6,000 Years?

[truthpls]

Stars cannot fall to earth.

You overrule God? You might say that 'the universe cannot vanish in a day' Of course it can. Just not by the laws of physics alone. God is not limited by that.

The lights we see falling on earth are actually meteorites, but the ancient people did not understand what a star or a meteorite is.

How do you know what they understood? A star was defined as something different by ancient peoples. So the falling meteors were included in the use of the word. I do not see any such problem in the bible.

 

[trophy33]

You overrule God? You might say that 'the universe cannot vanish in a day' Of course it can. Just not by the laws of physics alone. God is not limited by that.

Equating the Bible with God is the source of all the YEC or the Flat Earth or similar nonsense.

How do you know what they understood? A star was defined as something different by ancient peoples. So the falling meteors were included in the use of the word. I do not see any such problem in the bible.

Not sure what you are trying to say. First you asked me if I overrule God when I said that stars cannot fall to earth. Now, you agree that they are actually "meteors" (the right term is meteorites, meteors do not fall to earth).

 

[truthpls]

Equating the Bible with God is the source of all the YEC or the Flat Earth or similar nonsense.

Not agreeing with Jesus that it is from God as He said and proved is the source of confusion and doubt

Not sure what you are trying to say. First you asked me if I overrule God when I said that stars cannot fall to earth.

He says they will fall. If you say they won't you try to overrule Him

Now, you agree that they are actually "meteors" (the right term is meteorites, meteors do not fall to earth).

Of course the ancients included all sorts of lights in the heavens as being stars. Even God calls things that science would not call a star a 'star'
Rev 7:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;


11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

The star that will fall is not the size of a sun! Yet who is to say it is not a star?

 

[trophy33]

Of course the ancients included all sorts of lights in the heavens as being stars. I do not see the bible doing that though. They can't blame God.

So, God or "the ancients"? Who wrote the Bible?

 

[truthpls]

So, God or "the ancients"? Who wrote the Bible?

God created the stars so He knows what a star is or not. Wormwood is a star. Not the biggest or brightest star. Have you any reason we would not call it star? When Jesus returns the stars will fall from the sky.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
When you look up, the stars will not be there any more. This indicates that the concept that science teaches about what stars are is wrong.

 

[River Jordan]

If one gets sore about the bogus numbers that anti creation science has bandied about being wrong and made up, then yes, they could grab other fictional numbers. Creation believers do not need to lie like that though, thankfully. We have Scripture that tells us what went down since the very beginning.

Before I go too far here I need to make sure I'm reading this right. Are you actually accusing scientists of engaging in deliberate fraud?

 

[River Jordan]

Or maybe the reason everything looks so old is just due to the creation process.

Which is an admission that the universe really does look old.

When God created Adam & Eve they weren’t newborns they were adults.

Scripture doesn't say that. In fact, Genesis 1 is about God creating mankind, not a single man.

Was God trying to trick everyone who hadn’t been created yet by making them appear to be older than they actually were?

That's what the embedded age belief requires, God tricking us in lots of different ways. It's one of the main reasons I don't believe it.

 

[trophy33]

God created the stars so He knows what a star is or not.

We are not talking about what God knows.

Wormwood is a star. Not the biggest or brightest star. Have you any reason we would not call it star? When Jesus returns the stars will fall from the sky.

What? There is no star called Wormwood. If you refer to the book of Revelation, it uses symbolic language. It is not a scientific textbook.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
When you look up, the stars will not be there any more. This indicates that the concept that science teaches about what stars are is wrong.

Prophetical/poetic language, obviously. It is nonsensical to read it literally like "when you look up, the stars will not be there any more". We do not live on a flat earth with the firmament with stars. We live in a vast universe with galaxies. Literal stars cannot literally "fall from heaven". Do you know how the Universe works? Stars are not glued to our sky to fall down.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The internet. Reasons to Believe. Catholic Answers. BioLogos

Can you post a link? I can’t explain their errors if I can’t find them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It also says for signs and seasons. In the end the stars will fall and also there will be signs in the heavens. Those signs are for those who then can see them! It does not mean that all stars in the universe were to be signs for the first few thousand years of history.

I agree

 

[trophy33]

It also says for signs and seasons. In the end the stars will fall and also there will be signs in the heavens. Those signs are for those who then can see them! It does not mean that all stars in the universe were to be signs for the first few thousand years of history.

I agree

Do you both realize you are talking about astrology, there?

 

[FaithT]

Where do you get that from?

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biologos.org

 

[FaithT]

Gospel Genealogy and the Young Earth

The short answer is that neither St. Luke’s genealogy of Jesus nor St. Matthew’s (Matthew 1) presumes to deal with the age of the Earth. Matthew’s traces Christ...

www.catholic.com

 

[BNR32FAN]

Stars cannot fall to earth. The lights we see falling on earth are actually meteorites, but the ancient people did not understand what a star or a meteorite is.

"Look, a falling star! Wish something!" remained in our language, but it is just a poetic expression.

Again I don’t understand your point here. Are you saying that God said that He made the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them in 6 days because man was incapable of comprehending billions of years because He literally used other phrases in the scriptures to convey numbers far greater than just billions. Take for example Abraham’s descendants, as numerous as the dust of the earth. Or Issac’s descendants, as numerous as the stars. So I don’t know what your point is here.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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biologos.org

This link brings me to a page that says “You may have found a missing link, but our journey continues on.”

 

[trophy33]

Again I don’t understand your point here. Are you dig that God said that He made the heavens and the earth and the seas and everything in them in 6 days because man was incapable of comprehending billions of years because He literally used other phrases in the scriptures to convey numbers far greater than just billions. Take for example Abraham’s descendants, as numerous as the dust of the earth. Or Issac’s descendants, as numerous as the stars. So I don’t know what your point is here.

God did not write the book of Genesis. So your reasoning is all nonsensical.

You are reading the iron age Hebrew work as if it was dictated by God, which positions you into conflict with various modern discoveries.

 

[FaithT]

From Noah to Abraham to Moses: Evidence of Genealogical Gaps in Mosaic Literature, Part 1

In the age of the Earth debate, young-earth creationists often rely on the genealogies recorded in the Bible to calculate a precise creation timeline reaching back approximately 6,000 years. But sound reasons exist for viewing these genealogies as meaningful though incomplete records. And with...

reasons.org

 

[BNR32FAN]

Gospel Genealogy and the Young Earth

The short answer is that neither St. Luke’s genealogy of Jesus nor St. Matthew’s (Matthew 1) presumes to deal with the age of the Earth. Matthew’s traces Christ...

www.catholic.com

Ok we’re not even talking about the genealogies in the New Testament we’re talking about the genealogies in Genesis 5 and Genesis 11. Thats the genealogy that gives an exact number of years between Adam & Abraham.

 

[FaithT]

And before you start squawking, find the rest yourself because it’s hard for me to paste stuff on here so I’m not doing it any more at Least for awhile.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God did not write the book of Genesis. So your reasoning is all nonsensical.

You are reading the iron age Hebrew work as if it was dictated by God, which positions you into conflict with various modern discoveries.

God revealed the book of Genesis to Moses because there’s no way Moses could’ve had such knowledge of certain past events contained in Genesis, particularly Genesis chapters 1 & 2 when not a single person was alive to witness anything written in those chapters that took place before the 6th day except God Himself. Not to mention all of the passages all throughout Genesis that revealed how God felt about certain situations and events that took place.