
often called a termination of pregnancy, or TOP.
• Spontaneous abortion – more commonly known as a miscarriage

https://www.uwmedicine.org/sites/stevie/files/2018-11/Facts-Women-Termination-Pregnancy.pdf

 

[Pommer]

No, by definition it is not. This misunderstanding you have is the direct result of more than a half century's abandonment of Natural Law and a coherent moral theology. Prior to Roe v. Wade, every doctor understood the difference. Also, the statute itself codifies the distinction. Read it carefully.

Treating an etopic pregnancy correctly is a medical abortion.
Calling it something else to assuage one’s conscience is fluffery.

 

[A New Dawn]

She's lying in order to defend the Republican law that put her in danger. Doctors don't make decisions based on protesters.

I get it. You can read minds. I’m glad for you.

 

[A New Dawn]

No, I realize that a bunch of laymen running around making bold claims when they have no expertise in the area in question is just a bunch of people demonstrating why the Dunning-Kruger effect is a thing. The law is exceedingly complex and to claim, with no experience, that you know more then the lawyers employed by the medical staff strikes me as hubris. You do not know how this law interacts with other areas of the law nor what other intricacies might be involved. So, if you have no experience in the law I'll take your layman's understanding for what it is worth and put it well below that of the professionals who advise the hospital and the doctors.

Where is there anything about the lawyers employed by the medical staff in the article?

But since the doctors went ahead and gave the treatment, I’m betting the lawyers gave them the go ahead. I used to work in a hospital where lawyers had to get involved frequently before treatments were able to proceed. So that is why I’m betting on the lawyers being involved.

 

[A New Dawn]

Treating an etopic pregnancy correctly is a medical abortion.
Calling it something else to assuage one’s conscience is fluffery.

It is a medical abortion but it is not an elective abortion. The law deals with elective abortions.

 

[NxNW]

They're not dying as a result of the law. They're dying as a result of an apparently intentional mischaracterization of the law, for political ends.

Doctors don't make decisions based on protesters.

 

[NxNW]

I get it. You can read minds. I’m glad for you.

You're welcome to give me an example of a doctor making a decision based on protesters. Just one?

 

[A New Dawn]

You're welcome to give me an example of a doctor making a decision based on protesters. Just one?

You don't seem to be reading my posts. I said the lawyers were likely involved in this situation. That's what happens when issues like this come up. They clarify with the lawyers that they should or should not proceed with the treatment. I, as a nurse, worked in large city hospitals for years, and when situations like this came up, the lawyers where always involved.

 

[chilehed]

Treating an etopic pregnancy correctly is a medical abortion.
Calling it something else to assuage one’s conscience is fluffery.

First people complain (wrongly) that this law puts a woman's life at risk because it requires her to be at death's door before she can receive necessary medical treatment for an ectopic pregnancy, and then they complain when it's pointed out that it doesn't because a) it doesn't, and b) there's a critical distinction between that and the deliberate and intentional killing of her baby as an end in and of itself, that everyone on the planet understood the difference up until the 1960's (which is not much longer ago than last week), and that the law itself explicitly recognizes the difference.

Make up your minds.

 

[NxNW]

You don't seem to be reading my posts. I said the lawyers were likely involved in this situation. That's what happens when issues like this come up. They clarify with the lawyers that they should or should not proceed with the treatment. I, as a nurse, worked in large city hospitals for years, and when situations like this came up, the lawyers where always involved.

Thank you for admitting that the protesters had nothing to do with the delay, after falsely claiming,"The fearmongering of the left is what kept them from doing it earlier when she first went for treatment."

 

[NxNW]

They're not dying as a result of the law. They're dying as a result of an apparently intentional mischaracterization of the law, for political ends.

There is no mischaracterization. The activists oppose the delay of treatment. Republicans are pushing for delays, and to deny it altogether.

 

[NxNW]

First people complain (wrongly) that this law puts a woman's life at risk because it requires her to be at death's door before she can receive necessary medical treatment for an ectopic pregnancy, and then they complain when it's pointed out that it doesn't because a) it doesn't,

And yet I posted examples of it happening.

and b) there's a critical distinction between that and the deliberate and intentional killing of her baby as an end in and of itself, that everyone on the planet understood the difference up until the 1960's (which is not much longer ago than last week), and that the law itself explicitly recognizes the difference.

Obviously it doesn't, because women are dying because of these laws, as you admitted above.

 

[A New Dawn]

Thank you for admitting that the protesters had nothing to do with the delay, after falsely claiming,"The fearmongering of the left is what kept them from doing it earlier when she first went for treatment."

I in no way admitted anything of that nature. The procedure was delayed several hours because of the harassment of the fearmongering activists which likely forced the doctors to asked the lawyers for clarity.

 

[A New Dawn]

And yet I posted examples of it happening.

Obviously it doesn't, because women are dying because of these laws, as you admitted above.

I’m sorry, I asked for other examples of this happening when you made that comment to me and you posted (at least in response to my request) nothing. Please repost or post the post number where you actually posted those examples. Thanks.

 

[A New Dawn]

There is no mischaracterization. The activists oppose the delay of treatment. Republicans are pushing for delays, and to deny it altogether.

Again you are coming to conclusions not in evidence in the article. The article doesn’t mention motivations for the harassment. If you have other information you are drawing on, please post it so we can all make informed comments.

 

[A New Dawn]

Doctors don't make decisions based on protesters.

How do you know what doctors do?
Are you a doctor?
Have you ever worked with doctors?
Have you ever worked in a large city medical center?

You appear to be just assuming things on a grand scale with nothing to support your position.

 

[RDKirk]

Treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is an emergency, not an elective abortion. Period.

My daughter just a few weeks ago went through a scary experience here in Texas of an emergency room being hesitant to treat her for an incident severely bleeding uterine polyps because they were afraid it was a miscarriage.

 

[A New Dawn]

My daughter just a few weeks ago went through a scary experience here in Texas of an emergency room being hesitant to treat her for an incident severely bleeding uterine polyps because they were afraid it was a miscarriage.

Lots of doctors have stopped going into the OB part of the OB/GYN specialty precisely because of these problems.

 

[RDKirk]

Lots of doctors have stopped going into the OB part of the OB/GYN specialty precisely because of these problems.

And many have fled Texas. My daughter has severe problems that will require surgery, which she hopes to have done before January, and has had a problem finding surgeons in the state.

 

[NxNW]

I in no way admitted anything of that nature. The procedure was delayed several hours because of the harassment of the fearmongering activists which likely forced the doctors to asked the lawyers for clarity.

Doctors don't act, or delay action, because of activists.