Trump lying to justify his reasons to bomb Iran.

[public hermit]

I agree with the International court at The Hague, who has indicted Netanyahu as a war criminal practicing genocide.

What's happened, and continues to happen, in Gaza is blatantly evil. These people are trying get food, and they're shooting them. Israel fighting the Palestinians in Gaza has been like shooting fish in a barrel. I am constantly amazed that Israel, whose recent ancestors endured the Holocaust, and doing this, but maybe that is naive of me.

 

[Hentenza]

What's happened, and continues to happen, in Gaza is blatantly evil. These people are trying get food, and they're shooting them. Israel fighting the Palestinians in Gaza has been like shooting fish in a barrel. I am constantly amazed that Israel, whose recent ancestors endured the Holocaust, and doing this, but maybe that is naive of me.

Israel doesn’t shoot Palestinians. Hamas and Hezbollah use them as shields and use daycare centers and hospitals as bases of terror. Please don’t drink the kool aid.

Claim 46: Israel Targets Hospitals in Violation of International Law in its Post-October 7th War Archives - UN Watch

Monitoring the UN Promoting Human Rights

unwatch.org

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What's happened, and continues to happen, in Gaza is blatantly evil. These people are trying get food, and they're shooting them. Israel fighting the Palestinians in Gaza has been like shooting fish in a barrel. I am constantly amazed that Israel, whose recent ancestors endured the Holocaust, and doing this, but maybe that is naive of me.

A Gallup survey in 2015 determined that 65% of Israelis say they are either "not religious" or "convinced atheists", while 30% say they are "religious". Religion in Israel - Wikipedia

This makes me wonder which sector of the Israeli people are causing the extreme violence?

 

[public hermit]

Israel doesn’t shoot Palestinians.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I knew I came to the right place for the truth.

 

[public hermit]

A Gallup survey in 2015 determined that 65% of Israelis say they are either "not religious" or "convinced atheists", while 30% say they are "religious". Religion in Israel - Wikipedia

This makes me wonder which sector of the Israeli people are causing the extreme violence?

It's the sector that currently has political power. I don't know if they're religious or atheist.

 

[ralliann]

Does Israel have the right to police the region and bomb another country without provocation?

It wasn't.

Should Americans be required to defend them when they take on a foe they can’t defeat without our involvement?

They have also threatened us...

Iran isn’t innocent by any stretch

Good you at least mention it.

but America’s crimes are worse.

I hardly think so.

That’s frequently forgotten when we’re taking the moral ground. And don’t get me started on the spiritual note. If anyone’s deserving of judgment it‘s the U.S.

~bella

Wow. Iran is more moral? Pretty twisted IMO.

 

[BCP1928]

It wasn't.

They have also threatened us...

Good you at least mention it.

I hardly think so.

Wow. Iran is more moral? Pretty twisted IMO.

They think they are, and they are entitled to that opinion.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I knew I came to the right place for the truth.

It's very asymmetric warfare. Iran shoots missiles with very little discrimination at population centers. Israel shoots missiles or sends aircraft with specific military targets in mind. There can be civilians killed, but for the most part they are not the targets. Iran targets civilians. Very asymmetric. Intentionally on the part of both sides.

Hamas attacked civilians, killing many and taking many hostages. Israel gave notice of where they would be attacking in advance so civilians could leave the area. Hamas forbade people to leave, keeping them as human shields. These civilians then become 'collateral victims' because Hamas likes human shields. Israel tries to limit civilian casualties while pursuing military objectives. Hamas uses civilian casualties as propaganda. Very asymmetrical again. The rules of war are very different for the two sides.

 

[public hermit]

Speaking of shooting fish in a barrel...Israelis can't just decide to leave Israel. At least, there is a ban on Israelis flying out of the country. I guess they could leave by boat. That's a lot of government control.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ban-on-israelis-flying-out-raises-legal-red-flags-with-many-needing-to-leave/

 

[public hermit]

It's very asymmetric warfare. Iran shoots missiles with very little discrimination at population centers. Israel shoots missiles or sends aircraft with specific military targets in mind. There can be civilians killed, but for the most part they are not the targets. Iran targets civilians. Very asymmetric. Intentionally on the part of both sides.

Hamas attacked civilians, killing many and taking many hostages. Israel gave notice of where they would be attacking in advance so civilians could leave the area. Hamas forbade people to leave, keeping them as human shields. These civilians then become 'collateral victims' because Hamas likes human shields. Israel tries to limit civilian casualties while pursuing military objectives. Hamas uses civilian casualties as propaganda. Very asymmetrical again. The rules of war are very different for the two sides.

How does the symmetry work when they shoot folks trying to get food? It's not a one-off, it has happened for days.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-palestinians-food-aid-israel-284fa12b037db604342be1b3ea2120b4

 

[BCP1928]

How does the symmetry work when they shoot folks trying to get food? It's not a one-off, it has happened for days.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-palestinians-food-aid-israel-284fa12b037db604342be1b3ea2120b4

It's OK because they are all Muslims and all Muslims are EEEVIL.

 

[public hermit]

It's OK because they are all Muslims and all Muslims are EEEVIL.

Well, that seems to be the case. They're not every-day folks just trying to live while also having a horrible government (remind you of anyone?). They're our enemies, and Israel started a very just war. I don't think we've seen a more just war, but I will wait for Trump to clarify that for me.

 

[chevyontheriver]

How does the symmetry work when they shoot folks trying to get food? It's not a one-off, it has happened for days.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-palestinians-food-aid-israel-284fa12b037db604342be1b3ea2120b4

It’s NOT a symmetry. Israel is trying to provide food aid in Gaza but is doing a poor job of it. But they aren’t knifing people presumably, and people are getting knifed.

 

[public hermit]

It’s NOT a symmetry. Israel is trying to provide food aid in Gaza but is doing a poor job of it. But they aren’t knifing people presumably, and people are getting knifed.

Right, one group (Israeli soldiers) are shooting at them, and another group (thugs/ or Hamas thugs?) are trying to stab them. It's completely asymmetrical and the power lies in Israel's hands, obviously, and I guess some thugs are lagging behind in second without proper weapons. The Palestinians are trying to eat and getting shot for it. That is an asymmetrical relationship. Nay, it's a horrific situation, and the horror of it is sadly underappreciated, which is odd.

 

[Fantine]

It wasn't.

They have also threatened us...

Good you at least mention it.

I hardly think so.

Wow. Iran is more moral? Pretty twisted IMO.

Let's face it. We can't be objective (at least not collectively, because of course a few days before the bombing 60% of Americans said they were opposed to our bombing Iran--the correct choice.) So since we can't be objective, let's see what the "world" thinks.

As expected, the world is very concerned. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...bed-3-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordo/3

China strongly condemned the U.S. attack on Iran and on nuclear facilities supervised by the International Atomic Energy Agency, China's U.N. Ambassador Fu Cong said at a U.N. Security Council meeting on Sunday.

Calling out Israel, Fu said that "China is deeply concerned about the risk of the situation getting out of control," and called for an immediate ceasefire and an end to the hostilities.

"The parties concerned should abide by international law, curb the impulse to use force, and avoid exacerbating conflicts and adding fuel to the fire," Fu said.

Elsewhere, United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned that the U.S. strikes on Iran represent a dangerous escalation in an already volatile region, posing a serious threat to global peace and security.

"There is a growing risk that this conflict could rapidly get out of control – with catastrophic consequences for civilians, the region, and the world," Guterres said in a statement as reported by Reuters.

"At this perilous hour, it is critical to avoid a spiral of chaos. There is no military solution. The only path forward is diplomacy. The only hope is peace," he said.

The European Union's chief diplomat Kaja Kallas urged "all sides to step back, return to the negotiating table and prevent further escalation," while stressing Iran must not be permitted to develop a nuclear weapon. EU foreign ministers will discuss developments in Iran on Monday, she said.

 

[Fantine]

Well you are free of course to agree with whomever you want. Its a liberal leftist court and I don't agree with them in the least. Which I am free to do.

It seems as though you have a knee-jerk reaction to anyone who opposes Trump's unprecedented (unauthorized, and immoral) act of war, calling them "liberal leftists."

And so if you disagree with the "liberal leftists," you agree with Trump--who believes that spending $13 billion plus to bomb Iran, destabilizing the whole world, without any credible evidence that Iran was close to getting a nuclear bomb (his national security advisor believes they were not.)
You believe that spending $13 billion on bombs while taking billions away from feeding hungry children, defunding USAID whose good works actively discourage the growth of terrorism in third world countries, and taking Medicaid away from up to 15 million, is OK.

Gee, I would be embarrassed to admit that I believed a unauthorized bombing was more important than stopping terrorism in the third world, feeding hungry children, and caring for the sick. I strongly disapprove, Which I am free to do.

 

[mark46]

Well you are free of course to agree with whomever you want. Its a liberal leftist court and I don't agree with them in the least. Which I am free to do.

Yes, I AGREE that you are free to disagree with the international court and have no expectations of our leaders following them, given that the US does not recognize the decisions of this international court.
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HOWEVER, with regard to US court decisions, I agree that you or anyone has the freedom to disagree. We SHOULD expect out leaders and citizens to abide by those decisions or expect to pay the consequences.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes, Bibi Netanyahu is even talking about regime change, just like the mistake America made given their 20 year middle east debacle.

 

[rjs330]

It's very asymmetric warfare. Iran shoots missiles with very little discrimination at population centers. Israel shoots missiles or sends aircraft with specific military targets in mind. There can be civilians killed, but for the most part they are not the targets. Iran targets civilians. Very asymmetric. Intentionally on the part of both sides.

Hamas attacked civilians, killing many and taking many hostages. Israel gave notice of where they would be attacking in advance so civilians could leave the area. Hamas forbade people to leave, keeping them as human shields. These civilians then become 'collateral victims' because Hamas likes human shields. Israel tries to limit civilian casualties while pursuing military objectives. Hamas uses civilian casualties as propaganda. Very asymmetrical again. The rules of war are very different for the two sides.

Once again proving that these terrorist Islamists do not think like us. They have ZERO compunction against murdering children and babies. In fact that's a specific target for them. They want to rape and murder.

 

[rjs330]

Speaking of shooting fish in a barrel...Israelis can't just decide to leave Israel. At least, there is a ban on Israelis flying out of the country. I guess they could leave by boat. That's a lot of government control.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ban-on-israelis-flying-out-raises-legal-red-flags-with-many-needing-to-leave/

I know, shame on the government trying to keep their people safe.