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Iran (Persia) in Ezekiel 38 is listed as one of the nations that make up the Gog/Magog attackers on Israel.
The Day of the Lords fiery wrath will destroy Iran's military and all their weapons. Jeremiah 49:35-37, is specific - only the area that was ancient Elam, now southwest Iran; will be wiped out. Also: Ezekiel 32:24-25
Persia and Media, Northern Iran , will be badly affected but enough survivors to join with Gog when ha attacks.
In your theory, you have the current nation of Israel de-populated by a solar flare event and re-populated by Christians moving there from all around the world to create a new nation called "Beulah".

The problem with your theory is that there is not enough time for that to happen in your projected fit of end time time frames.
The Solar flare worldwide disaster will happen some time before Gog and his horde are motivated by God to attack the new nation of Beulah.
Must be enough time for the Lords peoples to be settled and prosperous. Ezekiel 38:8 & 12 Those verses are also proof that it is not the current inhabitants who will be there when Gog attacks.

There is still just enough time for all the end times as Prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns. Iran will respond with nukes if Israel and America try to destroy their nuclear facilities.
 
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The Solar flare worldwide disaster will happen some time before Gog and his horde are motivated by God to attack the new nation of Beulah.
Must be enough time for the Lords peoples to be settled and prosperous. Ezekiel 38:8 & 12 Those verses are also proof that it is not the current inhabitants who will be there when Gog attacks.
keras, "Beulah" is not mentioned anywhere in Ezekiel 38-39.

Instead it is Israel and my people of Israel.

Ezekiel 38
verse 8 - mountains of Israel
verse 14 - my people of Israel
verse 16 - my people of Israel
verse 17 - prophets of Israel
verse 18 - land of Israel
verse 19 - land of Israel

Ezekiel 39
verse 2 - mountains of Israel
verse 4 - mountains of Israel
verse 7 - the Holy One in Israel
verse 9 - the cities of Israel
verse 11 - graves in Israel
verse 12 - house of Israel
verse 22 - house of Israel
verse 29 - house of Israel
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If Gog/Magog happens - and no new nation of Beulah formed afore-hand
- then you will have to concede that your solar flare/depopulation/re-population/new Christian nation called Beulah....... is a bust.
 
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Instead it is Israel and my people of Israel.
It is simply impossible for the present Jewish State to be the nation that God will motivate Gog and his horde to attack. Ezekiel 38:8 says;.....the land restored from ruin, whose people are gathered from many nations.....V 11...living quietly and undefended.
NOT applicable to the Jews.

The Church was mostly Jewish in its makeup for many years.
It was (and a denomination still is) the Nazarene sect of Judaism, the faithful group who followed Israel's Messiah. The "church" is not something separate from Israel, but rather is the remnant of the faithful within Israel and includes every faithful Christian individual alive.

Isaiah pointed out that in times of Israel's great apostasies, the faithful of the nation were reduced to a tiny remnant of elect ones. Isaiah 1:8-9, Isaiah 6:13, Romans 927
So it was in the first century, where Paul identifies himself as an example of the faithful remnant. Romans 11:1-5
The apostles continually say that Christians; born again believers, are the true elect ones: 2 Timothy 2:10; Col. 3:12; Galatians 6:15-16; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 2:9-10
However, some people have a bizarre idea of who is Israel: counting the disobedient sons of Abraham as Israel while discounting entirely the sons of Abraham by faith.
Paul said that when the Jewish nation rejected Christ, the true Israel was carried on - not through the lineages of the wicked sons but rather through the obedient few (called the "remnant"), such as was true in Isaiah's day, Romans 9:27-29 and Elijah's day. Romans 11:3-5

Peter says the same thing at Acts 3:22-24, where it is clear that the wicked Jews who refuse Christ were to be "cut off from among the People of Israel" while the faithful Jews (John the Baptist, Joseph and Mary, the Twelve, the Seventy, the three thousand on Pentecost day, and many other Jews) were the True Faithful Israel.

The Israelite church was with Moses in the wilderness, Acts 7:37-38 And within a few years after Pentecost, the faithful Israelites learned how to start accepting both Jewish and also gentile followers from all over the empire to convert into their Nation. 1 Peter 2:9-10; Matthew 21:40-45 And so the remnant of true righteous Christian Israel have maintained the faith through this age, while a large portion of the established Church have lost the plot, to their eternal discredit.
And so it was also in Moses' day, when the many thousands of wicked sons of Abraham were slain in the wilderness while the tested and tried sons of Abraham survived and got to enter the Promised Land. We must NEVER count the continuation of Israel through the wicked sons but rather always through the faithful Christian people.

The real Church is the faithful Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10; they are the Israelites of God.
Israelites literally means; the Overcomers for God. They are present as part of each of the seven Church's of Revelation, which shows how the Lord will winnow out the 'wheat' and burn the 'chaff'. Matthew 3:12
 
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Israel sees a rare opportunity – one that may not return – to strike Iran, based on the convergence of several factors:

The recent acceleration of uranium enrichment processes by Iran; the extensive damage to its strategic defense systems from Israeli Air Force strikes last year; the significant weakening of Hezbollah and Iran's other proxies, apart from the Houthis; and Trump's explicit pledge that Iran will not acquire nuclear weapons under any circumstances, "under a deal or otherwise," in his words. Israel Hayom.

According to Prophecy, there will be a settlement of the present impasse.
1 Thess 5:3 …people will say: Peace and safety……

It seems that Iran is not ready yet; as their rocket fuel got blown up at the dock recently and resupply takes time. The full enrichment of their uranium to weapons grade, also takes time.

They have to back down and grit their teeth, to sign an agreement with the United Nations and allow the inspectors access. But of course; not to their hidden, secret facilities.
The agenda of the Iranian mullahs remains the destruction of Israel. They will attempt it when they are ready, and then the rest of Pauls Prophecy kicks in.

WAHOO! Now it is Israel attacking Iran.
I imagine the IDF will manage to destroy much of Irans nuclear facilities, but there is no way that Israel can totally eliminate all of it. They have had years to hide deep underground, their core nuke development programme.
Todays attack by Israel will likely force Iran to back down and ostensibly renounce nuke weapons. It won't change their intentions.
 
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According to Prophecy, there will be a settlement of the present impasse.
1 Thess 5:3people will say: Peace and safety……
keras, the saying "peace and safety" will not be until after the Gog/Magog event. It will be said because the world will be thinking it has entered the messianic age - with the Antichrist being the king of Israel thought-to be messiah.

We don't know for certain how things are going to develop into the Gog/Magog attack on Israel, but Iran (Persia) will be involved (Ezekiel 38:5).

Look for the emergence of the little horn person to become leader over ten EU leaders. That will happen just before the Gog/Magog event.
 
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Just like you = full of speculative opinion.
keras, the saying "peace and safety" will not be until after the Gog/Magog event. It will be said because the world will be thinking it has entered the messianic age - with the Antichrist being the king of Israel thought-to be messiah.
Provide scripture for a false king of Israel.
The fulfilment of 1 Thess 5:3 will happen before the Lords Day of wrath, the sudden and unexpected event of the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
Look for the emergence of the little horn person to become leader over ten EU leaders. That will happen just before the Gog/Magog event.
The leader of the ten world regions, will rise to power after the world recovers from the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath.
 
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Provide scripture for a false king of Israel.
The prefix "Anti" can mean instead of or against.... or both instead of and against.....as will be the case of the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will be instead of and against the true Christ, Jesus, the rightful king of Israel messiah.

That the Jews were looking for the king of Israel messiah at the time of the first century would have been because of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy about the messiah's coming after 69 weeks (of years).

And Christ meaning messiah is in John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

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So the little horn person will be the Antichrist for the period of time that he is the king of Israel thought-to-be messiah - following the Gog/Magog event.

Jews (Judaism) are anticipating the coming of their messiah to lead them into the messianic age of peace and safety.

See how things are lining up ? We just don't know who the little horn person is specifically right now.... but the time is drawing close.
 
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The leader of the ten world regions, will rise to power after the world recovers from the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath.
Yes, that is one theory that people have. But the ten leaders and the little horn person will be associated with the EU, the manifestation of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7, the Roman Empire, manifested in the end times.

Also that the little horn person heads south and east, toward Israel, in Daniel 8:9, indicates his coming from the direction of the EU.
 
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See how things are lining up ?
Yes, but not the way you think. The belief of a general Jewish redemption is false. What is Prophesied is this:
Jeremiah Prophesies the Fate of the House of Judah: the Israeli peoples:
Psalms 78:68-72 The Lord chose the tribe of Judah, to provide the Kingly line of David; to last forever. Culminating in Jesus.

Jeremiah 2:28-30….For you; Judah have as many gods as you have towns. You are rebels, every one of you. I meted out punishment but you did not learn.
Jeremiah 7: 30-34 The people of Judah have done wrong in My sight… therefore the time is coming when their dead will fill the valley of Topeth….. The whole Land will become deserted. Hosea 4:3

Jeremiah 9:3 The tongue is their weapon….. Lying, not truth holds sway in the Land….. they care nothing for the Lord.

Jeremiah 8:8-10 How can you say: ‘We are wise, we have the Law of God’, when your scribes, with their lying pens, have falsified it? I shall put the wise to shame, Matthew 11:25, and give the holy Land to new owners.

Jeremiah 12:14-17 The Lord says: All the evil neighbours who have taken over the Holy Land, which I gave to My Israelite peoples; I shall uproot them and also Judah as well. Some will return, provided they learn the Way of My faithful peoples…. But I will destroy any nation who refuses.

Jeremiah 13:19 The towns in the Negev are besieged, there is no relief. All of Judah has been swept away.

Jeremiah 14:10-12 Judah strays from My ways, therefore I have no more pleasure in them. I remember their guilt and will punish them for their sins. Do not pray for them, for I will not listen, or accept them. For I shall make an end to them with My Sword, by famine and plagues.

Jeremiah 13:23-25 Can a Nubian change his skin, or a leopard his spots? Neither can you:- schooled in evil. I shall scatter you like chaff, Matthew 3:12, your lot and portion as rebels. Decreed by Me because you have forgotten Me and trusted in falsehood.

Jeremiah 4:18-20 Your own ways have brought on your punishment; your rebellion is seated deep within you…. At the sound of the Trumpet, the whole Land will go down in ruin.

Jeremiah 4:27-28 The Lord says: The whole Land will be desolated , I will clear and cleanse it….. [Deuteronomy 32:43] For I have made know My purpose, I shall not relent or change it.

Jeremiah 23:19-20 See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord, a furious whirlwind around the heads of the wicked. The Lords anger cannot be turned aside. In the future, you will understand.

Jeremiah 25:30-35 Prophesy! The Lord roars from on high, from His dwelling place…. against all the inhabitants of the world. He arraigns all mankind and has handed the wicked over to the Sword. Ruin spreads from nation to nation and the dead lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other and there will be no escape for anyone.

Jeremiah 6:11-15 I am full of the anger of the Lord, I must pour it our upon all the people in the Land. Their property will be handed over to others, for all; high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, their prophets and priests are frauds They will fall with a great crash on the Day of My reckoning.

The terrible Day of the Lords wrath will be the end of the Jewish State of Israel. Matthew 8:12
 
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Israel has been very successful in destroying much of Iran's nuke facilities and some of their leaders.
Israel and the West; must not become complacent and make the mistake of saying: Now there is 'peace and safety'.

Iran's Islamic leadership have been severely humiliated, which simply raises their determination to do what they have always declared to do: destroy Israel. Just one nuke missile may be enough, more would make sure of it.
But we who study the Prophetic Word know this will not happen, as God will intervene and destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14
Wait for the Day: Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7
 
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Israel has been very successful in destroying much of Iran's nuke facilities and some of their leaders.
Israel and the West; must not become complacent and make the mistake of saying: Now there is 'peace and safety'.
I don't see that happening. Gaza is run by Hamas, who are sponsored by the Iranians.
 
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I don't see that happening. Gaza is run by Hamas, who are sponsored by the Iranians.
I do, because that is what is Prophesied.
No one is going to say: Peace and safety' when Gog and his horde are fast approaching, or just before Jesus Returns, when the Great Tribulation is crashing all around and the armies gather at Armageddon.

The Palestinians are sick of Hamas. They're not stupid, they can see how badly mismanaged they are. The UN needs to send peace keepers to reorganize Gaza properly.

Typically, you just ignore #232, where I only posted Jeremiahs Prophesies about the demise of Jewish Israel.
All the other Prophets say the same, which means your belief of a Jewish Redemption will never happen.
 
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Typically, you just ignore #232, where I only posted Jeremiahs Prophesies about the demise of Jewish Israel.
All the other Prophets say the same, which means your belief of a Jewish Redemption will never happen.
keras, Jeremiah was speaking about the kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem of his day.

Daniel 9:
1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

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The seventy weeks in verse 24 are determined upon Daniel's people - who Daniel was praying for their return out of Babylonian captivity - the Jews - and Jerusalem.

24 Seventy weeks are determined
upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

What people committed the transgression ? The Jews. Daniel's people are the Jews. They transgressed the Mt. Sinai covenant.

Gog/Magog event is getting closer and when it happens - and your theory of a replacement to the current nation of Israel does not materialize before hand - you are going to have to confess that your theory was in error.

What is going on between Israel and Iran indicates that the Gog/Magog event is not far away.
 
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Jeremiah was speaking about the kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem of his day.
Jeremiah Prophesied about near and far events.
The final punishment of Jewish Israel, is now near to us.

In Daniel 924, he does refer to Judah/Jerusalem. At the end of the 69th year Jesus was Crucified.. We now await the final 7 years and the fulfilment of the six tenets as listed, to be fulfilled when Jesus Returns.
What is going on between Israel and Iran indicates that the Gog/Magog event is not far away.
The G/M attack cannot take place before the Holy Land is settled by God's faithful people. Joel 2:20 refers to this.
Joel 2:1-11 vividly describes how the Lord will depopulate and cleanse all of the Promised Land.
 
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The G/M attack cannot take place before the Holy Land is settled by God's faithful people. Joel 2:20 refers to this.
Joel 2:1-11 vividly describes how the Lord will depopulate and cleanse all of the Promised Land.
The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will be against the current Israel.

Iran has not yet attacked Jerusalem. But if say they were to, and one of their drones or missiles unintentionally hit the dome of the rock and destroyed it - that would probably trigger Gog/Magog. Just speculation. But it seems to me that the Iranian attacks are not precise.
 
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The Gog/Magog attack on Israel will be against the current Israel.
Your avoidance of what the Prophesies actually say, is legendary.
God is not going to protect and save a people who reject Him and who show no remorse for killing His Son.

All of the Holy Land will be cleared and cleansed on the Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath. Revelation 6:12-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +
 
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Iran has labored for decades to build weapons that would enable it to strike Israel, located more than 621 miles from the country's western border. During the rounds of attacks with Iran since October 7, Iran used for the first time some of these means, including advanced missiles it developed only in recent years. In Tehran they announced today that Iran intends to use the "Kheibar" ballistic missile, with a range of 1,243 miles with a MaRV (Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle), which can evade interception and strike targets with accuracy of meters.

Iran's ballistic missile arsenal is large, diverse and confusing. Experts estimated in 2022 that Iran holds 3,000 ballistic missiles of all types and all ranges.

From suicide drones to 2-ton warhead ballistic missiles. What is Tehran going to use against Israel, and can it be decisive? Israel Hayom. June 17th



Irans mullahs know and we know that practically their only possibility of success is to nuke Israel. Something they now say they can and will do.

Desperation, humiliation and to save their own skins, they are certainly going to attempt it and the result will be as Bible Prophecy informs us. Psalms 83, Jeremiah 49:35, Ezekiel 7:14, +. The Sixth Seal event.
 
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Desperation, humiliation and to save their own skins, they are certainly going to attempt it and the result will be as Bible Prophecy informs us. Psalms 83, Jeremiah 49:35, Ezekiel 7:14, +. The Sixth Seal event.
keras, there is the possibility that since Jesus on His first coming fulfilled the spring feasts, that at His second coming, He will fulfill the fall feasts.

And since Jesus's second coming is 7 years after Gog/Magog, that Gog/Magog may happen this fall.

Not enough time for your solar flare/Christian nation replacement of the current nation of Israel theory to take place.
 
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keras, there is the possibility that since Jesus on His first coming fulfilled the spring feasts, that at His second coming, He will fulfill the fall feasts.

And since Jesus's second coming is 7 years after Gog/Magog, that Gog/Magog may happen this fall.

Not enough time for your solar flare/Christian nation replacement of the current nation of Israel theory to take place.
Or for your silly 'anytime rapture'.
 
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