They are working with the nephilim underground

[Dustoff]

Here are my thoughts. I copied it off my substack newsletter.

The Nephilim
It seems everywhere you go today there is talk of the Nephilim. Someone pointed it out to me and asked what I thought. My opinion is it’s an overblown issue. It all stems from Gen. 6

Gen 6/1-4. (ESV)
When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2. the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” 4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Some background
Many conservative theologians believe the list of patriarchs in Gen 5 is not a direct father-son list. I agree and think they mostly were the heads of eras or generations. The Bible does not give us a detailed look at life before the flood. It just points out some notable issues and times. One of those times was the Nephilim of Gen. 6. “In those days” vs 4 points that out.

Often in the bible information is just put together but not really sorted in any functional or logical way. Very common in the prophets. I think that is true of Gen 6. It seems to me to be a passage linking creation and the genealogies with the flood. Pointing out a particularly egregious example of the sinfulness of man. Originally there was much info on this but edited by later divinely appointed editors (redactors). Jewish tradition is that Moses recorded Genesis and Ezra edited and updated it. I think that is probably true. My point is that the 120 yrs and the Nephilim aren't necessarily directly connected to the flood.

The Sons of God
There are a great number of spiritual personalities spoken of in the bible. Angels. Cherubim. Seraphim. Watchers Thunders. To name a few. Along with a multitude of demonic beings. One of those personalities are called the Sons of God. There are various views of who they are. I believe they are a class of spiritual personality who have some sort of governmental authority over our world.

They are spoken of in Gen. 6 Job 1,2 and Job 38/7. Along with Satan 1/3 of heaven fell into sin. Some angels did; some didn't. Some Cherubim did; some didn't. That is true to some degree or another for all the personalities in Heaven. The point here is some of the Sons of God sinned and some didn't. We see that in Gen 6 when they cohabited (sinfully) with human women. We see that also in Job 38/7 when those who didn't sin were present rejoicing as God created the world.

Many of the spiritual personalities that inhabit the unseen world around us when they want can manifest themselves in or as a human body. I don't mean inhabiting one or manifesting through someone but as a personality itself. A human body fully physical and functional as any of us. While still retaining their own spiritual personality. Angels do it all the time.

The physical act of procreation was entirely new and foreign to the spiritual world. I think these spiritual beings found it highly interesting and tried it out for themselves. Taking on fully functional human bodies with the resulting offspring called the “Nephilim”

So who then are the Nephilim
The word itself means the fallen ones. The KJV translates it as “Giants” I don't believe this refers to their physical size but rather to their inward nature. They were as fully human as all the rest of us. Conceived in the usual way. Men (and women) with abilities no one had ever seen before. Physically spiritually intellectually. They likely lifted the entire earth to new heights of accomplishment. Heights of sinful accomplishment as I don't imagine they were reaching out to the Lord.

There are two other references to Nephilim in the bible. Num. 13/32-33 where the 10 spies brought back a report to Moses of Nephilim in the land. The KJV translates that as Giants and I think that is a proper translation. People who were of abnormal size and used that to dominate in civic life and warfare. The other (possible) reference is in Ezek 32/17-32. I think it simply means the Nephilim from before the flood are in Hades/Hell/the grave along with all the rest of fallen humanity.

Some thoughts on the Nephilim in light of Today
First of all, I think it is a massively overblown issue. It was a unique time in history when something very much out of the ordinary happened.

"We are told"

that Genesis 6 was their first incursion into humanity. Their bloodline came through Noah's flood. Probably through his sons’ wives. The 2nd incursion came during the time of Nimrod. Gen. 10/8-9 I assume because he was a “mighty” hunter. The third incursion is happening now in these last days. They are among us. They are the UFO's. Half human and half angel. Serpent seed. They were present all through the land of Canaan when Joshua killed them off. According to one prophecy expert they are still in modern Gaza. They will rise again in the last days. Obviously, I don't agree with any of this.

I don't believe it was the Nephilim that gave rise to the judgment of the flood. It is entirely possible for there to be a spirit of Nephilim. The same as a spirit of Amalek or Jezebel. Or any other. But that is not the Nephilim of Gen. 6
To some degree, Paul's warning in Col. 2/18 needs to be heeded. The warning is that we are to be careful not to go too far in examining the unseen world around us. Also, the personalities that inhabit it. Obviously if God didn't want us to know anything he wouldn't have given us the info he did. We just need to be careful. On this entire issue it just seems to me that collectively we (the church) are going too far. What Paul was really saying in Col. 2 is that we need to keep our feet on the ground.

Maybe because of the way the issue is pointed to in Gen 6 it may be relevant to these last days. I personally don't believe it. I don't see it in the scriptures either. It was a unique time in our shared history. Another reason why I don't believe in the rise of the Nephilim in these last days is because they would compete directly with the anti-christ.

I do think that these last days are another unique time in history. That is clearly said in Dan. 2 concerning the 10 toes. Something out of the ordinary is going to happen. Concerning a different kind of life. A great breakthrough in science. An overwhelming flood of mysticism spirituality occultism. Quantum computing. Trans humanism and cloning. And more.

But the Nephilim? They are in the grave awaiting judgment.

 

[trophy33]

It's not a case of either/or, but both/and.

Why? There is no need to go to the "occult" hypothesis, if the simple pragmatic hypothesis explains it well.

 

[FireDragon76]

Why? There is no need to go to the "occult" hypothesis, if the simple pragmatic hypothesis explains it well.

There are genuinely unexplainable UFO sightings. It's not merely a matter of misidentification and paranoia on the part of Americans.

 

[trophy33]

There are genuinely unexplainable UFO sightings. It's not merely a matter of misidentification and paranoia on the part of Americans.

No, there are no "unexplainable UFO sightings". There may be unexplained ones or uncertain ones. Or the explanations cannot be proven but are still more plausible than esotericism.

 

[Godcrazy]

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Did Fallen Angels Procreate With Women (Genesis 6:1-8)?

Did Fallen Angels Procreate With Women (Genesis 6:1-8)? – Grace Evangelical Society

well genesis 6 mentions it does it not
We know the bible say they procreated with women, came down on mount Hermon, 200 angels

 

[trophy33]

well genesis 6 mentions it does it not
We know the bible say they procreated with women, came down on mount Hermon, 200 angels

You are mixing apples and oranges.

First, the bible says the sons of God. Angels is only an interpretation.

Second, the mount Hermon and 200 is not from the Bible.

Third, there is no need to think it is a literal history instead of myth.

 

[FireDragon76]

No, there are no "unexplainable UFO sightings". There may be unexplained ones or uncertain ones. Or the explanation cannot be proven.

Yes, that's what I meant to say.

The US government has admitted they've observed objects or craft that appear to defy physics as we understand it, often moving about with no visible propulsion systems, and without inertia. I think this fits with folkloric accounts that go back centuries of similar sightings of strange craft or objects in the sky or strange encounters with beings like faeries or demons. The modern UFO phenomenon just being a modern manifestation of the same, or similar, phenomenon that goes back centuries.

Of course, there's a danger here in inspiring undue fascination, whether from "true believers" who think these represent some kind of "higher intelligence", or from Christians who see this in vast conspiratorial terms, such as underground bases and so forth.

 

[trophy33]

The US government has admitted they've observed objects or craft that appear to defy physics as we understand it, often moving about with no visible propulsion systems, and without inertia. I think this fits with folkloric accounts that go back centuries of similar sightings of strange craft or objects in the sky or strange encounters with beings like faeries or demons. The modern UFO phenomenon just being a modern manifestation of the same, or similar, phenomenon that goes back centuries.

They lie or are simply incompetent. Or the electronics are not working properly, optical illusions etc.

I found special effects guys easy explanations for the UFO's the US government states they cannot explain. So something is not right, there.

 

[Godcrazy]

There are genuinely unexplainable UFO sightings. It's not merely a matter of misidentification and paranoia on the part of Americans.

I will tell you a personal story. When I was nineteen years old I went to a psychic witch.shaman to get a reading. Ever since that day I had problems with "ufo`s"(uap). I saw them alot, different crafts in the sky. I was abducted every night at 3 am for three years until it stopped. I had the most horrible experiences with them. It went as far as I contacted the ufo community for help. They came, and they did not know what it was. The night it started I woke up the whole neighbourhood. My friend who lived next to me came knocking at my door middle of the night, because I had screamed like I was having something happening. I did not know, I thought I was sleeping. Having my first experience..
One day I had the idea to call on Jesus. I did and it stopped immediately. I saw them fade into the thin dark air. Never to return. I have never had one problem since. I think that says it all.
There is a group that is called C4 something think they even have it on youtube that are connected to mufon. They have done investigations and research for many years and they all have talked to people, eye witnesses who all had bad encounters close encounters that stopped in the name of Jesus. They are quite many now. They tried to involve mufon, but they rather brush it aside or hush it. what doesn`t that say.
when it comes to ufo`s, or uap`s as they like to call them now .. we know that God do not interfere in our lives unless it is pure biblical and something biblical going on.. He never just plays around for display or just show up for nothing or abduct people. I think that speaks for itself..
Further, exorcist Fr Carlos Martins was asked about ufo`s and he said he did not beleive they were real aliens, but interdimensional beings, demons. He stated the way they move, they go from one place to another in an instant and disappear suddenly. That is an interdimensional feat. And very hard to pull off. Same as if they were from outside space, the least distance they would have to travel was like 25,000 years. The least. He did not think it is possible.
Then again we have my account and many others telling similar stories.
Also concerning that stephen greer goes out in the dessert and uses occult and new age techniques, known to ancient times to contact them. Using mediumship basically.
I think that says it all

 

[FireDragon76]

They lie or are simply incompetent. Or the electronics are not working properly, optical illusions etc.

Problem solved.

UFO's and UAP's in the US have been witnessed by many competent, trained observers, including engineers, police officers, pilots, hardly the kinds of people prone to be mistaken about what they saw.

 

[Godcrazy]

They lie or are simply incompetent. Or the electronics are not working properly, optical illusions etc.

I found special effects guys easy explanations for the UFO's the US government states they cannot explain. So something is not right, there.

in the film higher entties by fourthwatchfilms they interview eye witnesses and research documents, how it all started in 1945 where Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley together with Hubbard(scientology) did babylon ritual workings in Nevada dessert. They had been working on it for years to bring forth the w.. of babylon. It finally worked Parsons said. And a child was born too that they called the babylon thing. From then on, a lot of crafts ufo`s started to appear. People reported it all over. Even the military which was covered up. Parsons and others believed he had created a portal, a time rift and that he had to close it no one else.
In an attempt to know more and what to do the gov started to get involved consisted of two groups one christian group and one not. Eventually the not christian values based group participated in satanic rituals where they started to get information from the entities and knowledge and tech. It continues to this day, and how it only makes you more greedy so you want more power and control and knowledge, and tech. I think it is worth to keep an open mind.

 

[Godcrazy]

It say as in the days of Noah. we are discovering antediluvian tech and all that all over and underground. Even the tunnels underground were nephilim size. They suspect Noah`s days were high tech.

 

[trophy33]

UFO's and UAP's in the US have been witnessed by many competent, trained observers, including engineers, police officers, pilots, hardly the kinds of people prone to be mistaken about what they saw.

I do not say that UFOs have not been witnessed. I am saying that esoteric or "aliens" explanations are not needed.

And even though professionals are less prone to mistakes in their fields than common folk, it still happens frequently. And as I said, the UFOs "the US government cant explain" have been easily explained by professionals outside of the US government. For example here:

 

[trophy33]

in the film higher entties by fourthwatchfilms they interview eye witnesses and research documents, how it all started in 1945 where Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley together with Hubbard(scientology) did babylon ritual workings in Nevada dessert. They had been working on it for years to bring forth the w.. of babylon. It finally worked Parsons said. And a child was born too that they called the babylon thing. From then on, a lot of crafts ufo`s started to appear. People reported it all over. Even the military which was covered up. Parsons and others believed he had created a portal, a time rift and that he had to close it no one else.
In an attempt to know more and what to do the gov started to get involved consisted of two groups one christian group and one not. Eventually the not christian values based group participated in satanic rituals where they started to get information from the entities and knowledge and tech. It continues to this day, and how it only makes you more greedy so you want more power and control and knowledge, and tech. I think it is worth to keep an open mind.

Do not believe everything you are told. Especially if it comes from weird sources.

 

[FireDragon76]

I will tell you a personal story. When I was nineteen years old I went to a psychic witch.shaman to get a reading. Ever since that day I had problems with "ufo`s"(uap). I saw them alot, different crafts in the sky. I was abducted every night at 3 am for three years until it stopped. I had the most horrible experiences with them. It went as far as I contacted the ufo community for help. They came, and they did not know what it was. The night it started I woke up the whole neighbourhood. My friend who lived next to me came knocking at my door middle of the night, because I had screamed like I was having something happening. I did not know, I thought I was sleeping. Having my first experience..
One day I had the idea to call on Jesus. I did and it stopped immediately. I saw them fade into the thin dark air. Never to return. I have never had one problem since. I think that says it all.
There is a group that is called C4 something think they even have it on youtube that are connected to mufon. They have done investigations and research for many years and they all have talked to people, eye witnesses who all had bad encounters close encounters that stopped in the name of Jesus. They are quite many now. They tried to involve mufon, but they rather brush it aside or hush it. what doesn`t that say.
when it comes to ufo`s, or uap`s as they like to call them now .. we know that God do not interfere in our lives unless it is pure biblical and something biblical going on.. He never just plays around for display or just show up for nothing or abduct people. I think that speaks for itself..
Further, exorcist Fr Carlos Martins was asked about ufo`s and he said he did not beleive they were real aliens, but interdimensional beings, demons. He stated the way they move, they go from one place to another in an instant and disappear suddenly. That is an interdimensional feat. And very hard to pull off. Same as if they were from outside space, the least distance they would have to travel was like 25,000 years. The least. He did not think it is possible.
Then again we have my account and many others telling similar stories.
Also concerning that stephen greer goes out in the dessert and uses occult and new age techniques, known to ancient times to contact them. Using mediumship basically.
I think that says it all

Yes, what you describe fits the folkloric pattern.

People have had similar experiences going back centuries, of night-time visitors that come to frighten, tempt, or seduce their victims. Usually there's some kind of symbolic initiation ("fairy food", for instance) or induction into occult knowledge, often unwitting, that forms a kind of covenant or communion with these entities. The phenomenon is inherently deceptive and slippery, and fascinating to people lacking spiritual discernment.

UFO's and UAP's represent the same thing but on a more public scale. Abduction stories have declined as the public has become more familiar with the trope, and the subject no longer fascinates as it once did, and newer fears are more about surveillance and government conspiracies in general. And newer sightings of triangles and tic-tacs feed into those public anxieties.

Behind it all seems to be a desire on the part of these beings to feed off human fascination and fear, almost parasitically.

 

[d taylor]

well genesis 6 mentions it does it not
We know the bible say they procreated with women, came down on mount Hermon, 200 angels

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The link to the podcast, the program was saying that in Genesis 6 the nephilim were the result of angels and human women marrying and having children.

So if you think it was not saying that you mis-lessened

 

[Apple Sky]

It say as in the days of Noah. we are discovering antediluvian tech and all that all over and underground. Even the tunnels underground were nephilim size. They suspect Noah`s days were high tech.

I'm a great believer in high tech before the great flood, the fallen Angeles taught men all about the universe, DNA & the splicing of it, how else could Noah have taken two by two of all the animals. Read the book of Enoch.

 

[bèlla]

in the film higher entties by fourthwatchfilms they interview eye witnesses and research documents, how it all started in 1945 where Jack Parsons and Aleister Crowley together with Hubbard(scientology) did babylon ritual workings in Nevada dessert.

Is this the extent of your research on the subject? I know what you’re referring to.

~bella

 

[d taylor]

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The union of the sons of God and the daughters of men only produced males. So if this continue to keep going in that manner. There would have been no women left on earth anyway except for Noah and his family.

 

[d taylor]

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This video has been around for awhile and has even been posted on this site Christian Forums) before.