Is God a do as I say not as I do God?

[Jeff Saunders]

God has said,1 Cor 12:5-8 love keeps no record of wrongs, Jesus, who is the exact representation of the Father says-Matt 4:44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,love tolerates all things,has faith in all things,hopes in all things, endures all things,Love never fails -Jam 2:8 Love your neighbor as yourself-2 Cor 5:19 not counting peoples trespasses against them.
I in scripture this is what we are told to do to others and what God is like and doing.
According to Western Augustin Christianity, once your leave your temporary mortal body, if you miss understand what God has done or you outright reject humans ideas of God, He will burn you eternally or annihilate you.
How is this view of God not make him into a God who says do as I say not as I do?
Please no answers of Gods ways are higher than ours, that's a copout.

 

[Clare73]

God has said,1 Cor 12:5-8 love keeps no record of wrongs, Jesus, who is the exact representation of the Father says-Matt 4:44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,love tolerates all things,has faith in all things,hopes in all things, endures all things,Love never fails -Jam 2:8 Love your neighbor as yourself-2 Cor 5:19 not counting peoples trespasses against them.
I in scripture this is what we are told to do to others and what God is like and doing.
According to Western Augustin Christianity, once your leave your temporary mortal body,
if you miss understand what God has done or you outright reject humans ideas of God, He will burn you eternally or annihilate you.

Nothing like mispresentation to bolster a false argument.

How is this view of God not make him into a God who says do as I say not as I do?
Please no answers of Gods ways are higher than ours, that's a copout.

Nothing more needs to be said other than this view of God is not Biblical. . .and

Strawman. . .

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Nothing like mispresentation to bolster a false argument.

Nothing more needs to be said other than this view of God is not Biblical. . .and

Strawman. . .

Would you explain why you believe its a false argument, just saying it means nothing if you can't back it up with why you think its false.

 

[Clare73]

God has said,1 Cor 12:5-8 love keeps no record of wrongs, Jesus, who is the exact representation of the Father says-Matt 4:44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,love tolerates all things,has faith in all things,hopes in all things, endures all things,Love never fails -Jam 2:8 Love your neighbor as yourself-2 Cor 5:19 not counting peoples trespasses against them.
I in scripture this is what we are told to do to others and what God is like and doing.

According to Western Augustin Christianity, once your leave your temporary mortal body,
1) if you miss understand what God has done or
2) you outright reject humans ideas of God, He will burn you eternally or annihilate you.
How is this view of God not make him into a God who says do as I say not as I do?
Please no answers of Gods ways are higher than ours, that's a copout.

Nothing like mispresentation to bolster a false argument.

Would you explain why you believe its a false argument, just saying it means nothing if you can't back it up with why you think its false.

God "annihilates" you for only one reason. . .unbelief in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of your sin (Jn 3:18).

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Nothing like mispresentation to bolster a false argument.

God "annihilates" you for only one reason. . .unbelief in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of your sin (Jn 3:18).

John 3:18 says condemned not annihilated in the English but the Greek word is Krino which means to judge not condemned, and yes they are judged as not following Jesus, it says nothing about punishment.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Nothing like mispresentation to bolster a false argument.

God "annihilates" you for only one reason. . .unbelief in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of your sin (Jn 3:18).

How is it a straw man argument to say that Jesus tells us to love and forgive our enemies, but according to western tradition God punishes his enemies for eternity. How is that not do as I say not as I do? Can you answer that please.

 

[Clare73]

John 3:18 says condemned not annihilated in the English but the Greek word is Krino which means to judge not condemned, and yes they are judged as not following Jesus, it says nothing about punishment.

Then you don't understand what is meant by God judging someone.

 

[Clare73]

How is it a straw man argument to say that Jesus tells us to love and forgive our enemies, but according to western tradition God punishes his enemies for eternity. How is that not do as I say not as I do? Can you answer that please.

Okay. . .only God knows who the real enemies are.

Whom you think is an enemy may actually be someone who will later on come to saving faith and be your brother in Christ.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Then you don't understand what is meant by God judging someone.

Ok then tell me what you think.

 

[Clare73]

Ok then tell me what you think.

Well, you can find a few in the book of Isaiah, chps 13-23.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Okay. . .only God knows who the real enemies are.

Whom you think is an enemy may actually be someone who will later on come to saving fa

Well, you can find a few in the book of Isaiah, chps 13-23.

That's not telling me what you think. Can you articulate what your position is? How is Jesus telling us to love our enemies but he doesn't have to not a do as I say and not as I do. That is the question.

 

[Clare73]

That's not telling me what you think. Can you articulate what your position is? How is Jesus telling us to love our enemies but he doesn't have to not a do as I say and not as I do. That is the question.

I did answer the question.

God's enemies are true enemies.

Your enemes may not be true enemies, like the dentist who pulled your tooth as a child, or the teacher who made you do extra homework for failing to turn in your assignment, and you would be hating a non-enemy, which God does not do.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

I did answer the question.

God's enemies are true enemies.

Your enemes may not be true enemies, like the dentist who pulled your tooth as a child, or the teacher who made you do extra homework for failing to turn in your assignment, and you would be hating a non-enemy, which God does not do.

So its of to not love true enemies ? Who is to make the judgement of who is a true enemy ? But Jesus did not make a distinction so why would we?

 

[Fervent]

Our responsibilities, and God's responsibilities, are a bit different. Is the President a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do president when he doesn't allow citizens to conduct military operations?

God loves all, but love requires respecting people's right to not love you back. And those who don't love God back are not worthy of life. Their portion is wrath.

 

[Clare73]

So its of to not love true enemies ? Who is to make the judgement of who is a true enemy ? But Jesus did not make a distinction so why would we?

God makes an infallible distinction regarding his enemies.

We are not able to to make such a distinction.

 

[Matt5]

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[Joseph G]

God has said,1 Cor 12:5-8 love keeps no record of wrongs, Jesus, who is the exact representation of the Father says-Matt 4:44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,love tolerates all things,has faith in all things,hopes in all things, endures all things,Love never fails -Jam 2:8 Love your neighbor as yourself-2 Cor 5:19 not counting peoples trespasses against them.
I in scripture this is what we are told to do to others and what God is like and doing.
According to Western Augustin Christianity, once your leave your temporary mortal body, if you miss understand what God has done or you outright reject humans ideas of God, He will burn you eternally or annihilate you.
How is this view of God not make him into a God who says do as I say not as I do?
Please no answers of Gods ways are higher than ours, that's a copout.

A challenge... read the Gospel of John from beginning to end. Jesus is the prime example of living out what you preach - and beyond.

Who of us can bear the sins of the world, endure the full wrath of God for a bunch of ingrates and complainers that HE created, be displayed naked and so tortured as to no longer resemble a man... and in between pushing Himself up upon the nails to get a breath pray for ALL of us who have nailed Him there with our sins and unbelief, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

If one can respond to this most profound expression of Love by God for His creation with indifference, and cling to their right to judge HIM for dispensing His righteous fury upon those who reject His Son, then their reward is well earned.

The choice is entirely ours... reject Him, or rejoice in Him.

Praying for you and God bless!

 

[HBP]

God has said,1 Cor 12:5-8 love keeps no record of wrongs, Jesus, who is the exact representation of the Father says-Matt 4:44 Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,love tolerates all things,has faith in all things,hopes in all things, endures all things,Love never fails -Jam 2:8 Love your neighbor as yourself-2 Cor 5:19 not counting peoples trespasses against them.
I in scripture this is what we are told to do to others and what God is like and doing.
According to Western Augustin Christianity, once your leave your temporary mortal body, if you miss understand what God has done or you outright reject humans ideas of God, He will burn you eternally or annihilate you.
How is this view of God not make him into a God who says do as I say not as I do?
Please no answers of Gods ways are higher than ours, that's a copout.

You are highlighting one of several very large disconnects that force a certain (very large) species of Christian to juggle mental balls that are very difficult to juggle and to live in a state of theological cognitive dissonance. The notion is that God loves all, but his perfect holy justice demands that he react like a sociopath when things don't go exactly his way - and then we, as believers, must shrug it off as divine mystery. It just isn't believable, at least to me. It is very liberating - at least it has been for me - to squarely face issues such as this and say to myself and God: "I just don't believe that. I am incapable of believing that. I don't think that's who God is or Jesus was. I'm no longer going to pretend to believe that."

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You are highlighting one of several very large disconnects that force a certain (very large) species of Christian to juggle mental balls that are very difficult to juggle and to live in a state of theological cognitive dissonance. The notion is that God loves all, but his perfect holy justice demands that he react like a sociopath when things don't go exactly his way - and then we, as believers, must shrug it off as divine mystery. It just isn't believable, at least to me. It is very liberating - at least it has been for me - to squarely face issues such as this and say to myself and God: "I just don't believe that. I am incapable of believing that. I don't think that's who God is or Jesus was. I'm no longer going to pretend to believe that."

Usually, the disconnects here are found among those who think ethics comes before epistemology, logic, and metaphysics.

Those who put ethics first are often driven by their emotions as a heuristic, all of which makes for a terrible metric by which to read the Bible.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

God "annihilates" you for only one reason. . .unbelief in Jesus Christ and his atoning work for the remission of your sin (Jn 3:18).

IF Christ's sacrifice was sufficient for all people and IF sins are not counted against people, 2 Cor. 5:19, THEN committing people to eternal torture or death for the "SIN" of unbelief was NOT covered by the atonement.

And THEN we have the involvement of the devil, Satan, in all unbelief, per Acts 26:28, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, so there is another entity class involved other than the "captives" of Satan, who is the "CAPTOR."

Did Jesus come to set a handful of captives free? Or all captives?

I'd say if just a few, then not much of a Savior, but rather a minor case savior, only able to get the job done for those who "helped themselves" in making Him valid. Otherwise it was all for naught