The relationship between the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, and the New Covenant

[JesusFollowerForever]

Just what have I denied? I believe we should honor our parents, not steal, not covet, etc.

have you changed your mind and now do as Jesus asked to keep his commandments, I am talking here of the ten commandments and not just just the summary of the ten)?

Christ set us free from the laws of the Old Covenant. I believe in Him. You, on he other hand, have one foot in the done-away old covenant and one in the New Covenant. I notice you still will not comment on why Paul would write that the 10 Commandments were done away. 2Cor3:11

Sadly, you would accuse me of following someone other than my Savior, Jesus Christ.

if you followed Christ Bob as I hope sincerely you will, you will follow the ten commandments, repent and sin no more this is what Jesus and GOD wants for all of us. To those who do until the end, Jesus prepared a place for those who faithfully and completely love him and follow his words and no one elses. God knows the heart of all men and it is even written he know how many hairs we have on top pf our heads this is how much he loves us His children made in HIS image,

Read what Jesus said in John chapter 17, here is only a few verses;

Jhn 17:21 that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Jhn 17:22 I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—

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[Canuckster]

I never said that, it is false also according to scripture. I teach what Jesus is teaching, and how to enter into life, simply, by following the commandments and repent from sin.

Time is short, I urge everyone to go to Christ, follow him, believe him put in practice his teachings. Only through Christ and him alone can one gain eternal life.

At the end it's a choice we all have to make.

So one does not need to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset to avoid the Lake of Fire.

 

[Canuckster]

If I may, I would like to ask a question. In order to understand this question it is important to know that I personally do not prescribe to the religious sects and businesses that exist in the garden that God placed me in. I found zero evidence to support the extremely popular religious tradition of this world to seek out a religious sect or business, adopt one of the "many" that are available, and then support, defend and promote their specific religious philosophies which vary depending on the name they give themselves.

So I am not promoting a religion here, just asking a question concerning your comment.

Do you believe Jesus, that if a man calls HIM Lord, Lord, but lives a life killing innocent people, he will be one of those Jesus said would be cast into the Lake of Fire? How about if the man who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, is an unrepentant thief, does the Jesus "of the Bible" teach that this man will be thrown into a Lake of Fire? What if a man who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, worships images of God in the likeness of men? What if a man who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, lives a life as an unrepentant Adulterer?

Would you then proclaim to Jesus, "So in short, you teach that all those who proclaim to follow Christ but do not abide by these Laws of God, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire"?

I would bet that you wouldn't question the Judgment of the Jesus "of the bible", concerning these instructions. Where in the Scriptures are you or I given authority to Judge God regarding His definition of Holy, Righteous and good? Who taught men to pick and choose between what Words of of God are to be worthy of our honor and respect, and which Words of God are not to be worthy of our honor and respect? Who convinced Eve to engage in this thought process?

What spirit, shown throughout the Holy Scriptures, caused men to reject, pollute and despise the Sabbath Commandment, a Feast of the Christ?

So you teach that any man who does not rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is rejecting a "Feast of Christ" and will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So if one does not need to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset to avoid the Lake of Fire.

This commandment is not like the pharisees described, they made it a burden by adding a lot of unnecessary details to it, Jesus said to follow it with compassion also love not the way the pharisees followed it, in Isaiah 58:13,
the prophet describes;

“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD’s holy day Honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,

the pharisees added so much to it they made it a real burden to follow; as an example they could not carry food that weight more than a fig! they invented all sorts of rules like that! No wonder Jesus rebuked them all about the sabbath and other laws ( see MATTHEW 23 and listen to what Jesus said carefully, a lot to learn from that chapter about the law and how to correctly apply it.


The sabbath is not a burden, get used to it it will be honored in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Do not forget the sabbath comes with a blessing!

Have I fallen into your trap? For which words will you condemn me this time?

These words I keep repeating : Jesus: "if you love me keep my commandments"?

As for the lake of Fire, the second death, it is by jesus words that we shall be judged, he is Most graceful and forgiving and had a gentle and Kind heart if our hearts show we at least tried and did out very best. He knows all things and He will decide not us, not me certainly.

 

[Canuckster]

This commandment is not like the pharisees described, they made it a burden by adding a lot of unnecessary details to it, Jesus said to follow it with compassion also love not the way the pharisees followed it, in Isaiah 58:13,
the prophet describes;

“If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD’s holy day Honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,

the pharisees added so much to it they made it a real burden to follow; as an example they could not carry food that weight more than a fig! they invented all sorts of rules like that! No wonder Jesus rebuked them all about the sabbath and other laws ( see MATTHEW 23 and listen to what Jesus said carefully, a lot to learn from that chapter about the law and how to correctly apply it.


The sabbath is not a burden, get used to it it will be honored in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Do not forget the sabbath comes with a blessing!

Have I fallen into your trap? For which words will you condemn me this time?

These words I keep repeating : Jesus: "if you love me keep my commandments"?

As for the lake of Fire, the second death, it is by jesus words that we shall be judged, he is Most graceful and forgiving and had a gentle and Kind heart if our hearts show we at least tried and did out very best. He knows all things and He will decide not us, not me certainly.

So you don't know if anyone's going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire because they chose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

 

[Studyman]

So you teach that any man who does not rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is rejecting a "Feast of Christ" and will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Actually I asked you a question, if you were to read my post. Who taught you that men have the authority to judge God's Laws, some as important for mankind, and some as not important for mankind?

I'm not teaching anything. I'm just asking you who taught you to judge God's Laws?

 

[Canuckster]

Actually I asked you a question, if you were to read my post. Who taught you that men have the authority to judge God's Laws, some as important for mankind, and some as not important for mankind?

I'm not teaching anything. I'm just asking you who taught you to judge God's Laws?

So you teach that everyone who chooses not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, is judging God's Laws and will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

 

[timothyu]

Torah is just the first 5 books of the Bible.

And the NT gives us the Gospel of the Kingdom while Christianity distorts it

 

[timothyu]

Nothing wrong with taking a day off weekly to escape the will of man

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So you don't know if anyone's going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire because they chose not to rest on the 7th day from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

you will know when that day comes.

 

[Canuckster]

you will know when that day comes.

You're the one who doesn't know by saying "He will decide". Therefore you're the one who "will know when that day comes".

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

You're the one who doesn't know by saying "He will decide". Therefore you're the one who "will know when that day comes".

No matter what i would write you would reject, so my answer is "Go and read your bible to find out. the answer is in there.

 

[Canuckster]

Nothing wrong with taking a day off weekly to escape the will of man

Only wrong if it's not every Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, with the consequence of a Lake of Fire, according to some.

 

[Canuckster]

No matter what i would write you would reject, so my answer is "Go and read your bible to find out. the answer is in there.

But you read your bible and you've admitted you do not know. So you're in no position to tell me to go read my bible to find out.

 

[Bob S]

But you read your bible and you've admitted you do not know. So you're in no position to tell me to go read my bible to find out.

Jff won't even comment on 2Cor3:6-11 after I pasted it in my post. Verse 11, Paul is telling everyone who can read that the Ten Commandments have been done away with. Those verses are telling all mankind that our guide is not the Ten, our guide is the Holy Spirit. There is not one verse in all of the New Testament that places a "ten" before commandments. John 15 tells us that Jesus kept the laws of the Sinai Covenant. Then He asks us to keep His command. His command is to love our fellow man as He loves us. Love is the great theme of the New Testament. God so loves us that He gave His only son to die for our sins. Amen!

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Jff won't even comment on 2Cor3:6-11 after I pasted it in my post. Verse 11, Paul is telling everyone who can read that the Ten Commandments have been done away with. Those verses are telling all mankind that our guide is not the Ten, our guide is the Holy Spirit. There is not one verse in all of the New Testament that places a "ten" before commandments. John 15 tells us that Jesus kept the laws of the Sinai Covenant. Then He asks us to keep His command. His command is to love our fellow man as He loves us. Love is the great theme of the New Testament. God so loves us that He gave His only son to die for our sins. Amen!

Hi bob, i did comment a while ago, see link below

Why we are Supposed to Keep the Sabbath

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness,

www.christianforums.com

 

[Canuckster]

Jff won't even comment on 2Cor3:6-11 after I pasted it in my post. Verse 11, Paul is telling everyone who can read that the Ten Commandments have been done away with. Those verses are telling all mankind that our guide is not the Ten, our guide is the Holy Spirit. There is not one verse in all of the New Testament that places a "ten" before commandments. John 15 tells us that Jesus kept the laws of the Sinai Covenant. Then He asks us to keep His command. His command is to love our fellow man as He loves us. Love is the great theme of the New Testament. God so loves us that He gave His only son to die for our sins. Amen!

Yes.... The dispute was officially settled almost 2,000 years ago by decree. "...some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment." Acts 15

There was no such official commandment ever made to Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law, which includes the Sabbath. The decree wasn't just about not requiring circumcision but not requiring Gentiles to keep the law of Moses, which includes the Sabbath. The Jewish spies went out to get the Gentiles to keep the law and get circumcised; circumcision was essential to keeping the law. To claim that Paul, or other Jewish converts, taught Gentiles to keep the law, or any altered form or version of the law, without the requirement of circumcision, and the Jewish spies were only there to urge the Gentiles to get circumcised because they were already keeping the law in some form or another, is preposterous.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Yes.... The dispute was officially settled almost 2,000 years ago by decree. "...some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment." Acts 15

There was no such official commandment ever made to Gentiles to get circumcised and keep the law, which includes the Sabbath. The decree wasn't just about not requiring circumcision but not requiring Gentiles to keep the law of Moses, which includes the Sabbath. The Jewish spies went out to get the Gentiles to keep the law and get circumcised; circumcision was essential to keeping the law. To claim that Paul, or other Jewish converts, taught Gentiles to keep the law, or any altered form or version of the law, without the requirement of circumcision, and the Jewish spies were only there to urge the Gentiles to get circumcised because they were already keeping the law in some form or another, is preposterous.

there is no dispute, only one truth!

 

[Canuckster]

there is no dispute, only one truth!

Last I checked you were engaged in a dispute.

 

[Studyman]

Yes.... The dispute was officially settled almost 2,000 years ago by decree. "...some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment." Acts 15

This interpretation promoted by this world's religious system is a false one, if Every Word of the Jesus "of the Bible", and Paul's are taken into consideration. The Pharisees and Sadducees had a "LAW", and they called it "the Law of Moses" but Jesus exposed them as liars, and told us and everyone else that the Pharisees Taught for Doctrines, the Commandments of Men, not God. And He also exposed that the Jewish leadership "full well rejected the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions. The Pharisees themselves said;

John 19: 6 "When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him. 7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

As Jesus told them, if they had believed Moses, who they claimed to trust, they would have known all about the Lord's Christ, just as Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, who did believe Moses, knew Him even before HE was born.

So you are promoting an ancient deception that the rebellious Jews, who were not part of the body of Christ, were trying to get the New Converts to obey God, and the Apostles were trying to teach them to disobey God's Laws. When in reality, they were trying to convert the New converts to adopt their man-made religion which had been a "Yoke of Bondage" on the disciples and their fathers before them for centuries. If a man believed all that is written, they would understand this, as Stephen pointed it out to the faithful as well, even at the cost of his own life.

Acts 7: 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

So surely you can see how foolish it is to promote a philosophy that all the sudden, these "children of the devil", who had the Law of Moses, but didn't keep it, are suddenly trying to get New Converts, "who have turned to God", to follow His Instruction, and obey Him. And that the Apostles were trying to get them to live in disobedience to God. It's truly foolishness, nevertheless, I too was snared by this wicked doctrine years ago, "Wherein in time past I walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience".

Here, lets consider what the Apostles actually taught the New converts in Acts 15.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication,(Law of Moses) and from things strangled,(Law of Moses) and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

What the Apostles instructed the New Gentile Converts to do, was the exact same thing Jesus told the multitudes and the Apostles to do.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God or Moses) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, (Yoke of Bondage) and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Sadly, like for the mainstream religions of Jesus' Time, men are so invested in their adopted religion and their doctrines, philosophies and traditions, that they only consider Scriptures which can be separated from the rest of the Bible, and twisted to promote a specific philosophy.

When a person considers "Every Word" inspired by God, a different Gospel is shown. But the cost of accepting their error and repenting is just too much of a cost for many.

My hope is that men will consider what Jesus and Apostles actually teach, when all of their words are considered.