Is God a do as I say not as I do God?

[BelieveItOarKnot]

ok.

Mark 7:
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Your claim of exemption, duly noted.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Those several thousands walked away at first, look at Pentecost only 120 believers were left till the Spirit came then 3000 in one day.

Where does it say that only 120 believers were left?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus said to save your soul you must lose it, and to try to do your own thing and not follow Jesus will make ones soul lost.

You’re quoting this from Matthew 10? Because in that passage he’s referring to the person’s life.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Mark 7:
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Your claim of exemption, duly noted.

what?

Ok. You have a nice day.

 

[BNR32FAN]

We all know the body dies for all, unless you are around for the second coming, the death of the soul is the second death, the Lake Of Fire, this is only for those who did not follow jesus while in the mortal body. The question is what is the soul, My understanding is that the soul is what you have made of yourself while in the mortal body, Jesus said to save your soul you must lose it, and to try to do your own thing and not follow Jesus will make ones soul lost. I believe too many christians get the soul and spirit confused, our spirit is us, our soul is what we have built or done with our time in the mortal body. I can find no place that says our spirit dies, only the body and soul can die.
In UR God will eventually save all spirits, they came from God and will go back to God( John 13:3 ) Those who followed Jesus lose only the body, the soul and spirit continue, for those who did not follow Jesus their body and soul die, everything they built and did, they lose, I like to see it like this- in the video games my kids play, the characters die and lose all the treasure they found is lost and they start again with nothing, but those who did the level correctly continue on to the next level with all the treasure they had accumulated.
God is after us, our true self which is our spirit, Jesus dies for the whole of humanity and will in the end get 100% of what he paid for, no man can thwart Gods plan, He told us that his will/ desire is that none perish but for all to saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:3-6 ).
1 Tim 4:9-11" because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially the believer." We as believers receive our full inheritance, Those who did not follow Jesus lose their inheritance,
Either God is the savior of all, which is stated in multiple places, or he is not. Heb 2:8" You have set everything in order under his feet. For in this subordination of all things he left nothing not ordered under him. But at present we do not yet see all things ordered under him." The process is still ongoing, but at the end God will be all in all (1 Cor 15:28 )

Ok brother, so you kind of paraphrased 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9. Why do these passages say that God DESIRES that none perish and all to be saved instead of just coming right out and saying that none will perish and all will be saved?

And until someone humbles their self to God they are spiritually dead. This is repeated throughout the scriptures and nowhere does it say that anyone is spiritually alive who doesn’t humble themselves to God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

We all know the body dies for all, unless you are around for the second coming, the death of the soul is the second death, the Lake Of Fire, this is only for those who did not follow jesus while in the mortal body. The question is what is the soul, My understanding is that the soul is what you have made of yourself while in the mortal body, Jesus said to save your soul you must lose it, and to try to do your own thing and not follow Jesus will make ones soul lost. I believe too many christians get the soul and spirit confused, our spirit is us, our soul is what we have built or done with our time in the mortal body. I can find no place that says our spirit dies, only the body and soul can die.
In UR God will eventually save all spirits, they came from God and will go back to God( John 13:3 ) Those who followed Jesus lose only the body, the soul and spirit continue, for those who did not follow Jesus their body and soul die, everything they built and did, they lose, I like to see it like this- in the video games my kids play, the characters die and lose all the treasure they found is lost and they start again with nothing, but those who did the level correctly continue on to the next level with all the treasure they had accumulated.
God is after us, our true self which is our spirit, Jesus dies for the whole of humanity and will in the end get 100% of what he paid for, no man can thwart Gods plan, He told us that his will/ desire is that none perish but for all to saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:3-6 ).
1 Tim 4:9-11" because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially the believer." We as believers receive our full inheritance, Those who did not follow Jesus lose their inheritance,
Either God is the savior of all, which is stated in multiple places, or he is not. Heb 2:8" You have set everything in order under his feet. For in this subordination of all things he left nothing not ordered under him. But at present we do not yet see all things ordered under him." The process is still ongoing, but at the end God will be all in all (1 Cor 15:28 )

One more question, God desires all men to be saved from what?

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Where does it say that only 120 believers were left?

Acts in the upper room 120

 

[Jeff Saunders]

You’re quoting this from Matthew 10? Because in that passage he’s referring to the person’s life.

Yes your soul is what you have done or made in this life, if you follow Jesus that just keeps on going after our mortal body dies.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Ok brother, so you kind of paraphrased 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9. Why do these passages say that God DESIRES that none perish and all to be saved instead of just coming right out and saying that none will perish and all will be saved?

And until someone humbles their self to God they are spiritually dead. This is repeated throughout the scriptures and nowhere does it say that anyone is spiritually alive who doesn’t humble themselves to God.

We must remember that the people of the time scripture was written knew that what God desires he does or gets, not like today when we try to make scripture fit the western tradition that God doesn't get what he wants, that's a modern concept.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

One more question, God desires all men to be saved from what?

At that time it was from sheol for the Jews, some of the Jews brought in the pagan idea of a "eternal hell" , but that was not part of the ancient Jewish belief.
Now the pagan idea of "eternal hell" is part of the western christian tradition, and so you can say we are saved from that, but I do not believe "eternal hell " is real anyways.

 

[fhansen]

Look, it's a general understanding in "truthful" Christianity that all people are God's children, so there's that.

And as such every last person has love in themselves to give. Even if it's just to love their own sorry hides.

And if these things are true, I believe they are. Then they already are born of God and know God. Now, granted, you might have more understanding with Jesus, God in Christ. But that really doesn't do you much good if you're trying to burn your supposedly love neighbors alive forever now does it? Kind of ridiculous, really.

John the Apostle certainly gave us enough space to be gracious to every last person on earth who has ever lived:

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

This^^^ I believe, is TRUE.

Whenever I gather with any group, and there is prayer, like before a meal, I recite this scripture as a reminder to everyone.

It makes for a very happy meal. It really does. And you'd be soooo surprised how Jesus shows up, and how quickly. It makes everyday worth living just to participate.

And if your love for neighbor is real, I'd be more concerned about the eternal destiny of that neighbor. You've assumed that anyone who believes in hell sort of gloats and revels in the notion, but the opposite is true for many, maybe even most. Have you reserached much on the sex trafficking trade? You may end up wanting to spend time praying for the repentance of your neighbor whose engaging in such depraved and incomparably selfish, anti-love pursuits. Their change of heart might not only save them from the justice they otherwise deserve but save many from the ugliest kinds of victimization and suffering that they cause in this world.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Aion is a noun, it means age. Aionios is the adjective form of Aion, meaning of that age or pertaining to that age.
Matt 25:46 " And these will go to the chastening of that Age, but the just to the life of that Age" I use a literal translation, the chastening of the age has a beginning and an end, so aionios is modifying the duration of the Age and its for correction and will have an end when its work is complete, the life of the age, aionios, is never ending because that life is in Jesus and because he never ends the life never ends.
Its like the word picture- A tall man stood in front of a tall skyscraper. tall is used for both but we all know the man is not as tall as a skyscraper.

You’re using age as a noun in Matthew 25:46 not as an adjective. The word age doesn’t work as an adjective because it’s only used as a noun or a verb.

 

[BNR32FAN]

At that time it was from sheol for the Jews, some of the Jews brought in the pagan idea of a "eternal hell" , but that was not part of the ancient Jewish belief.
Now the pagan idea of "eternal hell" is part of the western christian tradition, and so you can say we are saved from that, but I do not believe "eternal hell " is real anyways.

Where in the Old Testament is there an indication that punishment in Sheol was temporary?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Acts in the upper room 120

There’s nothing in that passage that suggests that the 120 that were present were the only believers still left. It just says that 120 were there, it doesn’t say that they were the only believers who existed.

 

[BNR32FAN]

We must remember that the people of the time scripture was written knew that what God desires he does or gets, not like today when we try to make scripture fit the western tradition that God doesn't get what he wants, that's a modern concept.

One thing that the scriptures have demonstrated from Genesis all the way to Revelation is that man is constantly a disappointment to God and doesn’t get what He wants in regard to mankind. Earlier you said that the word saved in 1 Timothy 2:3-4 is referring to being saved from Sheol and here you’re saying that God gets everything He wants so if God didn’t want anyone to go to Sheol, or Hades in Sheol to be more precise, then why do we read that people did in fact go to Hades if God didn’t want them to and He gets everything He wants?

 

[Jeff Saunders]

One thing that the scriptures have demonstrated from Genesis all the way to Revelation is that man is constantly a disappointment to God and doesn’t get what He wants in regard to mankind. Earlier you said that the word saved in 1 Timothy 2:3-4 is referring to being saved from Sheol and here you’re saying that God gets everything He wants so if God didn’t want anyone to go to Sheol, or Hades in Sheol to be more precise, then why do we read that people did in fact go to Hades if God didn’t want them to and He gets everything He wants?

Hebrews 2:8-" You have set EVERYTHING in order under his feet, For in this subordination of ALL THINGS he left NOTHING not ordered under him. BUT AT PRESENT WE DO NOT YET SEE ALL THINGS ORDERED UNDER HIM."
God is still working, things are not done yet. Just because its not finished now does not mean it won't be done in Gods time table.
When Jesus prayed to the Father " let your Kingdom come, let your will be done, as in heaven so also on earth " ( Matt 6:10 ) Jesus understood that this cosmos was under the Fathers time table of multiple ages, and that his prayer was for the end of that time, he knew it would not happen at that moment but would take ages to complete.
1 Cor 15:28 " God will be all in all" this is the time of the end of ages for this cosmos of creation, we are still in process, so no we do not see it complete now but it will be at the end, then God will be all in all.
We are not a disappointment to God at all, God knew exactly what was going to happen, that is why scripture says Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the earth, how could God be disappointed if he set this whole thing up in the first place?
As far as Sheol goes , it was the place of the dead all went to Sheol, David said if I go to Sheol you are there, but Jesus went down to Sheol and set the captives free, it was not a forever place only a temporary holding place. In the end God will get all he wants or desires, man can't thwart Gods plan.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hebrews 2:8-" You have set EVERYTHING in order under his feet, For in this subordination of ALL THINGS he left NOTHING not ordered under him. BUT AT PRESENT WE DO NOT YET SEE ALL THINGS ORDERED UNDER HIM."

That’s a pretty ambitious statement to be basing a doctrine on.

 

[BNR32FAN]

As far as Sheol goes , it was the place of the dead all went to Sheol, David said if I go to Sheol you are there, but Jesus went down to Sheol and set the captives free, it was not a forever place only a temporary holding place. In the end God will get all he wants or desires, man can't thwart Gods plan.

Yes all went to Sheol but not all went to Hades. Hades was specifically for the wicked whereas Abraham’s Bosom was specifically for the righteous. And Jesus went and preached to people who had died in and before the flood. It doesn’t say anything about those who died after the flood.

And you still haven’t demonstrated that God’s plan is to save those who refuse to cooperate with Him.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

That’s a pretty ambitious statement to be basing a doctrine on.

Its either true or it is not, I know it is inconvenient for those who follow western tradition but its truth. maybe western tradition is not correct.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Yes all went to Sheol but not all went to Hades. Hades was specifically for the wicked whereas Abraham’s Bosom was specifically for the righteous. And Jesus went and preached to people who had died in and before the flood. It doesn’t say anything about those who died after the flood.

And you still haven’t demonstrated that God’s plan is to save those who refuse to cooperate with Him.

Do you think that God can only work while we are in the temporary mortal body? If so why is God limited, does his love, which is infinite, have an expiration date to it?