Trump lying to justify his reasons to bomb Iran.

[rjs330]

You know I do understand the concern from both sides. Iran with nukes is not just a danger to Israel, but is a danger to everyone including America. They would have no compunction against using the nuke on Israel or the US, through their terrorist networks. To think they would not shows a huge lack of understanding the radical mindset.

Those that are concerned by the fact we are getting involved right now is a bad thing and that its getting us into a war also have valid concerns. They dont want to see American blood spilled in another war.

And BOTH concerns are valid and have valid concerns. The facts are we don't know the future and the future concerns all of us.

 

[BCP1928]

You know I do understand the concern from both sides. Iran with nukes is not just a danger to Israel, but is a danger to everyone including America. They would have no compunction against using the nuke on Israel or the US, through their terrorist networks. To think they would not shows a huge lack of understanding the radical mindset.

Those that are concerned by the fact we are getting involved right now is a bad thing and that its getting us into a war also have valid concerns. They dont want to see American blood spilled in another war.

And BOTH concerns are valid and have valid concerns. The facts are we don't know the future and the future concerns all of us.

Let's see.. What other countries in the region governed by fanatical religious nationalists also have nukes...? Shall we bomb them, too?

 

[Fantine]

You know I do understand the concern from both sides. Iran with nukes is not just a danger to Israel, but is a danger to everyone including America.

You do know that America is the only country that ever detonated an atomic bomb, the precursor of our current nuclear bomb. I am sure that most if not all the other nations in the Free World think that America with nukes, at least under the present leadership, is not just a danger to Iran but to every other country in the world who doesn't bow to his wishes.
Personally I have been concerned for many years about Israel's possession of the nuclear bombs. Netanyahu has shown us that he places absolutely no value on human life and will go to any lengths including destroying the homeland of 3.5 million people to get his way. I believe that at the current time most countries would think that Israel and the United States are the most dangerous nuclear powers in the world, and that Netanyahu and Trump, working together, will have a catastrophic effect on World Peace..

 

[wing2000]

It is the day after.

Figuratively. The day after = the months and years to come.

 

[chevyontheriver]

You do know that America is the only country that ever detonated an atomic bomb, the precursor of our current nuclear bomb.

France did. China did. North Korea did. The USSR did. Somebody did in the Indian Ocean, but it isn't clear who exactly it was. Maybe Israel, or South Africa.

I am sure that most if not all the other nations in the Free World think that America with nukes, at least under the present leadership, is not just a danger to Iran but to every other country in the world who doesn't bow to his wishes.

Yeah right. Never mind Putin bragging about his hypersonic missiles, or Kim the crazy man in Korea, or the Iranian theocracy chanting "Death to America" while they run Uranium centrifuges deep underground for 'peaceful purposes'. Trump is the existential danger and none of them. Because Trump.

Personally I have been concerned for many years about Israel's possession of the nuclear bombs. Netanyahu has shown us that he places absolutely no value on human life and will go to any lengths including destroying the homeland of 3.5 million people to get his way. I believe that at the current time most countries would think that Israel and the United States are the most dangerous nuclear powers in the world, and that Netanyahu and Trump, working together, will have a catastrophic effect on World Peace..

That's a bit of revisionism. No value, absolutely no value on human life? After Israel was invaded by bloodthirsty mostly peaceful Hamas, they notified people and allowed people to leave areas where Hamas was imbedded. But Hamas wouldn't let those same people get out of harm's way. Those are the folks who have no regard for human lives, first by their mostly peaceful invasion of Israel and the brutal murder of civilians, then by using human shields to protect themselves. You say Netanyahu and Trump will have a catastrophic effect on world peace. Peaceful Hamas and peaceful Iran and Peaceful Hezbollah and the peaceful Huthis are just fine, eh? Why don't you organize yet another protest in favor of Hamas, and add in Hezbollah and the Houthis and the ever so peaceful Iranian theocracy shouting "Death to America".

 

[NxNW]

 

[hedrick]

I'm not going to express a specific opinion. Iran certainly sponsors terror, including against its own people. If we could keep them from gettng nuclear weapons that would be a good thing. But there's a danger. If we don't get them all, or if they're in a position to rebuild under enough of a mountain that we can no longer get to it, it could make the situation worse.

There are reasons that countries sometimes want nuclear weapons other than to attack someone. One is to deter other countries from bullying them.

 

[Fantine]

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Infamous last words.

 

[Fantine]

I'm not going to express a specific opinion. Iran certainly sponsors terror, including against its own people. If we could keep them from gettng nuclear weapons that would be a good thing. But there's a danger. If we don't get them all, or if they're in a position to rebuild under enough of a mountain that we can no longer get to it, it could make the situation worse.

There are reasons that countries sometimes want nuclear weapons other than to attack someone. One is to deter other countries from bullying them.

Many countries would say the US is bullying its own people, sending troops who were neither requested nor needed. Sadly in the past few months we have become what we have condemned and what others continue to condemn.

 

[rjs330]

Let's see.. What other countries in the region governed by fanatical religious nationalists also have nukes...? Shall we bomb them, too?

That ship has sailed. Its too late to do anything about that. In this case the strikes were against facilities and personnel who were working on the development of nukes. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[mark46]

1) Iran has 60% enrichment. The next step was to further enrich their stock to 90%, a process that would take weeks or months. So, they were close to having the enriched nuclear material needed for nuclear bombs.

2) Iran has not made the decision to build nuclear bombs. That decision is premature and unecessary until they have the components. They still don't have enrichment material or trigger mechanisms. There is also the issue of having the infrastructure to build delivery systems. Having a bomb in a bunker under a mountain is not the same as have a nuclear threat of delivery.

3) We focus on the bomb itself rather than the delivery system and the political will to launch a nuclear war. Bombs can be purchased from Russia, North Korea, or from terrorists.

4) Iran was moving quickly toward having the ability to have nuclear weapons and delivery systems. BTW, Iran has been building 50 missiles a month, all stronger than those previously destroyed. These missiles are a threat to Israel and to US forces in the region.

BOTTOM LINE
For the last year and a half, Israel has been systematically destroying the Iranian ability to launch strong attacks against Isreal, and to remove the threat of Iranian-funded terrorist groups in the region.

For 6 months, Netanyahu has been planning the attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, air facilities and missile launch facilities. And yes, this includes ancillary support for these targets, include top military leaders and top nuclear scientists.

NOW IS THE TIME from Israel's point of view, because Netanyahu finally has a US president who shares his views regarding Iran.

 

[rjs330]

You do know that America is the only country that ever detonated an atomic bomb, the precursor of our current nuclear bomb. I am sure that most if not all the other nations in the Free World think that America with nukes, at least under the present leadership, is not just a danger to Iran but to every other country in the world who doesn't bow to his wishes.
Personally I have been concerned for many years about Israel's possession of the nuclear bombs. Netanyahu has shown us that he places absolutely no value on human life and will go to any lengths including destroying the homeland of 3.5 million people to get his way. I believe that at the current time most countries would think that Israel and the United States are the most dangerous nuclear powers in the world, and that Netanyahu and Trump, working together, will have a catastrophic effect on World Peace..

Lol, you dont really know anything about it. You are just spouting leftist propaganda.

Israel has done everything they can to protect the civilians over there in an urban warfare of an enemy that hides among civilians. Israel has only targeted Iranian nuclear capabilities. So did we.

Had Hamas not attacked and slaughtered Isreali people on October 7 nothing would be going on in Gaza right now.

 

[Fantine]

NOW IS THE TIME from Israel's point of view, because Netanyahu finally has a US president who shares his views regarding Iran.

Given Netanyahu's views, sharing any of those views is too horrible for me to fathom or approve.

 

[Fantine]

Lol, you dont really know anything about it. You are just spouting leftist propaganda.

Israel has done everything they can to protect the civilians over there in an urban warfare of an enemy that hides among civilians. Israel has only targeted Iranian nuclear capabilities. So did we.

Had Hamas not attacked and slaughtered Isreali people on October 7 nothing would be going on in Gaza right now.

I agree with the International court at The Hague, who has indicted Netanyahu as a war criminal practicing genocide. That is not liberal propaganda, it is a well respected International agency with wide support from the Free World of which we were once a part.

 

[mark46]

sending troops who were neither requested nor needed. .

hmm

Where has Trump sent troops? Are you counting the air carrier that we sent to protect our 42K troops in the region, our embassies and shopping? We do that fairly often when we think it necessary, under every president in my lifetime.

Are you asserting something about the past. If so, how many troops were in the Middle East under Obama, Trump, Biden and now Trump (42K now)?
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AS AN ASIDE
I do not expect Trump to increase to increase troop strength in the Middle East.
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BY THE WAY
Are you in favor of bringing how the 42,000 troops we now have in the Middle East and to essentially close those bases?

 

[ralliann]

Trump isn’t moving unilaterally on this issue and it was being discussed when the conflict began with Hamas by geopolitical commentators. Several maintained from the start that Israel wanted a conflict with Iran and it’s been building up since that time.

The government puts things in motion many years in advance. Strategies aren’t devised haphazardly and the subject was addressed by think tanks and other entities. I shared a paper from The Brookings Institute yesterday that mentioned Israel’s role and the larger plan. Here’s a screenshot of the chapters. Notice the fifth. This is the reality of our nation.

~bella

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This has been discussed in the news. Iran has been a threat for many years. The excellent thing in how it was carried out here is the surprise...

 

[mark46]

I agree with the International court at The Hague, who has indicted Netanyahu as a war criminal practicing genocide. That is not liberal propaganda, it is a well respected International agency with wide support from the Free World of which we were once a part.

fair enough

Netanyahu has committed war crimes in his retaliation against the attack from Gaza.

For you, THEREFORE, the US should not support his prevention of Iran getting nuclear weapons.

I have been watching the news a bit. Tehran is a city operating in a very normal fashion. It is Israel that has its citizens in the bomb shelters every day and night. It is in Israel that the schools and shops are closed.

Of course, there is no need for Iranian civilians to fear unless they are involved in nuclear or missile development.

BOTTOM LINE
The terrible Netanyahu has conducted war against Iran for a week. How many civilians have died? How many would you expect to die in the first week of an all-out war against Iran?

 

[hedrick]

hmm

Where has Trump sent troops? Are you counting the air carrier that we sent to protect our 42K troops in the region, our embassies and shopping? We do that fairly often when we think it necessary, under every president in my lifetime.

Are you asserting something about the past. If so, how many troops were in the Middle East under Obama, Trump, Biden and now Trump (42K now)?
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AS AN ASIDE
I do not expect Trump to increase to increase troop strength in the Middle East.
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BY THE WAY
Are you in favor of bringing how the 42,000 troops we now have in the Middle East and to essentially close those bases?

He meant LA.

 

[NxNW]

 

[rjs330]

I agree with the International court at The Hague, who has indicted Netanyahu as a war criminal practicing genocide. That is not liberal propaganda, it is a well respected International agency with wide support from the Free World of which we were once a part.

Well you are free of course to agree with whomever you want. Its a liberal leftist court and I don't agree with them in the least. Which I am free to do.