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Some Christians don't get involved in politics and leave the material world concerns to others.
But then on the other side there are those who let their religion inform and guide their political choices.
Then again, there are those who really take advantage of people's religious beliefs to bolster their own power... generating lots of religious sounding language, but for their own purposes.

* Would it be better to steer clear of politics and politicians and rely completely on Jesus?
From what I've read of the gospels, that seems more in line with what Jesus was saying.
 

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It is my opinion and belief that as citizens of this world we as Christians should be involved in how our government(s) are run. I am a conservative Republican and I believe in "In God We Trust." We should show our Christ-like attitude within the confines of politics and influence what is right whenever we can.
 
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It is my opinion and belief that as citizens of this world we as Christians should be involved in how our government(s) are run. I am a conservative Republican and I believe in "In God We Trust." We should show our Christ-like attitude within the confines of politics and influence what is right whenever we can.
But doesn't... 'In God we trust' contradict you.. if you trust God, just leave it to him.
 
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But doesn't... 'In God we trust' contradict you.. if you trust God, just leave it to him.
God uses us as His instrument in this world. Should Christians just stand by while corruption, evil reigns in our government? God handles all but He uses His people as well.
 
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But Jesus tells us not to worry about material things..
God uses us as His instrument in this world. Should Christians just stand by while corruption, evil reigns in our government? God handles all but He uses His people as well.
 
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But Jesus tells us not to worry about material things..
The state of our nation is not "material" things. As a christian, I believe it is my duty as a citizen of this nation to take a stand against good vs evil in our government. Material things would be whatever we choose to covet after.
 
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While I still follow it, I've gotten less passionate about politics as the years have gone by. It just doesn't really matter. God is able to work & save people despite the flaws in government & human sin.

People are born into decent nations & come out as Christians. People are born into wicked nations & come out as Christians. The Gospel isn't advanced by passing laws.

The NT doesn't exactly forbid getting involved in politics, only to follow the law the government gives you.
 
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Politics at the end is a business of Caesers. Does it subject ot God and Jesus, possible. Does it subject to the influence of Satan, more likely. Caesers' are not of God, their business thus is more likely being influenced by Satan.
 
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Having pride in one's nation, especially one that promotes individual freedoms, is not sinful. One lives in this realm and should do all that is good, honest to promote such attributes at this.
 
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It is my opinion and belief that as citizens of this world we as Christians should be involved in how our government(s) are run. I am a conservative Republican and I believe in "In God We Trust." We should show our Christ-like attitude within the confines of politics and influence what is right whenever we can.
I agree with you. It's very sad some Republican don't support our President Trump.
 
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Whether or not to participate in politics is a personal decision, but no matter what realm a Christian involves themselves in they would ideally do so with Christ in mind first and foremost. There's no reason within the context of a democracy for a Christian to abstain from engagement with the political process, but their concerns shouldn't be about preserving their material comfort but about shaping the government to reflect Christian values. By that I do not mean only the imposition of moralist conscriptions though moral struggles will no doubt be n play. What I mean is that the government we seek should be one that serves the needs of orphans and widows, that treats foreigners with dignity, that is a beacon to the world for compassion and fair treatment. So we, as Christians, should not get stuck on petty politics and partisan bickering, but in our politiccal lives reflect the values Christ calls us to.
 
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We probably have to use our faith values to influence our political choices. I believe we have to realize that while our sense of faith should be infallible our political choices are not. Christians can be deep political rivals but each might be right with the Lord.
 
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We probably have to use our faith values to influence our political choices. I believe we have to realize that while our sense of faith should be infallible our political choices are not. Christians can be deep political rivals but each might be right with the Lord.
This. Completely agree.
 
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Some Christians don't get involved in politics and leave the material world concerns to others.
But then on the other side there are those who let their religion inform and guide their political choices.
Then again, there are those who really take advantage of people's religious beliefs to bolster their own power... generating lots of religious sounding language, but for their own purposes.

* Would it be better to steer clear of politics and politicians and rely completely on Jesus?
From what I've read of the gospels, that seems more in line with what Jesus was saying.

If we pay attention to the Gospels, it's pretty hard to come away thinking Jesus had nothing to say politically. The catch is that the "politics" of the Gospels is radically different than what we usually consider politics.

Jesus went around preaching about a kingdom. That this kingdom isn't like the kingdoms and powers of this present fallen age doesn't change the fact that it is called "kingdom".

The Cross was a political act, Jesus died an enemy of the state. That is, again, political. But, again, the Cross subverts the political. What Rome used as a tool of terrorism and subjugation, Jesus transforms into the instrument of peace that overcomes and defies the powers of this fallen world. So St. Paul says that Christ made "a public spectacle" of the powers by the means of His cross.

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And then there is the Gospel itself. This word "gospel", "good news", had significance and meaning in the ancient Greco-Roman world. From the time of ancient Greece right into the midst of the Roman empire this word was used to describe the proclaiming major events. When the Persians were defeated when they tried to conquer Greece, heralds went out to preach the "gospel" of the victory over the Persian forces to all the towns and people.

In Anatolia there was this inscription on a building in Priene,

"'Since Providence, which has ordered all things and is deeply interested in our life, has set in most perfect order by giving us Augustus, whom she filled with virtue that he might benefit humankind, sending him as a savior, both for us and for our descendants, that he might end war and arrange all things, and since he, Caesar, by his appearance (excelled even our anticipations), surpassing all previous benefactors, and not even leaving to posterity any hope of surpassing what he has done, and since the birthday of the god Augustus was the beginning of the gospel for the world that came by reason of him,'"

A gospel was a proclamation of victory, of major achievement, of the ascension of a king.

And so, then, we read this in the Gospel of Mark,

"Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, and saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel.'" - Mark 1:14-15

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is, in a sense, a direct challenge to all other gospels. Such as Caesar's gospel.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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