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Travel in El Salvador is now "safer" than travel in Spain, France, UK, Costa Rica....according to the US Dept of State

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As Bloomberg reported: [via MSNBC]

President Donald Trump’s administration on Tuesday elevated El Salvador’s travel safety designation to the best possible, putting it above countries in Western Europe, before President Nayib Bukele’s visit to the White House next week. ‘Exercise normal precautions in El Salvador,’ the State Department said in its updated travel advisory. ‘Gang activity has decreased over the last three years. This has caused a drop in violent crimes and murders.’
The upgrade to Level 1 puts El Salvador ahead of some more traditional travel destinations for Americans like France, the UK and Italy. They’re all at Level 2, a recommendation to ‘Exercise Increased Caution,’ because of threats from terrorists. Some other nations in Central America, including Panama and Costa Rica, are Level 2, with neighboring Guatemala Level 3, which carries a recommendation to ‘Reconsider Travel.’

Level 1. April 8, 2025
Country Summary: Exercise normal precautions in El Salvador. Gang activity has decreased over the last three years. This has caused a drop in violent crimes and murders.

Notably, US government employees are still prohibited from travel on public buses or travel at night time. I guess that makes it Level 1....with an asterisk. : )

Previously: Level 2 Nov. 8, 2024

 

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While I personally wouldn't be travelling there anytime soon, they have had some noteworthy improvements in their crime rates.

In 2019, the country had a homicide rate of 38 per 100,000 people. By 2023, this rate had dropped to 2.4 per 100,000, and further declined to 1.9 per 100,000 in 2024.

While these measures have been effective in reducing crime, they have also drawn criticism from human rights organizations for alleged abuses, including arbitrary detentions and deaths in custody. Furthermore, some reports suggest that the government may be underreporting homicides by excluding certain deaths, such as those discovered in clandestine graves.


A homicide rate of 1.9 per 100,000 would put it on par with New Hampshire.

So personal safety wise (in terms of risk of getting murdered), it has improved.


But I wouldn't want to travel there for the same reason I wouldn't want to travel to Singapore.

Singapore is incredibly safe in terms of low risk of getting robbed, assaulted or murdered... on the flip side, I don't want to step foot in a country that will give me a $1000 fine and cane me because I chewed gum or accidentally let a cuss word slip in public.
 
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Presumably this is to make deportations to an unsafe country easier.

I suspect it's a reward for the Salvadoran government's cooperation with the Trump administration. The Salvadoran government can market their "Level 1" Dept of State rating for tourism etc.
 
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As Bloomberg reported: [via MSNBC]




Level 1. April 8, 2025
Country Summary: Exercise normal precautions in El Salvador. Gang activity has decreased over the last three years. This has caused a drop in violent crimes and murders.

Notably, US government employees are still prohibited from travel on public buses or travel at night time. I guess that makes it Level 1....with an asterisk. : )

Previously: Level 2 Nov. 8, 2024

It's amazing what happens to crime rates when laws are enforced and criminals are thrown into prison. Perhaps Europe should learn a thing or two.
 
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It's amazing what happens to crime rates when laws are enforced and criminals are thrown into prison. Perhaps Europe should learn a thing or two.

Why not the USA? Imprisioning people based on a tatoo with no due process sounds wonderful eh?
 
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As Bloomberg reported: [via MSNBC]




Level 1. April 8, 2025
Country Summary: Exercise normal precautions in El Salvador. Gang activity has decreased over the last three years. This has caused a drop in violent crimes and murders.

Notably, US government employees are still prohibited from travel on public buses or travel at night time. I guess that makes it Level 1....with an asterisk. : )

Previously: Level 2 Nov. 8, 2024

Soon the opening of a Trump hotel?
 
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While I personally wouldn't be travelling there anytime soon, they have had some noteworthy improvements in their crime rates.

In 2019, the country had a homicide rate of 38 per 100,000 people. By 2023, this rate had dropped to 2.4 per 100,000, and further declined to 1.9 per 100,000 in 2024.

While these measures have been effective in reducing crime, they have also drawn criticism from human rights organizations for alleged abuses, including arbitrary detentions and deaths in custody. Furthermore, some reports suggest that the government may be underreporting homicides by excluding certain deaths, such as those discovered in clandestine graves.


A homicide rate of 1.9 per 100,000 would put it on par with New Hampshire.

So personal safety wise (in terms of risk of getting murdered), it has improved.
A homocide rate falling THAT quickly? That cannot a reflection of increased safety. That would be an unnatural change so fast.

Although, I guess in reading, it sounds like if you just suspend rights, maybe it's easier to deal with.

It seems crazy to me. But it IS nice to read about people being able to live in less fear and travel in neighbourhood and just feel safer...whether the numbers are TECHNICALLY as low as that, or not.


But I wouldn't want to travel there for the same reason I wouldn't want to travel to Singapore.

Singapore is incredibly safe in terms of low risk of getting robbed, assaulted or murdered... on the flip side, I don't want to step foot in a country that will give me a $1000 fine and cane me because I chewed gum or accidentally let a cuss word slip in public.
I spent a day in Singapore on an 8hr stopover from Seoul to Amsterdam (no, it's NOT on the way...)
I gotta say that it was pretty underwhelming. I did research beforehand to figure out what we were gonna do...and there was nothing cultural that really jumped out at me (an old rose garden).

So instead my wife and Iwent to a waterpark (Wild, Wild Wet) for 4 hours. To this DAY it was the BEST layover decision I've EVER made. It made it easier to sit still again for a 13hr flight.

It was VERY easy to not chew gum or cuss. I'm not sure why that would be so hard...and these days, I cuss like a SAILOR.
 
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Not only that but tattoos worn by people with zero connection to Venezuela let alone gangs.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that gang members don't have Moms and Dads?

Gay Venezuelan stylist sent to Salvadoran prison after a disgraced cop's report

There, Torres questioned Hernandez and filled out questionnaires suggesting the asylum-seeker’s tattoos, including a crown on either wrist next to the words “Dad” and “Mom,” linked him to Tren de Aragua.
 
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A homocide rate falling THAT quickly? That cannot a reflection of increased safety. That would be an unnatural change so fast.

Although, I guess in reading, it sounds like if you just suspend rights, maybe it's easier to deal with.

It seems crazy to me. But it IS nice to read about people being able to live in less fear and travel in neighbourhood and just feel safer...whether the numbers are TECHNICALLY as low as that, or not.

There is speculation that there may be some under-reporting happening, but it would have to be an epic conspiracy to cover up a false undercount of that degree.

I suspect that the strict quasi police state measures are part of it.

Per the AP:

Under the special emergency powers granted to that administration (which suspended the need for things like warrants, and gave police something of a "try me and watch what happens" level of power), they did rid the streets of a lot of gang members (and send several others into hiding)

In a matter of months, 83,000 gang members were thrown into prisons down there (or executed). In a country of 6.9 million people, you can see how that would have a swift impact on the numbers.

To kind of overlay that on US-equivalent numbers.

Los Angeles county is home to about 9 million people, and according to the DOJ, an estimated 110,000 gang members (or gang associates)

So ratio-wise, very similar.

Imagine that a new governor of Cali comes in, magically got sweeping powers, and says "I'm tired of all this warrant/having to wait catch them in the act/court stuff...we know who the gang members are, we know where they live, we're squashing this now", and in a matter of 2 months, 90,000 of those gang members got raided, scooped up and sent to jail (or died in shootouts with national guard)


LA's murder rate would probably plummet as well, just not in an ethical way because the El Salvador approach has been to basically negate warrants and suspend all due process.
It was VERY easy to not chew gum or cuss. I'm not sure why that would be so hard...and these days, I cuss like a SAILOR.
I just used those as an example...

There's a litany of other draconian laws Singapore has that gives me 0 interest in spending any of my money over there.

Executing people for marijuana infractions, fining people hefty amounts if they happen to forget to flush a public toilet (they go as far as installing urine sensors to help enforce that), getting arrested for PDA under their "Miscellaneous Decency Offenses" law, etc. (pretty sure they were still arresting people for "homosexual acts" as recently as 2-3 years ago)

Obviously, I could behave myself while in another country, but the point is that I don't want to give them any of my money if those are the kinds of things they're doing.
 
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There is speculation that there may be some under-reporting happening, but it would have to be an epic conspiracy to cover up a false undercount of that degree.

I suspect that the strict quasi police state measures are part of it.

Per the AP:

Under the special emergency powers granted to that administration (which suspended the need for things like warrants, and gave police something of a "try me and watch what happens" level of power), they did rid the streets of a lot of gang members (and send several others into hiding)

In a matter of months, 83,000 gang members were thrown into prisons down there (or executed). In a country of 6.9 million people, you can see how that would have a swift impact on the numbers.

To kind of overlay that on US-equivalent numbers.

Los Angeles county is home to about 9 million people, and according to the DOJ, an estimated 110,000 gang members (or gang associates)

So ratio-wise, very similar.

Imagine that a new governor of Cali comes in, magically got sweeping powers, and says "I'm tired of all this warrant/having to wait catch them in the act/court stuff...we know who the gang members are, we know where they live, we're squashing this now", and in a matter of 2 months, 90,000 of those gang members got raided, scooped up and sent to jail (or died in shootouts with national guard)


LA's murder rate would probably plummet as well, just not in an ethical way because the El Salvador approach has been to basically negate warrants and suspend all due process.
Yeah, I read about that too in the AP.

It certainly could explain a big dip; I have no idea what those prisons look like. Obviously, I am no fan of lost civil rights and i DO hope innocent people get theri day in court (WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY sooner than this). But again...it must feel really wonderful to feel safe in your neighbourhood.


I just used those as an example...

There's a litany of other draconian laws Singapore has that gives me 0 interest in spending any of my money over there.

Executing people for marijuana infractions, fining people hefty amounts if they happen to forget to flush a public toilet (they go as far as installing urine sensors to help enforce that), getting arrested for PDA under their "Miscellaneous Decency Offenses" law, etc. (pretty sure they were still arresting people for "homosexual acts" as recently as 2-3 years ago)

Obviously, I could behave myself while in another country, but the point is that I don't want to give them any of my money if those are the kinds of things they're doing.
If was travelling for hte purposes of broadenning my horizons, I wouldn't necessarily use that as a consideration as to where I go, but I can understand why people make my choice. I have heard some really unbelievably WONDERFUL things about travelling in Pakistan and I don't think that isn't a govt. I would support at all

I wouldn't go to Singapore cause it's kinda boring.
 
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