The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[keras]

1/ Our situation for the last 2000 years and now:
The acceptance of Christianity by many people, but mainly those actually descended from the House of Israel -the ten Northern tribes.
This is the fulfilment of Jesus' Promise; Matthew 15:24 and of the OT Prophets about the restoration of Israel, but Spiritually, not genetic. Ezekiel 37:1-14, Ephesians 2:11-18 They will inherit the Kingdom. Matthew 21:42

2/ Soon to happen:
The terrible world changer of the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17
All of the faithful Christian peoples will gather into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, Revelation 7:9
They will at last be the people God always wanted there. His Witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27, and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:6, Matthew 5:14-16

3/ Jesus Returns:
All the wicked peoples will be destroyed. The Christian peoples will live in peace and prosperity, under the benign Kingship of Jesus. People will still marry, procreate and die, albeit, living much longer and disease free lives. Isaiah 65:20
At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released and he will be successful in convincing many to rebel against Jesus. Revelation 20:7-9
It is most likely all of the original people in the Millennium will have died by then. All the martyrs killed during the 42 months of world Satanic control and raised back to mortal life, as well. This will be their second death, as Revelation 13:5-7 & 20:6 explains. The second death as per Rev 20:14, applies to the wicked. God will burn up all of those rebels and Satan as well. He will Judge everyone who has ever lived, Revelation 20:11-15, including those who are alive and remain at that time. 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

4/ Eternity:
Those whose name are found in the Book of Life, will go with God into Eternity, as Spiritual beings. Mark 12:25, Revelation 21:1-7, in the New Jerusalem.

 

[keras]

The original plan of God was to have a people who would be His witnesses and be His Light to the nations. Ancient Israel failed in this mission, they were sent into exile, but only for a decreed time of punishment. Ezekiel 4:4-6 There are two groups: Israel and Judah. Judah have returned to a portion of the holy Land, but in unbelief and Israel remains scattered among the nations. Also many gentile people have been grafted in to Israel through the New Covenant of Jesus. The exile of Israel is over, but they; now every true righteous Christian person, Galatians 3:26-29, cannot go to their heritage, as all the holy Land is inhabited by atheists, Muslims and people with all kinds of ungodly beliefs and false religions.
What is God to do?
The same as He did in Noah's day: wipe them out, only this time by fire from the sun. Isaiah 66:5-17, Isaiah 30:26-39, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 6:12-17 The great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath, as prophesied in over 100 Bible passages: the means, the effects and the results.

This Day will be triggered by the commencement of an attack on Israel, from all directions by a confederation of nations and entities. Psalms 83:1-18 Iran will prepare their nuke missiles, Isaiah 22:6, but at the moment of firing, the Lord will destroy them by the powerful Electro Magnetic Pulse from an explosion of the sun. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 7:12-16, Jeremiah 49:35, Ezekiel 32:24-25, Deuteronomy 32:22
24 hours later the main mass of this Coronal Mass Ejection will arrive on earth. It will mainly affect the Middle East region killing all life except a remnant of the Jews in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Hosea 4:3
The rest of the world will see it coming and will hide among the rocks and in caves, Isaiah 2:21, Luke 23:30, Revelation 6:16, so most will survive.
Luke 21:25-26 ...signs will appear in the sun....people will stand helpless, not knowing which way to turn....They will faint with terror as they see what is coming. Luke 21:28 When you see these things, look up for your redemption draws near.
The Return of Jesus, mentioned in verse 27 happens later, as we know from the sequence in Revelation. Jesus does not Return in fire.

 

[keras]

The Redemption of the Lord’s people, by Isaiah ben Amos

Now: The Israel of God is everyone who believes in God and accepts the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:14-16, Romans 2:9-10



Isaiah, the Lord’s servant – his task is to prophesy the restoration of the 12 tribes of Jacob, to bring back the survivors of Israel, so that the Lord’s salvation may reach all of the earth.1

The remnant of Judah left in Zion will be called holy, when the Lord cleanses the Land by a spirit of judgement burning like fire.2 The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength on the Day the Lord saves His people.3 Then His glory will provide a refuge and shelter. On that Day, a remnant of Israel, the survivors of Jacob will return to God, their strength. 4

On that Day, the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from the four corners of the earth. He will make a signal to the nations and gather those dispersed from Judah and Israel. Enmity between Judah and Israel will cease.5

Listen, in silence, My people in the coasts and islands, together we go to the place of judgement. Israel, My servants summoned from the ends of the earth, the furthest corners. Have no fear, you will be strengthened and helped, upheld by My Right hand.6

I shall give descendants to Israel and Judah, heirs to my chosen people, they will take possession of My Land. Those who forsake the Lord are destined for the sword. 7

Go out, clear a road for My people, hoist a signal, see your deliverance comes. Comfort My people, their term of bondage is served, their penalty paid. Clear a road through the desert for the Lord – level the ground. I am about to do something new, can you see it? I shall make a way through the desert and I shall provide water so that My people may drink. They will praise Me.8

For a passing moment, I forsook you, but with tender affection, I shall bring you home again. I swear that My covenant of peace will never be shaken. 9

Arise and shine, Jerusalem, your sons and daughters are coming from afar – sailing along like clouds, vessels from the coasts and islands, returning your children from distant places, to the honour of God, for He has given you glory.10

They are coming from far away. My holy Land, not forgotten, it is inscribed onto the palms of My hands. All your children are assembling, flooding back to the Land. So many that the place is too cramped. The nations will bear your sons and daughters in their arms. None who look to Me will be disappointed. 11

You will go out with joy, be led forth in peace. The Land and trees will be joyful and thriving. I, the Lord, will provide for their needs.12

He who makes Me his refuge will possess the Land. Peace for all, both far and near, I shall heal Israel, says the Lord. The Lords people, set free, will come back in triumph. Gladness and joy will come upon them and suffering and sorrow will flee away. 13

A spirit from on high is sent upon us. Justice and righteousness in the Land, His people are living happy and peaceful. 14

I am Almighty God, for My sake, I will wipe out your transgressions. Israel, never forget Me.15 You are My witnesses, My servants, chosen by Me. Trust Me and know that I am your God.16 The Lord will make a new Covenant with Israel.17

Buildings will be restored, rebuilt on ancient foundations. If you keep the Commandments, then you will find joy in the Lord and the Land of your father, Jacob, will be yours to enjoy.18 Others will serve you, while you become priests of the Lord, and will enjoy the wealth of the nations.19 Ref: REB. Verses abridged.



1/ Isaiah 49:5-6 – The Redemption, Restoration and Rejoining of all Israel: now every true Christian, by descent or grafted in by reason of righteousness. Galatians 3:26-29, Deuteronomy 30:1-10, Jeremiah 31:7-9, Ezekiel 37:1-28, Acts 26:6-7, Ephesians 2:11-18

2/ Isaiah 4:3-6 - All of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, but a remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 21:4, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 7:34, Zephaniah 1:18, Micah 5:11, Jeremiah 4:26-28, Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:4, Zechariah 13:8-9

3/ Isaiah 30:26a – A Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun, literally fulfilling all the many prophesies about this forthcoming Day of the Lord’s wrath. Deut. 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalms 97:3-5, Malachi 4:1,3, Jer. 25:33, Rev. 6:12-17

4/ Isaiah 10:20-21 – The Lord promises protection for His people and all who call upon His Name, on that Day. Joel 3:16, Isaiah 26:20-21, Zeph.2:3, Zech.9:15-16, Prov. 3:25-26

5/ Isaiah 11:11-13 – The exile punishment of the 12 tribes of Judah, the Jews and Israel, scattered among the Western nations, will be completed. Isaiah 40:1-2, 2 Chronicles 6:36-39, Jeremiah 29:13-14

6/ Isaiah 41:1-10 - They will re-join and gather at the place of judgement in preparation to enter the holy Land. Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 27:12-13, Amos 3:9

7/ Isaiah 65:9-12- Those judged righteous will take possession of the holy Land, Those who forsake the Lord will die. Ezekiel 20:37-38, Jeremiah 5:26, Isaiah 1:25, Isa. 10:17-22

8/ Isaiah 62:10, Isaiah 40:1-3, Isaiah 43:19-21 – The Lord’s people will march into the Land with great joy and thanksgiving. Psalms 68:7-9 & 19-27, Isaiah 42:16, Isaiah 40:26-31

9/ Isaiah 54:7-10 – The punishment by exile for Israel and Judah was for a decreed period. Now the Lord will make a new Covenant with them. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 11:26-28, Hebrews 8:10-17

10/ Isaiah 60:1-9, Isaiah 49:8-23 – His Christian people, brought into the holy Land, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Many millions; all true believers in the Lord. Isaiah 66:18-20, Zechariah 10:8-10, Micah 7:11-12, Isaiah 49:1-23

11/ Isaiah 49:14-21 - The Lord did [will] devastate and depopulate all the Holy Land, but now it is too small for all My righteous people. Psalms 83, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Micah 7:11-13, Rev.7:9

12/ Isaiah 55:12-13, Isaiah 41:17 – The Lord will send rain and the Land will be regenerated. He will provide food and water in plenty. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Isa. 35:1-2, Psalms 68:7-10

13/ Isaiah 57:13 & 19 At the present time, Judah has possession of a part of the holy Land, but soon all the Lord’s Christian people will live in all their heritage in peace and prosperity. Hosea 2:14-23, Psalms 69:22-36, Ezekiel 28:24-26, Revelation 7:9-10

14/ Isaiah 32:15-16, Isaiah 51:11, Isaiah 35:10 - God’s Spirit is sent onto His people. The Lord will heal them spiritually and physically. Psalms 126:1-5, Psalms 147:2-3, Isaiah 30:26b, Isaiah 44:1-5, Ezekiel 11:19-20, Ezekiel 37:1-14, Acts 2:17-21

15/ Isaiah 44:22 – Their sins are forgiven. 1 Kings 8:46-52, Psalms 79:8-9, Micah 7:18, Hosea 14:1-7, John 1:29, Hebrews 8:12

16/ Isaiah 43:10-11 – All this will happen in the end times, before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign. They will be ‘a light to the nations’ and will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7

17/ Isaiah 59:21 – The Mosaic Covenant is superseded by a New Covenant. Jer. 31:31-34, Jer. 32:36-41, Hosea 2:19-23, Ephesians 2:15, Hebrews 8:7-13

18/ Isaiah 58:12-14 – They will build a new Temple on Mt Zion. Ezekiel 40-44, Haggai 2:6-9, Zechariah 1:16-17, Zech. 6:15, Zech. 8:9, 2 Thess. 2:3-4, Revelation 11:1

19/ Isaiah 61:5-6 – Amazing promises of God to His people in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:18b-24, Hosea 14:4-7, Psalms 102:15-22, Colossians 1:11-12

 

[keras]

The Redemption of the Nazarenes

Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord, a sweeping whirlwind, coming down onto the heads of the wicked. The Lord’s anger will not be turned aside, it will accomplish His purposes.
In days to come, you will understand. Deuteronomy 29:4, Isaiah 35:5, Isaiah 48:6-8

Jeremiah 31:1-40 At that time, I shall be the God of all the families of Israel and they will be My people, a people that have escaped the sword and found favour in the wilderness. From afar God will appear to His people. 2 Thess. 1:10. He loves and cares for them and will build them up again, for a Day will come when the watchmen cry out on the hills of Ephraim: Come, let us go up Zion, unto the Lord our God. Once again, they will be happy and the Land will be fruitful. They will worship God in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 20:34-36

The Lord says: be joyful for Jacob’s sake, sing praises and say- God has saved His people, He has preserved a remnant of Israel. See how He brings them from all parts of the earth, among them the blind and the lame, women and children. A vast company, they come with weeping and prayer, God will comfort and escort them. He will lead them by streams of water, on smooth paths, for He is the Father to Israel and Ephraim is His eldest son. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 62:10-12

Listen to the Word of the Lord, you nations, make it known to people far away. He who scattered Israel, will gather them again and will watch over them as a shepherd watches over his flock. For God has redeemed Jacob [now every true Christian] and delivered them from their enemies. His righteous people will come with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:14-15,

Rachel weeps for her children. [Rachel is the mother of Jacob/ Israel] Shed no more tears, for they will leave the nations and return to their own Land. God has disciplined Ephraim, like an unruly bull calf. After Ephraim strayed, he repented and now in shame and remorse; reproaches himself for the sins of his youth. God says: Ephraim is still My dear son, in whom I delight and I still remember him and have compassion for him. Hosea 11:8-9 Set up signs to mark your way, the path for your return. [The dolmen cairns across Europe] Come back virgin Israel to your towns. How long will you wander, My wayward child? Deuteronomy 4:26, Isaiah 63:17-19, Ezekiel 4:4-6, John 7:35
This will happen: a woman will protect a man. Judges 5:7

The Lord says: When I bring My people back from exile, from all parts of the world, they will live in all the Land and be satisfied. Once more will these words be heard in the Land; God bless you, the home of righteousness, the holy mountain. Ezekiel 39:27

The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will plant Israel and Judah then increase their people and livestock. In the past My intent was to uproot and inflict disaster upon them, now I shall watch over them, to build and plant. Micah 7:11-12, Ezekiel 36:8

It will no longer be said that children will suffer for their parents sins. Only those who sin will be punished for it. Ezekiel 18:20

The days are coming when I shall establish a new covenant with Israel and Judah. It will not be like the one that I made with their forefathers, when I took them out of Egypt, that covenant they broke, though I was patient with them. This will be the new Covenant that I will make with the whole House of Israel, in the latter days; I shall set My Law within them, in their hearts, all of them will know and obey Me. I will forgive and forget their wrongdoing. Ezekiel 37:26, Hebrews 8:6-12

The Lord says: As the sun and stars are set in their courses, as the wind and the sea roars- only if this fixed order changes, only then: could Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me. Micah 7:19-20, Isaiah 14:1-2, Hosea 2:18-23

The days are coming when Jerusalem will be rebuilt in My honour. It will be holy to Me, never again to be demolished. Isaiah 58:12, Micah 7:11, Jeremiah 30:18
Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

‘A scorching wind, a sweeping whirlwind that will destroy the wicked’ - This is the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17 and Isaiah 30:26a – a massive sunstrike that will affect all the world. Malachi 4:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7

‘God will save His people. At that time…a people will escape the Sword’ – The Lord’s righteous people will be protected on that Day. Isaiah 30:26b, Joel 2:32, Psalms 23:4

‘The Redemption of the Nazarenes’– In Jeremiah 31:6, the word translated ‘watchmen’ is ‘nazar’, meaning to set apart, to consecrate and dedicate for sacred purposes. [ref: Strongs H5144] It is the root word for Nazareth and disciples of Jesus were and still can be, known as Nazarenes. Acts 24:5 So it will be all the righteous Christian believers who will gather and go to live in the Promised Land. Colossians 1:9-20, Psalms 37:29

‘He who scattered Israel, will gather them again. His righteous people, will leave the nations and come, with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. They will worship their God in Jerusalem’. – This is the great promise of the redemption of all God’s people, that is; all true believing Christians, who will come to live in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in peace and prosperity. They will build the 3rd Temple and worship God similar to the ancient days. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 40 to 48. God made unconditional promises to the Patriarchs and their descendants remain mostly scattered around the world. Amos 9:9, Ezekiel 34:5+11-16. They are now ‘a vast company’, who now constitute a high proportion of the population in the Western/Christian nations. Their right to ownership of the holy Land will be proven when the title deed in Jeremiah 32:14 is found. But we are told very clearly in the Bible: those with true faith will share the Blessings promised to Abraham. Galatians 3:6-9 & 26-29, Isaiah 56:1-8, John 10:16

‘It will no longer be said: the children will suffer for their parents sins’. - The sins of the forefathers are paid for by our long exile among the nations. Isaiah 27:7-9, Isaiah 40:1-2

‘the Holy mountain’ – the Temple mount. The 3rd Temple will be built and thank offerings made in it, before the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Zechariah 8:9

The great end times story:
This prophecy from the book of the prophet Jeremiah, tells the story of how God will punish the unrighteous by a fire judgement, then how His righteous people will go to live in all of the holy Land. All who by faith, that believe in God and Jesus will receive salvation. John 3:16-18

He will make a new covenant with them, in order for His people: Nazarene Christians, from every race and language, to fulfil their destiny to be “a light to the nations”, and to spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. This will be carried out by the 144,000 selected in Jerusalem. Revelation 14:1-7 The precedent to this is in Luke 10:1-20. Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 66:19

God’s people will live in peace and prosperity, in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of that area promised to Abraham so long ago. Genesis 15:18, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Joel 2:23-27

When they are settled and prosperous, the Lord will motivate a Northern confederation to come and attack Beulah, Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 39:1-2.

They will be totally wiped out by the Lord, Ezekiel 38:21-22, Ezekiel 39:3-5, Joel 2:20. This is in order to display His glory and power to all the nations. Ezekiel 38:23, Ezekiel 39:21

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will slowly recover from the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Day of the Lord’s wrath and they will form a One World Government, initially controlled by ten Presidents, but another will rise to take dictatorial powers. He will make a seven year peace treaty with Beulah, that not all the people agree with. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32, Isaiah 28:14-15

This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age. At the middle of this time, the World Dictator takes over Beulah, Zech. 14:1-2, Rev elation 13:7, and forcibly sits in the Temple. Daniel 11:31, 2 Thessalonians 2:4

This triggers the 3½ year Great Tribulation, the trumpet and bowl judgements. Those Christians who refused any dealings with the ‘beast’, or his mark, as in Revelation 13, are taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 1260 days later, will come the culmination of this age – the physical Return of Jesus, Zechariah 14:6-11, Rev. 19:11-21.

He will destroy the armies mustered for battle in Armageddon. Revelation 16:16, Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Then, He will reign for 1000 years. Great will be that time!

 

[eclipsenow]

Do you really expect people to read umpteen posts in a row when you're a false prophet?

You didn't say you had worked out an interpretation. You said you were the Lord's humble servant, had a message in the Holy Lands in 2010, and it was all from God.

And now you've backed down on the date.

As I predicted you would! (Oh the irony!)

Not that I'm claiming to be an inspired prophet and any who disagree with me are swines.... Even people with PhDs in this stuff! Foolish swines!

I wouldn't dream of that level of arrogance.

 

[keras]

Do you really expect people to read umpteen posts in a row when you're a false prophet?

I promote what the real Prophets have told us. Read them.
Obviously, my guesses can be wrong, but your name calling is rude and unchristian.

What you do is exactly what Jesus warned would happen to those who promote the truths of Prophecy; Matthew 7:6

 

[eclipsenow]

I promote what the real Prophets have told us. Read them.

Sorry but Deuteronomy warned us to look out for people declaring they had a message from God - and that they were even MORE OBVIOUSLY not from God if their urgent, repeated, superior warnings turned out to be false.

Denying you behaved like that for years around a timetable you have now dumped is untrue and unChristian. It's my DUTY to warn readers about this.

 

[keras]

Sorry but Deuteronomy warned us to look out for people declaring they had a message from God - and that they were even MORE OBVIOUSLY not from God if their urgent, repeated, superior warnings turned out to be false.

Denying you behaved like that for years around a timetable you have now dumped is untrue and unChristian. It's my DUTY to warn readers about this.

How can you say I am false prophet, when I do not make Prophesies? I have shown how we are now nearly at the end of this Church age and shown how some Prophesies can be fulfilled.
What you are doing is rejecting everything I post, whether or not my comments or the Prophetic Word.

Just nasty, vindictive stuff, which rebounds badly on yourself.

We all know that the world simply cannot continue as it is for much longer. Some kind of dramatic event is surely near and coming fast! Ezekiel 30:3
We Bible believers have an inside track on what the Creator has planned for our future. We can know what will happen and it cannot be right to ignore and reject all, or any of the Prophesies.

 

[eclipsenow]

How can you say I am false prophet, when I do not make Prophesies?

Keras,
I'M USUALLY BORED WITH ALL THIS
Normally when I see yet another end-times-table, I might chat to the person for a moment - but then I get bored and walk on by. It’s not worth it. We are pattern recognising creatures - and there are just so many thousand permutations of end-times-table people can ‘see’ if they go looking. Generally it says more about the person than the bible itself - showing who they see as ‘the enemy’ they want to cast as the AntiChrist in these Last Days (2000 years and counting!)

ON A MISSION FROM GOD
What made yours stand out was your very “Blues Brothers” vibe. It’s almost like you quoted them saying “We’re on a mission from God!” I was concerned that this undermined the classic Reformers Sola Scriptura - and could be the start of yet another end-times-cult! EG:-

"I am just a humble servant of the Most High God. He gave me a task: to promote what His prophets wrote so long ago, because what they wrote then, is about to happen soon. I know this, because in 2010, when I was in the Holy Land; I received a vision from the Lord and inspiration to do this."​

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations​

YET I GOT TO KNOW YOU
That is what sparked my interest. Yet in the conversations we've had since then, I know you to be a gospel Christian. So I'm less concerned about the cult factor - even though I remain concerned about the disillusionment factor with younger Christians that might read your blog.

If they take it seriously, and then it doesn't pan out as described - they're going to wonder what else might be wrong with this worldview they've taken on from their parents or community?

I've seen it happen.
Many times!

JERUSALEM SYNDROME
I warned you about Jerusalem Syndrome - which can give religious people a sort of sensory overdose and wig them out a bit. I tried to show you how Jesus said we cannot know the day or hour, and that his other statements in Matt 24 about seeing things and running from them were not about escaping the Last Day (which is impossible!) but the predictable, observable rise of the Romans against Jerusalem. THAT is something many COULD and DID predict - and run from!


PERFECT CONFIDENCE - AND EVERYONE ELSE IS A SWINE!
Anyway, when challenged like that you said:

You said: “I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world, ready for the lead up to His glorious Return. I doesn't take great Biblical qualifications to know what God has planned, in fact such learning is a hindrance to finding the truth. And don't ask me when, as you would do what Jesus said will happen in: Matthew 7:6“​

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations​

VISION FROM THE LORD + PERFECT CONFIDENCE
Your every utterance was so “HOLY” and so “PERFECT” that if anyone questioned it you were reluctant to share, because it was like casting pearls before swine! How wonderful for you - the Lord’s “humble servant” - that you get to carry around such pearls - and so humbly!

Yet according to this vision...
“2020 AD + 9.5 = 2029.5 AD Exactly 2000 years for the present Church age” -
The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Subtract the AOD’s 3.5 years = AOD Jan next year!
But that requires a temple, hey? And it’s already 29th April - getting close!

Oh - wait - Keras has just ‘tweaked’ his VISION! Everyone - don’t worry - we've got more time. There's been a postponement of the end times! Now we are all to climb aboard the time-table 2.0 train!

Why? How does he know? It's a pattern he sees! It's so obvious! If we all just read every one of this posts we'll see it too. If we squint a certain way at the text - almost like looking at one of those psychiatrist's Rorschach tests. (See Footnote 1). Like every other pattern-seeing-end-timer following their own intuitions and presuppositions to draw up their own end times tables!

MY COMFORT IS IN THE SCRIPTURES AND THE LORD
The Lord will return one day. But we don’t know when. We cannot know when. Both he and the Apostle Paul told us we will not know when! It could be in 5 seconds or 50,000 years.

It’s a wry observation I have that given how utterly obsessed end-timers are with trying to predict the Lord’s return, there will be one futurist that at least got the year and maybe even the month right! But the count-down will be funny to discuss after the event. The literal reading of symbolic writing will be amusing once we are safely in paradise. A literal Antichrist and two witnesses and all that jazz? Giant grasshoppers? It will be worthy of a good belly laugh once end-timers finally slow down and get to know the genre.

It’s like reading the Psalm that says “the trees of the field will clap their hands” and thinking we’ve discovered ENTS in the bible!

FOOTNOTE 1
(Personally when I look at Rorschach tests I always see Batman... but each to his own I guess.)

 

[keras]

It will be worthy of a good belly laugh once end-timers finally slow down and get to know the genre.

It will be a sad day when the Lord takes action and His own peoples fail to understand any of it and may lose their faith because what they fondly imagined doesn't happen, or are so shocked and terrified, they renounce God.
Isaiah 42:18-20 Who is so blind as My servants....Hear you deaf and look you blind, that you may see and understand.

(Personally when I look at Rorschach tests I always see Batman... but each to his own I guess.)

Whatever you do - don't call upon Batman for help on the Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath!

 

[eclipsenow]

It will be a sad day when the Lord takes action and His own peoples fail to understand any of it

It will be a sad day if I ever abandoned good biblical reading for your eisegesis hot-pot smorgasbord of verses plucked out of context to look like a B-Grade Sci-Fi novel!

and may lose their faith

Because they believed your failing end-times table and then it didn't happen.

You've already 'amended' a 'vision' from the Lord once.

Now you just assume you are right - and dish up a circular argument based on ... you being right?

I don't think I expected better - but it's still disappointing to see the circular logic here.

on the Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath!

I think I'm getting PTSD from hearing this trite phrase to describe a trite CME - when the ACTUAL day of the Lord will be so much worse! The Lord himself will return to the horror of all those who do not trust him!

12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.​

​

15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”​

Why did the kings cry out like that? Why did they not say "Oh my - look what the sun just did - there goes my superannuation plans up in smoke?"

If you bothered to read outside of your own echo-chamber, you would learn a few things:

WAR: Most of the 'firey day' OT verses you pluck out of context are about warfare. The literal fires of war.

REGIME CHANGE: The heaven's shaking etc is a common OT prophetic symbol for massive geopolitical changes - kingdoms rising or falling.

MASSIVE RELATIONSHIP STATUS CHANGE WITH GOD: Acts 2 uses some of this language to describe Jesus death and resurrection. Note that Peter was explaining why the Apostles were speaking in other languages (than the formal Hebrew they should have been speaking in to discuss religious matters.) They were accused of being drunk - but instead explained that Jesus had fulfilled these 'heavens shaking' prophecies from Joel. THEN AND THERE - in the death and resurrection of Jesus - we had darkness in the middle of the day and a few of the dead rose. Peter unpacks that as the stuff of Joel. Go look if you don't believe me!
EG: Acts 2 shows that Peter understood Jesus death and resurrection fulfilled Joel - and was speaking about the amazing

 

[keras]

this trite phrase to describe a trite CME

What Joel describes is far from 'trite'-
Joel 1:15 The day is near, the Day of the Lord: it comes as a mighty destruction from Almighty God.

Joel 2:1-5 Blow the trumpet in Israel, sound the alarm in Jerusalem. Let all who live in the Land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming – it is close at hand. A Day of darkness and clouds. Like [at] the dawn, an innumerable host comes across the land, such as never was and will never be again. A fire goes before them, leaving wasteland behind. With a great noise they leap mountains and consume everything to stubble.

Joel 2:6-11 At the sight of them, all the nations are in anguish. They march in line, none swerving against any defence. They rush upon cities and enter houses through the windows. The earth quakes and the sky is darkened. The Lord thunders at the head of His army, beyond number are those who obey His command. The Day of the Lord is great and dreadful, who can endure it?

Joel 1:6-12 & 19-20 this invading host destroys trees and crops. Fire has burnt the pastures and trees. All the streams have dried up.
The Day of the Lord, as described by Joel is not Armageddon, at the Return of Jesus or at the Great White Throne judgement. It is plainly an event before then, also prophesied in Isaiah 2:12-21, Revelation 6:12-17, Ezekiel 7:2-14: + and in over 100 other Bible Prophesies.

Joel uses the metaphor of an army to describe how this destruction moves across the earth as it rotates- ‘with the dawn’. As nations turn to face the sun, the effects of a Coronal Mass Ejection- sunstrike will hit them. Initially, it will strike the earth as a light flash [Isaiah 30:26a] within 8 minutes, then the highly charged cosmic particles arrive about 24 hours later, causing immense destruction and deaths. Fires and volcanic eruptions will result in smoke and ash clouds, covering the sky. Isaiah 29:5-6, Psalms 18:7-15, Jeremiah 4:23-28

It will be an event ‘such has never been and will never be again; NOT caused by man.

Judah [the current State of Israel] will be badly affected- Hosea 8:14, Ezekiel 20:45-48, Isaiah 4:3-4, Zephaniah 1:1-18
And the Lord’s enemies: Isaiah 22:5-14, Psalms 83:1-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, Jeremiah 12:14

Deuteronomy 32:34-43 says how He will act when His enemies ‘foot will slip”. That is they make a mistake. That mistake will be their instigating an attack against Israel.

Malachi 4:1-3 Surely the day of the Lord is coming, it will burn like a furnace. All the evildoers will be as stubble, they will be burned up. They will be ashes under your feet. But for you, who revere My Name, righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. You will rejoice and prevail over the wicked on the Day that I act against them.

THEN the many prophecies that describe the migration of all true believers into the Promised Land will come to pass. This great exodus of His faithful Christian people will fulfil the promises that God made to the Patriarchs and they will, at last be a people that will be a ‘light to the nations’. They will prepare themselves and the world for the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel 35:11-30, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Deuteronomy 30:1-10, Zechariah 10:6-12, Isaiah 46:27-28, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Zephaniah 10:6-12

That Jesus is not yet present at this time, is clear from the many verses saying: ‘You will know that I am the Lord, when... And how it ‘will be as in the days of Egypt’.
Ezekiel 14:6-11, Ezekiel 39:22, Joel 2:27, Isaiah 41:20.
Reference: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged

 

[keras]

Truths of the Final Age:
2 Timothy 3:1-17 Remember, the final age of this world is to be a time of turmoil! People will love nothing but self and money, they will be boastful, arrogant and abusive. Disobedient to parents, devoid of gratitude, piety and natural affection. They will be uncontrolled in their violence, hating all goodness, perfidious, foolhardy and self important. They will love their pleasures more than their God. While preserving the outward form of religion, actually, they deny its power. Have nothing to do with them.

Persecution will indeed come to everyone who wants to lead a godly life as a follower of Christ Jesus, while evil doers and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But for your part, stand by the truths you have learned and are assured of, because you are familiar with the Holy scriptures which have the power to make you wise and lead you into salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

All inspired scripture has its use for teaching the truth, refuting error and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be capable and equipped for good works of every kind.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 Before God and before Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, I charge you solemnly by His coming appearing and Millennial reign – to proclaim the gospel, press it home, in season and out of season, use argument, reproof and encouragement with all the patience that teaching requires.

For the time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will follow his own ideas and will gather crowds to hear whatever they fancy. They will stop their ears to the truth and turn aside to myths.

But, you must keep your head whatever happens; put up with hardship, work to spread the gospel and discharge all the duties of your calling.

1 Timothy 1:3-11 I asked you, Timothy, to instruct certain people to refrain from teaching erroneous doctrines and devoting themselves to interminable myths and fruitless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculations that do nothing to further God’s plan for humans, that works through faith in Him. The goal of this Command is love, which comes from a pure heart, a good conscience and a genuine faith. Through a lack of these attributes, some have gone astray into a plethora of theories and false notions. They set out to be teachers of the Law, but they do not know what they are talking about or the true meaning of the Word.

We all know the Law is a good thing, if it is used properly, it’s there not just for the righteous, but is necessary for the lawless and sinful, the godless and worldly, the murderers and fornicators, perverts, liars, perjurers, in fact all whose behaviour flouts the glorious Gospel of God.



The end of this era, will be a time of turmoil, Paul may be referring to the Tribulation period, but we have for the last 100 years experienced many wars and disasters. Matt. 24:6-8

Persecution will come to everyone who follows Jesus, Hebrews 12:8 This totally refutes any ‘pre-trib/wrath rapture to heaven’. 1 Peter 4:12 However, the faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety during the Great Tribulation. Revelation 12:14

While preserving the outward form of religion, they deny its power. Many, so called Christian Churches have deviated so far from the true Gospel, they are no longer a Church of God. Isaiah 58, Jude 1-25, Revelation 3:14-22

The time has come when people refuse sound teaching, they believe false theories, ignore, allegorise or place Bible prophecy into past history, so have no proper understanding of what will happen soon. Isaiah:29:13-14, Isaiah 30:8-11

False teachers are more prevalent than ever, promoting their erroneous doctrines. Ministries, TV shows, books, etc, on the end times are a big business. Their judgement comes, false teachers will all meet their end on the Day of wrath. Jer.14:13-16, Isaiah 56:9-12

 

[eclipsenow]

The time has come when people refuse sound teaching, they believe false theories, ignore, allegorise or place Bible prophecy into past history, so have no proper understanding of what will happen soon. Isaiah:29:13-14, Isaiah 30:8-11

And you're the source of sound teaching? See, dude, when you get like this - all superior to everyone else on the list - and yet calling yourself the "Lord's humble servant" - what do you think is going to happen?

It's reality check time.
Rinse and repeat.

Once again I have to remind you that I'm not sceptical of the bible's original prophecies as they pertained to past events, but I am sceptical of you ripping them out of context for your b-grade Sci-Fi novel. I'm not sceptical that there WILL be a Day of the Lord - but I am sceptical of your b-grade Sci-Fi novel.

YOU are the one that wants to read Revelation literally - but YOU are the one that strips back the end of Revelation 6 to a mere solar event and not the actual return of the Lord which the passage clearly shows! Because that would threaten your literalistic linear reading of Revelation. It would undo the whole paradigm you approach Revelation with! It's the end of the world - in Chapter 6! It's the actual RETURN of the Lord! What does that MEAN? It means the book is circular - not a timeline. It's thematic, not a timeline. It's a sermon to suffering people, not a timeline. It revisits themes and not future dates - because it's NOT A TIMELINE!

So when you rinse and repeat exactly the same tired spiritually superior verses judging anyone who disagrees with you - it's my duty to remind you and everyone on this list of a few facts.

More of the world is amil than millennial.
Your version of millennialism is quite bespoke to your own issues stemming from that holiday in the Middle East.

You've been like this for years.
You predicted the AOD would be standing in the temple by Jan next year!
You CLAIMED God told you so!
And now it's too close for comfort and there's still no temple - you have changed the message.

"God told me.... but now ... I'm getting an update.... radio isn't quite tuned to the right frequency.... but trust me - I know more than anyone else here!"

That you still expect to be listened to boggles the imagination!

 

[keras]

You've been like this for years.

And I see no reason to change my beliefs.
What the Prophets have said will happen - will happen. Literally if possible, or figuratively.

It's reality check time.

The reality for you and millions of other clueless people, will come the Day the Lord arises and changes the world. Zephaniah 3:8

Maybe you could focus your attention on how the Lord is going to correct this modern civilization? Remember He has done it before, using water.
I postulated a 4 step plan of redemption in the OP. You have made a good effort to bury that into the muck.
Your scenario is just another Big Bang. like the atheist idiots say about creation.

 

[eclipsenow]

And I see no reason to change my beliefs.

Rinse and repeat.

See - WHY do you think verses about the

Your scenario is just another Big Bang.

?

Why are you misrepresenting the Amil view of the Return of the Lord being Judgement Day, the resurrection of the dead, the salvation of believers, and a NHNE as "just another Big Bang?"

I mean - the universe gets rebooted and upgraded - but it's spoken about in the language of Revelation 21 with the New Jerusalem coming down and covering the whole (known) world.

like the atheist idiots say about creation.

From my own experience I know more theistic evolutionists than literal YEC's - and these days given the increasing science around evolution - I feel increasingly sorry for literal YEC's.

It's not my fault you wouldn't recognise a change in biblical genre if you tripped over it.

 

[keras]

Why are you misrepresenting the Amil view of the Return of the Lord being Judgement Day, the resurrection of the dead, the salvation of believers, and a NHNE

Not misrepresent, just reject that very unscriptural and rather crazy belief.

Because the Prophesies about the glorious Return of Jesus, just do not say those 3 things will happen then.
Jesus only brings the souls of the martyrs killed during the 42 month reign of the beast. They will be brought back to life, in the same way as Lazarus was.

From my own experience I know more theistic evolutionists than literal YEC's - and these days given the increasing science around evolution - I feel increasingly sorry for literal YEC's.

I tend toward theistic evolution, but the Big Bang theory is nonsense.

 

[eclipsenow]

Not misrepresent, just reject that very unscriptural and rather crazy belief.

Because the Prophesies about the glorious Return of Jesus, just do not say those 3 things will happen then.

They do! And more! You're so busy trying to read Revelation literally (except where it suits you to turn a blind eye - like the end of Revelation 6 when the Lord returns!) that you think there's this whole huge timetable to happen.

But there really isn't.

The New Heavens and new Earth are a problem for Millennialists.​

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.”

Again, the day of the Lord comes like a thief. Surprise is just not a thing if he rules for 1000 years first. I'm not the sharpest tool in the box - but even I could figure out that after 1000 years comes NHNE. But here it's a sudden thing.

NHNE returns like a thief in the night just as the Lord himself will return like a thief in the night.
= Same event.

 

[keras]

They do! And more! You're so busy trying to read Revelation literally (except where it suits you to turn a blind eye - like the end of Revelation 6 when the Lord returns!)

Revelation 19:11-21, describes the glorious Return, which will not come unexpectedly and does not come in fire. Matthew 16:27
Revelation 6:12-17 is not the Return of Jesus. It is His Day of vengeance and wrath, when He will not be seen; Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Hab 3:4.
People will be shocked and terrified on that Day. Isaiah 29:5-6

Do you just rip out all that must happen between the Sixth Seal and the Return?

I'm not the sharpest tool in the box

But you're not silly, why believe things that contradict scripture? The NHNE cannot came 'as a thief'. John saw it coming and God said: Now God will dwell with mankind..... Rev 21:3

 

[eclipsenow]

Revelation 19:11-21, describes the glorious Return,

It DOES come unexpectedly because Jesus said THAT DAY comes unexpectedly in Matthew 24 - and it's the language of judgment. Jesus describes the sheer suddenness of his return in number of parables that follow. They all describe horrific judgement, and that sense of missing out because you were not prepared - were not in right relationship with Jesus. The final parable is in Matthew 25 - it's ALL THE SAME EVENT as the THAT DAY of Matthew 24. It's the separation of the sheep and goats. It's all the same event.

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

It's almost the same language!
JESUS.
THRONE.
ANGELS
NATIONS / KINGS, generals, rich, mighty, everyone else - slave and free
JUDGEMENT / WRATH

REVELATION 6
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Are you REALLY, actually, trying to say Revelation 6 is not judgement day because there's no fire?
Oh - except there IS fire - because in the same seal - the very verses YOU like to harp on about being a trite little natural CME - are verses of cosmic change. Of stars falling to the earth. You patronise the biblical authors for not getting the astronomy quite right - I mean these people are pre-scientific barbarians right? You 'correct' the bible for not getting your vision quite right. How dare you! Honestly! I think John would blink at you and wince that you're 'one of those' and just not getting it, and explain the other biblical sources he was quoting.

But you don't want to study all that do you? That might make you one of those 'bible scholars' and oh how you despise the learned!

which will not come unexpectedly and does not come in fire. Matthew 16:27

You are quite happy to cherry-pick all descriptions of SOME kind of 'judgment' - as long as they mention fire - and say they are all about the one day. But you happily ignore all the other indications in many of these passages that might indicate the fires of literal war - and that trying to fit all the other descriptions into the one day would make a real mess of it! (Tents of Cushan, etc.)

Who ever said that EVERY SINGLE verse about THAT DAY must include every SINGLE ingredient on THAT DAY - or it simply must be talking about something else?

Revelation 6 is clearly the return of the Lord. Why? It says so! He returned.

Honestly - do you know how often New Testament authors would quote one line of an Old Testament passage to bring to mind the whole chapter or story? That's what is happening here. It's shorthand. You're being hyper-literalistic when it suits you. That's a form of eisegesis.

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. 28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”​

Absolutely - no fire! Oh - except what else happens when the Lord returns? Oh wow - look at some of the ingredients!?
ANGELS!
JUDGEMENT!
Just as Matthew 24 spells out - when the LORD RETURNS as a secret - not 1000 years AFTER he returns!

AND what's that weird bit at the end that some people would NOT DIE until they saw the Son of Man coming in his kingdom? What does THAT MEAN MR KERAS?

You quoted it! You explain it!
(Oooh - this ought to be good!)

Remember - this is YOUR VERSE!

You are quite happy to acknowledge that when the Lord returns there are ANGELS and there is JUDGEMENT?

It is His Day of vengeance and wrath, when He will not be seen; Psalms 11:4-6,

That will not do! That's a generic description of God's judgement and does not say anything about judgement day! The Psalms are poetic - and the coals of his judgement could represent warfare. That's far more likely than a CME!

Also - just as with Matthew 16:27 above - EVEN IF this was actually referring to THE Judgement Day at the end of time (and there's no evidence that this Psalm is not poetically describing something like God's judgement of Assyria, Babylon, Tyre, Sidon, and a hundred other OT enemies and judgements - both big and small...) - just because it describes ONE PART or element of the Judgment Day does not mean it negates others! What kind of warped theology is that?

If that's the way we argue - I could draw up arguments against say the idea of the Trinity because it was not all spelled out clearly and succinctly in the one chapter! I could argue against MOST doctrines of the bible that way. We often collect data about one event by scanning through the bible to see how different people are describing the one event. Which is why we have to be VERY demanding regarding evidence that it IS describing THAT EVENT - and not another.

So far, Revelation 6 = Judgment Day from the passage itself - and your verse is NIL - because we don't know what it is describing. It's too generic. How do we know the Psalmist didn't have one of the tinier little "...ites" in mind that received all that smiting? You're really stretching!

Psalms 18:11,

Again - generic description of an OT judgement - and the passage actually celebrates God's victory THEN! The Psalmist is celebrating something that happened. Past tense!

We are still left with Revelation ACTUALLY saying the heavens change because the Lord himself is showing up for Judgement Day - and the people cry out in terror at his literal face! Sorry - but why are you intentionally misreading the bible? This really is pearls before ... well ... you know the rest. You've quoted it enough!

Hab 3:4.

For real? That's Habakkuk reiterating the terrifying Mt Sinai appearance of the Lord. Also - no one there thought Mt Sinai was a mere solar event - they knew the Lord had turned up! It's almost blasphemous.

But it's very ignorant. You've ignored the Sinai reference and the escaping Egypt and Africa references. It's the judgement of God - but through an OT lens. It's theologically true - but described in OT terms - without the same clarity of the NT.

Come on Keras - are you even trying?