Wine

[timewerx]

I think it depends on the kind of the fermentation. For example, some cheeses can have like 2% of alcohol, yogurt has 0% etc.

Yogurt is not 0% alcohol. It ranges from <0.5 to 2% alcohol and the content increases from date of manufacture. Even the lowest alcohol yogurt in studies, although very low % alcohol is not zero.

There are many foods, additives, ingredients, sauces, etc that has alcohol in them. I hope you're not trying to achieve 0% alcohol content in your diet because that can get quite meticulous.

 

[trophy33]

Yogurt is not 0% alcohol. It ranges from <0.5 to 2% alcohol and the content increases from date of manufacture. Even the lowest alcohol yogurt in studies, although very low % alcohol is not zero.

From 0.05% to 2%.

 

[FireDragon76]

The damage to the body was less important than the celebration of marriage, I guess.

Life is trading something for something, almost always.

Average life expectancy in the Greco-Roman world could be remarkably short by today's standards. I would be hesistant drawing any kind of prescription based on the fact people in biblical times drank wine, sometimes in amounts today that we would recognize as unhealthy. Sanitation was often poor and communicable diseases and plagues were extremely common, and medicine, such as it was, was expensive and of limited use, so a little wine was the least of their worries.

 

[trophy33]

Average life expectancy in the Greco-Roman world could be remarkably short by today's standards. I would be hesistant drawing any kind of prescription based on the fact people in biblical times drank wine, sometimes in amounts today that we would recognize as unhealthy. Sanitation was often poor and communicable diseases and plagues were extremely common, and medicine, such as it was, was expensive and of limited use, so a little wine was the least of their worries.

Alcohol is quite good for disinfection, so it made sense in times with drinking water infected with bacteria and generally dirty. Not so much in today's times.

 

[timewerx]

From 0.05% to 2%.

I'm not sure why you bolded the lower limit of the % because you also wrote earlier it remains unknown what alcohol dosage is safe.

 

[ViaCrucis]

doesnt wine hurt the bod which is the temple of God? And yet Jesus turned water to wine? why

Anything you put in your body in excess hurts your body. Even something like water--water poisoning is real, but you have to drink a lot of water.

This is why many things are measured in dosage. Some things are really bad in even very small doses, things we usually refer to as toxins or poisons.

Alcohol can be poisonous when consumed in excess.

A glass of wine, for the average person, is perfectly fine.

Further, when Paul says our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, he isn't talking about what we eat or drink, he's talking about our actions. Specifically he's talking about having sex with temple prostitutes. In the ancient world many pagan temples had temple prostitutes who slept with worshipers as an act of worship to the pagan god. Obviously having sex with any prostitute is bad, but the emphasis Paul is making is that since our bodies are temples where the Holy Spirit dwells, polluting ourselves by sleeping with temple prostitutes desecrates God's temple (our bodies).

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BNR32FAN]

doesnt wine hurt the bod which is the temple of God? And yet Jesus turned water to wine? why

No, not in moderation.

 

[Bob Crowley]

At two atmospheres pressure oxygen is dangerous, as divers found out in the early days of rebreather equipment.

Gene mutations cause cancer and they can be due to alcohol, smoking, lack of exercise, radiation, viruses, cancer causing chemicals (carcinogens), obesity, hormones, and chronic inflammation (Mayo Clinic).

In the end something is going to kill us. I've just stopped applying cream used for skin cancer (flourouracil) which is due to over exposure to solar radiation (plenty of that in Australia). So far so good, but I'll see what the doctor says in a few months. My face has been rather tatty over the last couple of weeks due to the flourouracil, but it's healing up.

Incidentally it's the first time I've noticed how the body repairs itself at night when we're asleep. The way my face looked when I got up each morning was pretty much how it stayed all day. But the next morning after another night's sleep it would show improvement (once I'd stopped using the cream). Just an aside.

I'll take my chances with moderate wine consumption and the occasional (light) beer.

If wine was good enough for Christ, it's good enough for me. He also used wine to represent His blood.

 

[trophy33]

If wine was good enough for Christ, it's good enough for me. He also used wine to represent His blood.

I doubt you live in the same environment, eat the same food, move the same, are of the same age and drink the same wine and have the same miraculous powers as He did, though.

We must think in context.

 

[Bob Crowley]

I doubt you live in the same environment, eat the same food, move the same, are of the same age and drink the same wine and have the same miraculous powers as He did, though.

You are correct - I've lived more than twice as long as He did, but then I haven't faced the same outright hostility.

Not yet anyway.

He still grew older and therefore had the same issues with aging that we do growing from a baby to a 33 year old man or thereabouts.

In the normal scheme of events even God the Son in human form would have died from something sooner or later.

 

[trophy33]

He still grew older and therefore had the same issues with aging that we do growing from a baby to a 33 year old man or thereabouts.

In the normal scheme of events even God the Son in human form would have died from something sooner or later.

Well, this is an interesting thought. Maybe He would not age, because aging is an accumulated damage to the body over time. If He kept being totally healthy, He would not age.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Ecclesiastes 10:19 (KJV)​

A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things .
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It turns out that Jerusalem’s elites enjoyed their wine with a touch of vanilla.

Residue analysis evidence for wine enriched with vanilla consumed in Jerusalem on the eve of the Babylonian destruction in 586 BCE

The article presents results of residue analysis, based on Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectrometer (GC-MS) measurements, conducted on 13 ceramic storage jars unearthed in the Babylonian destruction layer (586 BCE) in Jerusalem. Five of the jars bear rosette stamp impressions on their handles...

journals.plos.org

 

[RileyG]

Ecclesiastes 10:19 (KJV)​

A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things .
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It turns out that Jerusalem’s elites enjoyed their wine with a touch of vanilla.

Residue analysis evidence for wine enriched with vanilla consumed in Jerusalem on the eve of the Babylonian destruction in 586 BCE

The article presents results of residue analysis, based on Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectrometer (GC-MS) measurements, conducted on 13 ceramic storage jars unearthed in the Babylonian destruction layer (586 BCE) in Jerusalem. Five of the jars bear rosette stamp impressions on their handles...

journals.plos.org

Interesting!

 

[Apple Sky]

Any amount of alcohol is carcinogenic and damages your brain, your gut and your liver.

Wrong - Whiskey thins the blood ...........

 

[Apple Sky]

Personally, I don't drink wine.

Nor me, I prefer whiskey - hiccup

 

[Apple Sky]

Moderation is ok, excess of anything can be harmful.

I agree - Look what happened to Noah

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[Strong in Him]

doesnt wine hurt the bod which is the temple of God? And yet Jesus turned water to wine? why

Turning water into wine was not about promoting a beverage. It was about saving the groom from the embarrassing, and socially awkward, situation of not having provided for his guests.
Jesus drank wine at the Last Supper - in fact Jews did every Passover.

 

[trophy33]

Wrong - Whiskey thins the blood ...........

No, it is not wrong, alcohol is carcinogen, proven beyond any doubt.

Thinning the blood is not so extraordinary - teas, K vitamin, cocoa, spices and many other things can do that too.

 

[Lost4words]

Totally false because you say so? You are also "people" I guess. But without any authority on the issue.

Guidance for alcohol consumption | Knowledge for policy

Examples of guid

knowledge4policy.ec.europa.eu

If you have an issue with alcohol dont drink it! Simples.....

Jesus drank wine..

I always have half a bottle in my bowl every night!! Its delicious..