BREAKING: 'Targeted Terror Attack' Hits Boulder, Colorado, During Pro-Israel Gathering

[rjs330]

Yes they are. Even if they are "abusing" the law, they are here legally. If you want to try and deport them you should do that legally, too, even if you are doing it because you hate Islam.

Thats why I said they need an immediate appearance on front of a judge and be deported immediately after. They may not be here illegally under rhe asylum laws, but under the circumstances an immediate removal is necessary.

 

[rjs330]

Rubbish, it was a bipartisan bill with support from both parties.

No it wasnt. If it was truly bi-partisan it would have passed. The bill had serious problems. Problems
that could not be overcome. Thats why it failed.

And right now, Trump is trying to solve the issues created by Democrats. Biden could have done something without the bill being passed. But he didn't. He could have started doing what Trump is, but he didn't. Instead a record number of illegals were let in.

And before you mention it, Congress, no matter who is in charge, has totally failed in addressing this matter. They have FAILED, to address the asylum problems and FAILED to address the immigration laws. THAT is the true Bipartisan failure of congress.

 

[rjs330]

I don't know, conservative Christians seem to have no trouble hating.

That is a total falsehood. If one truly believes that then its evidence of ones own dislike of Christianity. Its politically biased based upon one's personal belief system that anyone who shines the light upon darkness is hateful.

Thats okay, Jesus said we would be hated for our light becauae it exposes the works of darkness. He said people would do that because they live darkness rather than light.

The light exposes the wickedness in all of us. Without Christ my heart is filled with with darkness. With Christ it is cleased from all unrighteousness.

And all believers are called to love AND expose the works of darkness.

 

[rjs330]

Just from the posts in this thread one would have to assume that the Christian position is that all Muslims are guilty by commonality of religion for crimes committed by any one of them.

From your posts one would have to assume that your position is all Christians are guilty of hatred by commonality of religion by any act committed by any one of them.

 

[BCP1928]

That is a total falsehood. If one truly believes that then its evidence of ones own dislike of Christianity. Its politically biased based upon one's personal belief system that anyone who shines the light upon darkness is hateful.

Thats okay, Jesus said we would be hated for our light becauae it exposes the works of darkness. He said people would do that because they live darkness rather than light.

The light exposes the wickedness in all of us. Without Christ my heart is filled with with darkness. With Christ it is cleased from all unrighteousness.

And all believers are called to love AND expose the works of darkness.

Of course that explains your entirely non-hateful attitude towards Islam.

 

[durangodawood]

No it wasnt. If it was truly bi-partisan it would have passed. The bill had serious problems. Problems
that could not be overcome. Thats why it failed.

It was set to pass. Trump exerted his influence among Rs to kill it so that the immigration issue could stay hot for the duration of the campaign. The status quo favored him significantly.

 

[BCP1928]

From your posts one would have to assume that your position is all Christians are guilty of hatred by commonality of religion by any act committed by any one of them.

I think it quite possible that might have to happen. I'm already a "Bible-hating, Christ denying commie" and the Bishop of the National Cathedral is a "blasphemous pervert." But will have to wait and see. The DOJ has a task force trying to determine who is a "real" Christian. Then we can revisit your assumption that I believe that "all" Christians are guilty of hatred.

 

[rjs330]

Many of them are and it pains me to see them being promoted in Christ's name.

Please enlighten us to the evil positions that are promoted in Christ's name.

Wanting some form of gun control is not a problem for law-abiding gun owners. It's not a conspiracy to disarm Real True Christian Patriots.

Actually many forms of gun control are a problem for law abiding gun owners, which has nothing to do with "Real true Christian Patriots". This is so bigoted its undeniable.

There is plenty of evidence that the left does wish remove guns from the populace. Christian or not. If you use the go back machine, nearly every thread on mass shootings has people saying we need to get rid of guns.

I remember pointing it out.

By the way, I am not a gun person. I own a couple, but I'm not a gun person.

Conservative Bible-believing Christians who take the postions indicated.

Conservatives in general believe in deporting illegals. Its not a "Christian" position. It's a political position. I would hold the same positions even if I were not a Christian. My father was a pastor and not once did I ever hear a single message on any of the topics you love to associate with "Christian" positions.

Conservatives are not all Christians and not all Christians are Conservatives.

Just like not all Muslims are murdering fanatics.

How about being discriminated against for being a woman. a person of color, a refugee, an LGBT. Would you like that any better?

I don't share your way of life. Good thing I was born here.

Actually you do. You live it every day here. You share our way of life. You were raised in it. You may not share our political views, but you do you've our way of life in America. And yes, it IS good you were born here. You could have been born in Iran.

Those folks have no idea what its like to be discriminated against. Neither do Christians in this country. Our way of life is so good that we perpetually complain about such minor things. Like micro aggression. Are you kidding me? Or perhaps the Starbucks cup debacle. We have Christians complaining about that silliness while in Muslim countries or China there is REAL persecution going on. Women in this country have it SO good. They could be forced to have a male with them when out in public or put in a burka. Yet the left still whines about discrimination, saying at rhe same time men should be allowed to show off their penis' to them.

 

[BCP1928]

Please enlighten us to the evil positions that are promoted in Christ's name.

Actually many forms of gun control are a problem for law abiding gun owners, which has nothing to do with "Real true Christian Patriots". This is so bigoted its undeniable.

There is plenty of evidence that the left does wish remove guns from the populace. Christian or not. If you use the go back machine, nearly every thread on mass shootings has people saying we need to get rid of guns.

I remember pointing it out.

By the way, I am not a gun person. I own a couple, but I'm not a gun person.

Conservatives in general believe in deporting illegals. Its not a "Christian" position. It's a political position. I would hold the same positions even if I were not a Christian. My father was a pastor and not once did I ever hear a single message on any of the topics you love to associate with "Christian" positions.

Conservatives are not all Christians and not all Christians are Conservatives.

Just like not all Muslims are murdering fanatics.

Actually you do. You live it every day here. You share our way of life. You were raised in it. You may not share our political views, but you do you've our way of life in America. And yes, it IS good you were born here. You could have been born in Iran.

Those folks have no idea what its like to be discriminated against. Neither do Christians in this country. Our way of life is so good that we perpetually complain about such minor things. Like micro aggression. Are you kidding me? Or perhaps the Starbucks cup debacle. We have Christians complaining about that silliness while in Muslim countries or China there is REAL persecution going on. Women in this country have it SO good. They could be forced to have a male with them when out in public or put in a burka. Yet the left still whines about discrimination, saying at rhe same time men should be allowed to show off their penis' to them.

So apparently you are really defending what is loosely termed "anglo-Protestant culture." Is that why you mean by "Our way of life?"

 

[Hans Blaster]

You would be better to understand that we Aussies relate very much to what is happening in the US. But also in other nations. Politics is basicially divided into liberals and conservatives. You can call it different names but basically its conservatives as opposed to liberal progressives.

Even this terminology invokes your confusion. In your country "the Liberals" are a center right party, where as in mine, "liberals" refers to those on the general left.

The statement that started this was about the *politics* of *American* conservative Christians. As you yourself have noted the *politics* of conservative Christians is different in your country than in ours. The reference was to something that did not apply to the politics of Australian conservative Christians.

So I understand very much when someone makes a swipe at conservatives. Its completely different to radical Islamists who commit terror. But conservatives are being likened to these radicals. That is what was implied. So double sigh lol.

It wasn't even a "swipe" at *all* conservative AMERICAN Christians, so pull back on your persecution complex a bit.

 

[rjs330]

Of course that explains your entirely non-hateful attitude towards Islam.

Of course that explains your entirely non-hateful attitude towards Islam.

Every religion that teaches anything that is contrary to the Scriptures is a false religion. Salvation is through Christ and Christ alone. But I dont hate the people who have been ensnared by those religions. They are just as lost as I was before I believed in Christ as my salvation. I cannot hate the lost.

 

[essentialsaltes]

No it wasnt. If it was truly bi-partisan it would have passed.

Baloney. Trump told team red to kill it, and they killed it. And just like shutting down the government, Trump took credit for it.

“As the leader of our party, there is zero chance I will support this horrible open borders betrayal of America,” Trump told a rowdy crowd of supporters at a rally in Las Vegas on Saturday, ahead of the state’s presidential caucus on Feb. 8. “I’ll fight it all the way. A lot of the senators are trying to say, respectfully, they’re blaming it on me. I say, that’s okay. Please blame it on me. Please.”

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes but we can work out that slavery was wrong and unjustified biblically.

How so? The Bible spells out the rules for slavery - who and how to enslave biblically. For instance, if you, being Hebrew, buy a Hebrew man, he must be released after seven years or upon Jubilee; however, if he loves the wife that you provided, then he may choose to spend the remainder of his life enslaved. If you buy a Hebrew woman, she is yours for as long as you like but if you stop wanting her service, then set her free or return her as property to her father. If you buy a slave from the non-Hebrews amongst you, you not only get to keep him for his life, but you can pass him and any kids he may have on to your children as their inheritance.

That we can look at the cultural and economic context and find other motivations for slavery besides biblical ones.

Of course. The Bible certainly does not require slavery.

That the bible was used wrongly to justify a practice that was fuled by personal motives like economics.

The Bible lays out the rules for acquiring and treating slaves but does not address motivations for getting them (apart from finding virgin girl captives attractive and desirable).

But also science ironically that relegated some ghumans to subspecies back then. We have in the name of science done some barbaric acts.

Science changes with new information; the Bible is eternally unchanging (or so I'm told).

Yes and this is only one aspect of how to deal with law and order. This is the punitive approach and it will never deal with the root problems. But that is not a Christian thing but political I think.

Imprisonment began as the humane option; prisoners were to reflect on the error of their ways. I agree that it is punitive and will never deal with the root problems - apart from those with decent rehab options.

Law and order has been a big issue in the US since the days of the wild west lol.

The wild west was wild.

It can be argued that God permits death for certain evil. Even non Christians see the logic in this. But if people chose mercy there is also nothing wrong with that. It doesn't have to be a one way or the other and both are permitted depending on the situation I think.

It can be argued that God requires death for certain evil such as gathering firewood on a Sabbath, adultery, losing a war while being of a certain ethnicity - but this appears to be more honored in the breach than the observance...

 

[durangodawood]

How so? The Bible spells out the rules for slavery - who and how to enslave biblically. For instance, if you, being Hebrew, buy a Hebrew man, he must be released after seven years or upon Jubilee; however, if he loves the wife that you provided, then he may choose to spend the remainder of his life enslaved. If you buy a Hebrew woman, she is yours for as long as you like but if you stop wanting her service, then set her free or return her as property to her father. If you buy a slave from the non-Hebrews amongst you, you not only get to keep him for his life, but you can pass him and any kids he may have on to your children as their inheritance.
....

My understanding is that these biblical rules were improvements upon the previous anything-goes disposition toward slaves. They represented moral progress.

The problem for believers, as I see it, is the whole notion of moral progress challenges the idea a fixed "eternal" morality. And clearly, we now reject the morality of ownership of other humans.

 

[Lukaris]

Your original complaint was about the speed with which asylum claims were processed. Border agents do not adjudicate asylum claims.


An additional 4,300 asylum officers would have been able to process claims faster and more efficiently. But as you note, that bipartisan bill was not passed. Due primarily to the interference of Trump.

It created a catch 22 of lacking border security to begin with so we would need more bureaucracy to handle greater influx. I remember problems with it and “bipartisan” rejection of HR 2: “Secure the border act” which was what the Trump coalition wanted instead.

The Senate Immigration Deal Would Only Make the Border Crisis Worse

On the heels of the worst month ever recorded at our southern border, a Senate deal is being quietly negotiated by Republican lawmakers. Desperate to secure more money for Ukraine, they are attempting to mollify public concern over the chaos that has reigned at the border since President Biden...

www.heritage.org

 

[Fantine]

Makes no sense...first you claim he "caused more catastrophes in 4 months than the aggregate mistakes of all the presidents in my lifetime combined." Then you say "It is impossible to quantify exactly how disastrous his presidency is."

That's because he adds offenses daily.

 

[rjs330]

So apparently you are really defending what is loosely termed "anglo-Protestant culture." Is that why you mean by "Our way of life?"

Just wondering how many times I noted in my post that a position was not a Christian one. Once you more that then please come back with how anything I said showed our way of life was a Anglo-Protestant one.

 

[BCP1928]

Just wondering how many times I noted in my post that a position was not a Christian one. Once you more that then please come back with how anything I said showed our way of life was a Anglo-Protestant one.

What is it. then?

 

[rjs330]

The point is, they think opposing gun control is biblical so they do it in Christ's name.

Which religion was involved in the OP attack?

And what kind of nonsense are you spouting? Oh I know. People who make a claim that Jesus would be for gun control are countered and that somehow means Christ was against gun control.

Good grief.

 

[rjs330]

My understanding is that these biblical rules were improvements upon the previous anything-goes disposition toward slaves. They represented moral progress.

The problem for believers, as I see it, is the whole notion of moral progress challenges the idea a fixed "eternal" morality. And clearly, we now reject the morality of ownership of other humans.

This is not the place to speak of Biblical Doctrine. We have gone off topic. We'd be happy to talk about it in a separate thread.