6,000 Years?

[FaithT]

This link brings me to a page that says “You may have found a missing link, but our journey continues on.”

Then drop them a note like they asked of you if you can’t accept facts. Not my problem.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And before you start squawking, find the rest yourself because it’s hard for me to paste stuff on here so I’m not doing it any more at Least for awhile.

I’m just asking for something to support your claim and you don’t even know what genealogy we’re talking about. You’re not gonna find anything about the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Matthew or Luke.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then drop them a note like they asked of you if you can’t accept facts. Not my problem.

Look you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about so don’t get angry at me just because your link doesn’t work.

 

[FaithT]

I’m just asking for something to support your claim and you don’t even know what genealogy we’re talking about. You’re not gonna find anything about the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Matthew or Luke.

No the OT

 

[FaithT]

Look you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about so don’t get angry at me just because your link doesn’t work.

Yeah, I do. And if the link doesn’t work, tough. The genealogies were written by Usher who even tried to get people to believe he knew the date of creation. And some people are really that gullible.

 

[BNR32FAN]

From Noah to Abraham to Moses: Evidence of Genealogical Gaps in Mosaic Literature, Part 1

In the age of the Earth debate, young-earth creationists often rely on the genealogies recorded in the Bible to calculate a precise creation timeline reaching back approximately 6,000 years. But sound reasons exist for viewing these genealogies as meaningful though incomplete records. And with...

reasons.org

Ok here’s the first problem I found

“If God, through the biblical authors, wished to detail a precise timeline from the creation event to the Flood or to Abraham, why didn’t He simply provide this information—just as He did with the descent into Egypt to the Exodus (430 years, Exodus 12:40–41) and with the Exodus to Solomon’s temple (480 years, 1 Kings 6:1)? Is it rational to conclude that God chose not to reveal this in Scripture, but intended later scholars to sort through sketchy information about the earliest patriarchs to calculate dates for creation and the Flood?”

It’s not irrational at all for God to create a timeline in this manner because this type of timeline actually serves more than one purpose. It’s not only a way to give an age for the earth but also a way to show an ancestral lineage as well as giving a specific time frame for when each of these key individuals lived. So just because this guy claims it’s irrational doesn’t mean that it actually is just because he said so and he wrote an article about it on the internet. Because of this particular way He chose to write it we can know when the flood took place. We can know when Noah lived, or Adam, or anyone in this genealogy. And we can know how many years passed between the creation of earth and Abraham’s birth.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No the OT

But your link from Catholic Answers doesn’t mention the genealogies in the OT it only talks about the genealogies in Matthew & Luke.

 

[Mercy Shown]

Yet no one can make a case that it is 'God' that disagrees with yec

If one can prove God then how could He be God?

 

[FaithT]

But your link from Catholic Answers doesn’t mention the genealogies in the OT it only talks about the genealogies in Matthew & Luke.

Then keep looking. It’s not my job to find proof for you that most intelligent people already know. You seem intelligent so find it yourself. I’m on vacay.

 

[Mercy Shown]

I do not have faith in scientists. I believe people are capable of discovering new facts in time, as humanity develops, though. Therefore, we do not need to stick to the iron age Mesopotamian mythological worldview, today.

You have so much faith that you believe that what scientists believe are facts.

 

[truthpls]

Before I go too far here I need to make sure I'm reading this right. Are you actually accusing scientists of engaging in deliberate fraud?

No. I am saying most are just deceived

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then keep looking. It’s not my job to find proof for you that most intelligent people already know. You seem intelligent so find it yourself. I’m on vacay.

You claim you know what you’re talking about then you post a link about the wrong genealogy and your acting like I’m the one who doesn’t know what I’m talking about because I’m the one pointing out your mistake. Look man you made a mistake, I’m just trying to help. You’re the one who created the thread about this discussion and it sounds like you’re not interested in discussing it. If you don’t want to discuss it anymore have the moderators close the thread so people won’t discuss it anymore.

 

[truthpls]

We are not talking about what God knows.

I was. Not sure what you are talking about.

What? There is no star called Wormwood. If you refer to the book of Revelation, it uses symbolic language. It is not a scientific textbook.

Revelation 8:11
And the name of the star is called Wormwood:

God says there is. It will fall to earth and have specific effects at a specific time and the star has a specific name. The One who tells us knows because He knows the name of every star, even Wormwood. Sorry, stars ars simply just not what you thought they were, period

Prophetical/poetic language, obviously. It is nonsensical to read it literally like "when you look up, the stars will not be there any more".

No more nonsensical than saying the heavens will depart and roll up like a scroll and be no more. Just because it rocks the boat of the physical only 'science' minded does not mean it is not the way it is. It just means it is a shock to your system

We do not live on a flat earth with the firmament with stars.

Glad you got that much straight. Are you trying to pretend the bible said we were?

We live in a vast universe with galaxies.

None of which you know what they really are. Nor actual sizes, real composition, origin, destiny etc etc

Literal stars cannot literally "fall from heaven".

Yes they sure can and will. Sorry I do not share your conception of what stars are or where they came from etc. Nor does the One who made them all.

Do you know how the Universe works?

Not really. I do know it does NOT work the way natural only God denying fantasy so called science says though. That much I KNOW

Stars are not glued to our sky to fall down.

Again you got something right. Did you think only things 'glued' fell down?

 

[truthpls]

I agree

 

[truthpls]

Do you both realize you are talking about astrology, there?

No, but I do realize you made that up

 

[truthpls]

If one can prove God then how could He be God?

If you could prove Him would that make Him more powerful in your mind? Or more subject to the little weak thoughts of yours?

 

[River Jordan]

No. I am saying most are just deceived

Okay. I wanted to make sure you weren't saying scientists get results of 6,000 years but then cover up or change them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Which is an admission that the universe really does look old.


Scripture doesn't say that. In fact, Genesis 1 is about God creating mankind, not a single man.


That's what the embedded age belief requires, God tricking us in lots of different ways. It's one of the main reasons I don't believe it.

It has nothing to do with God tricking anybody because He specifically told everyone when the earth was made. You’re basically saying that when God created Adam He was trying to trick everyone because Adam was not created as a newborn baby on day 1. And FYI Adam & Eve had to be adults when they were created because a newborn baby isn’t capable of naming all the animals the day it’s born. And Genesis 1 is not about creating mankind because only one man and one woman were created on the sixth day. We know this by applying the information from chapter 1 with the information from chapter 2.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you both realize you are talking about astrology, there?

Yes, what’s your point?

 

[River Jordan]

It has nothing to do with God tricking anybody because He specifically told everyone when the earth was made.

There is no verse in scripture where God specifically says that.

You’re basically saying that when God created Adam He was trying to trick everyone because Adam was not created as a newborn baby on day 1. And FYI Adam & Eve had to be adults when they were created because a newborn baby isn’t capable of naming all the animals the day it’s born. And Genesis 1 is not about creating mankind because only one man and one woman were created on the sixth day. We know this by applying the information from chapter 1 with the information from chapter 2.

That's a way of reading Genesis that you're free to believe, but I (and most other Christians and Jews) don't agree with. That's okay though, it's not a salvation issue either way.