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Are we God's "Experiment"?

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Consider that the first thing most do is make it about themselves, the original sin. If you understand the Bible, it is about the Kingdom/rulership of God, not about us. We are but bit players in a bigger game where He tries to bring the opposing powers of good and evil back into balance, a balance upset by elohim and humans alike. It's all about His will ultimately being done, not about us selfish humans who think everything is about us.
 
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We are but bit players in a bigger game where He tries to bring the opposing powers of good and evil back into balance,
Opposing powers of good and evil back into balance?

Evil is absence of good. Like darkness absence of light. God is all good, there was no evil before, just God.

Humans sinned and evil entered the world. God sent His Son who defeated evil on the cross. When He comes second time, He will destroy evil. Jesus restores what man broke, and there will be no more evil, just good.
 
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Evil is absence of good. Like darkness absence of light. God is all good, there was no evil before, just God.
One cannot exist.. be known.. without the other. It was all there in the beginning and God saw that it was good. He warned man not to mess with it but we did, just as the elohim before us did. He wouldn't have warned the couple not to mess with it if it didn't exist.
 
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One cannot exist.. be known.. without the other. It was all there in the beginning and God saw that it was good. He warned man not to mess with it but we did, just as the elohim before us did. He wouldn't have warned the couple not to mess with it if it didn't exist.
Good cannot exist without evil?

My friend, before the Creation, there was only God and nothing else. And I can assure you, there is no evil in God.

God saw that all was good, therefore there was no evil. If there was evil, it wouldn't be all good.
 
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God saw that all was good, therefore there was no evil. If there was evil, it wouldn't be all good.
Not in this universe we conceive. Like I said, He wouldn't have need warn them if it didn't exist. We certainly aren't gods enough to create it either, nor were the elohim.
 
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Not in this universe we conceive. Like I said, He wouldn't have need warn them if it didn't exist. We certainly aren't gods enough to create it either, nor were the elohim.
You still haven't explained my main point, and that before the Creation there was only God, and in Him never was and never will be evil.

God didn't create evil, to suggest He did wouls be a blasphemy.

Before humanity sinned, satan and third of the angels sinned. God knew about evil, but He did not make it. I wouldn't even say that evil was made.
 
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If God is the All, He is everything. He has no problem with Himself.
God is Holy, there is no evil in Him, only goodness.

I hope you don't believe there is something that is evil in God.
 
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Everything in Creation has an opposite. You'll figure it out.

Agreed. Everything has an opposite because we make judgments. We know good from evil, or so we think. The amazing thing is, if we forget about ourselves long enough, the world looks differently. Creation becomes creation, and we become a part of it, and God's will is good.
 
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Thanks for the reply. It is kind of amazing how Jesus showed up the devil. That humans who were created lower than angels are now heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus. That God got a family out of this. It is sad that so many refuse to receive Christ. God does test too, he does not want to repeat the Satan rebellion scenario again. Even at the end of the millenium there is a test again. Regardless of what we imagine God is just in all of this. Relax though in the perfect grade or gift of righteousness that Jesus gave us. Crazy stuff happens and we can't understand it all but we can get nuggets if we are really seeking and get some peace in the process as well.
 
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Thanks for the reply. It is kind of amazing how Jesus showed up the devil. That humans who were created lower than angels are now heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus. That God got a family out of this. It is sad that so many refuse to receive Christ. God does test too, he does not want to repeat the Satan rebellion scenario again. Even at the end of the millenium there is a test again. Regardless of what we imagine God is just in all of this. Relax though in the perfect grade or gift of righteousness that Jesus gave us. Crazy stuff happens and we can't understand it all but we can get nuggets if we are really seeking and get some peace in the process as well.
Maybe the Holy Spirit can help me see what I'm not seeing.
 
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I'm sorry, but I just can't get away from the idea that mankind is God's "experiment".
Not 'experiment', but His incredible and amazing Plan. To prove His righteousness when He arraigns Satan.

HOW IT WAS:
Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer. [the light bearer]
It was a sad day for God when Lucifer began to aspire to take over God’s kingship. Lucifer said; “I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14. Then he convinced a third of the other angels to go with him in rebellion against God.

God had a dilemma. He couldn’t simply wipe out those beings that He had created, because as a perfect and righteous God, to arbitrarily destroy them would not prove His just sentence against them.
What was required were witnesses – intelligent, unbiased and independent jurors to sit at this trial of Lucifer and his followers, so that the defendants could not say to God- you are unjust. Job 34:10-12, John 15:27
So God thought about that universe that He had created in another dimension and tidied up a suitable planet in it. He prepared a beautiful garden, and then formed a man and a woman in His likeness. They were given free will over their actions.

God may have been quite happy had Adam and Eve continued in obedience to Him. However, I guess God knew that they wouldn’t and sin came into this world, which does give humans the choice between good and evil.
And so, the first civilization gradually fell into worse and worse sin, until God wiped them out with a great flood, saving only one family.

Once again, the population increased and God decided that one righteous man would father a nation that would become “a light to all nations” in order to show the world His ways and be a people who would become His jurors and His friends. Isaiah 43:10-11
God showed His love for these people by rescuing them from bondage in Egypt, giving them His laws and settling them into the Promised Land. According to His plan, they divided into two Kingdoms - the House of Judah and the House of Israel. 1 Kings 12:24

Sadly, even these peoples backslid into apostasy and idolatry. So, ‘God flung them out of His presence.’ Jeremiah 23:39 They went into exile among the nations of the world. The House of Judah remains a visible entity, but the House of Israel is lost to our knowledge – only to be identified when all twelve tribes are gathered into the Land.

Into Judah, God sent His Son, Jesus, to clearly tell all who would listen how to live righteously in God’s sight. In order to atone for men’s sins, there has to be a sacrifice.
Jesus made that sacrifice for all those who accept Him as saviour, by His death on the Cross. He also demonstrated God’s power over death and Lucifer by rising to life again.

Now, nearly two thousand years later, most of Judah still refuse to recognise the Messiah, but Righteous Israelites – those who love God and follow in His ways – await their redemption. Soon the Promised Land will be cleared of all wicked peoples, Jeremiah 12:14, and His Christian peoples will gather there with great joy and gladness. Isaiah 35:10, Romans 9:24-26
Ref: logostelos.info
 
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Not 'experiment', but His incredible and amazing Plan. To prove His righteousness when He arraigns Satan.

HOW IT WAS:
Long ago, God, who has existed forever, formed the angelic beings, in order to serve Him in the Heavenly realms. There are a great number of angels and they have varying degrees of powers. The most powerful of these is Lucifer. [the light bearer]
It was a sad day for God when Lucifer began to aspire to take over God’s kingship. Lucifer said; “I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14. Then he convinced a third of the other angels to go with him in rebellion against God.

God had a dilemma. He couldn’t simply wipe out those beings that He had created, because as a perfect and righteous God, to arbitrarily destroy them would not prove His just sentence against them.
What was required were witnesses – intelligent, unbiased and independent jurors to sit at this trial of Lucifer and his followers, so that the defendants could not say to God- you are unjust. Job 34:10-12, John 15:27
So God thought about that universe that He had created in another dimension and tidied up a suitable planet in it. He prepared a beautiful garden, and then formed a man and a woman in His likeness. They were given free will over their actions.

God may have been quite happy had Adam and Eve continued in obedience to Him. However, I guess God knew that they wouldn’t and sin came into this world, which does give humans the choice between good and evil.
And so, the first civilization gradually fell into worse and worse sin, until God wiped them out with a great flood, saving only one family.

Once again, the population increased and God decided that one righteous man would father a nation that would become “a light to all nations” in order to show the world His ways and be a people who would become His jurors and His friends. Isaiah 43:10-11
God showed His love for these people by rescuing them from bondage in Egypt, giving them His laws and settling them into the Promised Land. According to His plan, they divided into two Kingdoms - the House of Judah and the House of Israel. 1 Kings 12:24

Sadly, even these peoples backslid into apostasy and idolatry. So, ‘God flung them out of His presence.’ Jeremiah 23:39 They went into exile among the nations of the world. The House of Judah remains a visible entity, but the House of Israel is lost to our knowledge – only to be identified when all twelve tribes are gathered into the Land.

Into Judah, God sent His Son, Jesus, to clearly tell all who would listen how to live righteously in God’s sight. In order to atone for men’s sins, there has to be a sacrifice.
Jesus made that sacrifice for all those who accept Him as saviour, by His death on the Cross. He also demonstrated God’s power over death and Lucifer by rising to life again.

Now, nearly two thousand years later, most of Judah still refuse to recognise the Messiah, but Righteous Israelites – those who love God and follow in His ways – await their redemption. Soon the Promised Land will be cleared of all wicked peoples, Jeremiah 12:14, and His Christian peoples will gather there with great joy and gladness. Isaiah 35:10, Romans 9:24-26
Ref: logostelos.info
You make it out to sound that God didn't have a plan from the beginning and is working his plan, it seems to me that what you are believing is God is responding to what's going on with his creation and trying to save some of it. That's not the God I see in scripture.
 
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Consider that the first thing most do is make it about themselves, the original sin. If you understand the Bible, it is about the Kingdom/rulership of God, not about us. We are but bit players in a bigger game where He tries to bring the opposing powers of good and evil back into balance, a balance upset by elohim and humans alike. It's all about His will ultimately being done, not about us selfish humans who think everything is about us.
Since God is the ultimate Lover, would He not be wanting to help every single individual who is just willingly seeking Him to find Him?
 
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Since God is the ultimate Lover, would He not be wanting to help every single individual who is just willingly seeking Him to find Him?
That's part of the balancing act. Finding Him, as people call it, is doing His will.
 
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God had a dilemma.
I don't believe God ever had a "dilemma".
That suggests that he didn't know what to do and God knows, and sees, everything.
 
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I don't believe God ever had a "dilemma".
That suggests that he didn't know what to do and God knows, and sees, everything.
God likes our creative spirit. He just wishes to maintain organizational control, keep the confusion in balance. We.. not so much, especially as the world is showing today. His focus is on the balance itself, not we unbalanced.
 
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