Gods Words Are Clear, The Deception Used To Deceive The World Into Taking The Mark And Image Worship Is Fire Called From Heaven By The False Prophet

[Douggg]

No not Jerusalem, close.

Jerusalem is the fig tree because as Jesus and the disciples were entering Jerusalem the week Jesus would be crucified, Jesus cursed a fig tree on the way to entering the city because it bore no fruit. Symbolic of the city of Jerusalem of that generation produced no spiritual fruit as it rejected Jesus as their king and messiah.


Matthew 21:
18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!


A few verses further down, Jesus told the religious leaders that the kingdom of God would be taken from them, because they would reject him, verse 42, and that the kingdom of God would be given to another generation, verse 43, that would produce fruit.


42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[Truth7t7]

Agreed. Anybody who can’t see that in my opinion is in blind delusion. I have never heard so much nonsense in all my life as Preterist theory.

Still doesn’t change the fact that the elect have seen what you say has not taken place.

I Disagree, Daniel's Abomination of desolation and the great tribulation are future events unfulfilled

Matthew Chapter 24 is showing a future generation that will witness the signs and second coming

 

[Truth7t7]

Generation as used in the parable of the fig tree refers to from birth to death - because that generation will not pass away, i.e. die off - before all the things that Jesus spoke of regarding His return are fulfilled.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

"This Generation" will be a future generation that will be living to witness the second coming of Jesus in the heavens

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is dedicated to the second coming

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Generation as used in the parable of the fig tree refers to from birth to death - because that generation will not pass away, i.e. die off - before all the things that Jesus spoke of regarding His return are fulfilled.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

You're not addressing my point, Douggg. Unless you want to come across as a dishonest person who goes out of his way to invent his own definitions for words just to get scripture to fit his doctrine, then you should be willing to provide evidence that one of the definitions of the word generation is the average human lifespan. So, what evidence do you have from either a Bible dictionary, from a Hebrew or Greek resource or from scripture which gives a definition of a generation as being the average human lifespan?

Another problem with how you interpret that verse is that you turn "THIS generation" into "THAT generation". Another case of twisting scripture to fit your doctrine. Since Jesus referred to "THIS generation", it has to be a generation which existed at that time. Preterists understand that and that's why they interpret it the way they do. But, both futurists like you and preterists don't understand that Jesus was not even using the word generation (Greek: genea) in terms of time in that verse. The word has multiple definitions, one of which is race. He was saying that the Jewish race would not pass away before He returned.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Jerusalem is the fig tree because as Jesus and the disciples were entering Jerusalem the week Jesus would be crucified, Jesus cursed a fig tree on the way to entering the city because it bore no fruit. Symbolic of the city of Jerusalem of that generation produced no spiritual fruit as it rejected Jesus as their king and messiah.


Matthew 21:
18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!


A few verses further down, Jesus told the religious leaders that the kingdom of God would be taken from them, because they would reject him, verse 42, and that the kingdom of God would be given to another generation, verse 43, that would produce fruit.


42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Doug, there is no direct relation between Jesus cursing the fig tree and Matthew 24:32. You're not looking at the context of Matthew 24:32, which has nothing to do with Israel, but rather has to do with the timing of His return.

After talking about His return occurring after the tribulation of those days, Jesus said this:

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Where is Israel referenced here in any way, shape or form? Nowhere. What is being referenced here instead? The timing of Jesus's return. Jesus indicated that just as we know summer is near when leaves start to grow on a fig tree, we also can know that His coming is near when we see the things He talked about taking place. That's it. The point would've been the same if He referenced any kind of tree there. There is nothing about Israel there at all in the context of what He was saying. You are seeing two verses that both refer to a fig tree and deciding that they must be related, but that is not how to interpret scripture. You have to look at the context of each verse to see if they are directly related and the context of each of those verses that reference a fig tree is not the same.

 

[Douggg]

Another problem with how you interpret that verse is that you turn "THIS generation" into "THAT generation".

I was not changing the text. When I used "that" generation, I pointing out the generation Jesus was referring to the parable of the fig tree.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What do you think "shall not pass" means ?

It means shall not die off.

Obviously, "this generation", Jesus did not mean his particular generation, which were alive at the time he was speaking, because Jesus did not return 2000 years ago, nor did the great tribulation take place back then.

So, what evidence do you have from either a Bible dictionary, from a Hebrew or Greek resource or from scripture which gives a definition of a generation as being the average human lifespan?

"generation" as used in verse 34 is not used in isolation, but in conjunction with "shall not pass". A generation, a group of humans, begins by being born, and ends by dying.

 

[Douggg]

Doug, there is no direct relation between Jesus cursing the fig tree and Matthew 24:32. You're not looking at the context of Matthew 24:32, which has nothing to do with Israel, but rather has to do with the timing of His return.

Matthew 24:32 has to do with Israel, Jerusalem, and the time of His return.

You are seeing two verses that both refer to a fig tree and deciding that they must be related, but that is not how to interpret scripture. You have to look at the context of each verse to see if they are directly related and the context of each of those verses that reference a fig tree is not the same.

Jesus did not define what the fig tree represents in the parable - Matthew 24:32-34. It is up to us to determine what the fig tree represents from the scriptures. Which from scripture, Israel can be interpreted to be the fig tree of the parable. Also Jerusalem.

Israel as the fig tree in the parable:
1948 + 70 years = 2018 Jesus returns no later than. Did not happen.

Jerusalem as the fig tree in the parable:
1967 + 70 years = 2037 Jesus returns no later than.

Jesus's return will be 7 years after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39. Ezekiel 39:9, the seven years. Ezekiel 39:17-20, the feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Jesus Himself speaking in the text, having returned to this earth.

 

[Douggg]

"This Generation" will be a future generation that will be living to witness the second coming of Jesus in the heavens

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is dedicated to the second coming

Future of when Jesus gave the parable. We are living in that generation. The time of the end generation.

A big portion of Matthew 24 is about Jesus's Second Coming. From Matthew 24:15, forward.


Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[Johan2222]

I Disagree, Daniel's Abomination of desolation and the great tribulation are future events unfulfilled

Matthew Chapter 24 is showing a future generation that will witness the signs and second coming

None of that changes what you say you cannot see.

You talked about Douggg’s fairy tales but both of you have been blinded through the same cause.

I explained that cause in my last response to him (Post #60) and it applies equally as well to you.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

I was not changing the text.

Yes, you did. You referred to "this generation" as "that generation". That is a fact. Just go back and read the post for yourself. I can't believe how dishonest you are sometimes.

In relation to Matthew 24:34 where Jesus refers to "THIS generation", you said this:

Generation as used in the parable of the fig tree refers to from birth to death - because that generation will not pass away, i.e. die off - before all the things that Jesus spoke of regarding His return are fulfilled.

And here you are denying what everyone here can see, which is that you referred to what Jesus called "this generation" as "that generation".

When I used "that" generation, I pointing out the generation Jesus was referring to the parable of the fig tree.

Exactly. Hello? Jesus called it "this generation", not "that generation". Why are you trying to change His words? If He had referred to "this year" would you think He was talking about some future year? Of course not. So, you need to start dealing with scripture more honestly.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

What do you think "shall not pass" means ?

That verse means a generation existing at that time (whatever your understanding of the word generation is) won't end until certain things happen first.

Obviously, "this generation", Jesus did not mean his particular generation, which were alive at the time he was speaking, because Jesus did not return 2000 years ago, nor did the great tribulation take place back then.

Douggg, you try to create new definitions for two different words here and it's shameful. You are trying to make "this" mean "that" and you are trying to make the word "generation" mean the average human lifespan despite the fact that there is no such definition for that word. You should not twist scripture like this! You need to accept that "this" does not mean "that" and then think about what generation existed at that time? Then you need to realize that the word "genea" has multiple definitions, one of which is "race". So, Jesus was saying "this race" (the Jewish race) that existed at that time would not pass away until certain things happened first.

"generation" as used in verse 34 is not used in isolation, but in conjunction with "shall not pass".

No kidding. Who said otherwise?

A generation, a group of humans, begins by being born, and ends by dying.

Again, Jesus referred to "THIS generation", not "THAT generation". So, if what you're saying was true then the preterists would be correct in their understanding of Matthew 24;34, but we both know that they are not. And neither are you because at least they accept that "this" does not mean "that".

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Matthew 24:32 has to do with Israel, Jerusalem, and the time of His return.

No, it has nothing to do with Israel and Jerusalem.

Jesus did not define what the fig tree represents in the parable - Matthew 24:32-34.

It doesn't represent anything in particular except for a fig tree. The point of what He was saying was in relation to knowing when His return is near and He compared that to how you know summer is near when the leaves start appearing on a fig tree. He could have referred to any type of tree there and the point would have been the same. You are trying to make a connection with something else there when that was not His intention at all.

It is up to us to determine what the fig tree represents from the scriptures.

In Matthew 24:32 it represents a fig tree and how when a fig tree's leaves start growing it means that summer is near. We can similarly know that Jesus's return is near when the things He talked about as occurring before His second coming start happening.

Which from scripture, Israel can be interpreted to be the fig tree of the parable.

You can't just think that every mention of the fig tree refers to Israel. That's ridiculous.

Is this verse referring to Israel?

Proverbs 27:18 Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.

Is this passage referring to Israel?

John 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

Is this verse referring to Israel?

James 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, you did. You referred to "this generation" as "that generation". That is a fact. Just go back and read the post for yourself. I can't believe how dishonest you are sometimes.

Go back and read my post #51 and you will see that I copied and pasted verse 34 directly from the kjv at this link

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-24/.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

That particular generation Jesus was talking about in the parable of the fig tree would not pass away without all the things concerning His return would be fulfilled.

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So in your view, you do not think Jesus is going to return before the end of 2037 ? Nor that the 7 years of Daniel 9:27, Ezekiel 39:9 will begin before the end of 2030 ?

 

[Truth7t7]

A big portion of Matthew 24 is about Jesus's Second Coming. From Matthew 24:15, forward.

The question of the second coming and end of the world starts in Matthew 24:3

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Jipsah]

Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:14, indicates false prophet will do those miracles in the presence of the beast king - the person who will have been killed, as the whole world will see it happen, and then the person will lie dead in casket for several days to week, before sitting up in the casket having come back to life - the event seen worldwide. Won't be able to fake that.

Seriously? I can think of several ways to fake that, and I'm not a professional magician. I can't imagine any thinking person buying it.

The beast-king will be worshiped, and prior to becoming the beast-king, he goes into the temple, sits, claiming to be God.

And again, I don't see any standard-issue 21st century person worshipping anyone based on a a well done bit of stage magic. Gotta be more going on than that.

2Thessalonians2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Yeah, there has to be more there than we know. Literally Worshipping some geezer because he faked his own death and "resurrection" is right up there with literally worshipping a talking statue, Talking statues are found in Chucky Cheese and Disneyland. "He got killed but got better" is right up there with sawing a woman in half. So there has to be something going on there that we aren't being told.

So we really can't equate the way things are now to the way things will be then.

Just so. And Joe Average may have been taken in by a talking statue 2000 years ago, and may have fallen for a conjuror faking his own death and getting over it. In these times, nobody will even be impressed. Gotta be more there than meets the eye.

 

[Jipsah]

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Here's thought - what if He was really talking to the folks who were standing there in front of Him? Nah, too far fetched...

 

[Douggg]

The question of the second coming and end of the world starts in Matthew 24:3

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Truth7t7]

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Once again, Matthew chapter 24 is dedicated to answering the questions on what will the signs be leading up to the second coming and end of this world, all "Future" events unfulfilled

 

[Douggg]

Once again, Matthew chapter 24 is dedicated to answering the questions on what will the signs be leading up to the second coming and end of this world, all "Future" events unfulfilled

Jesus responded to the disciples' question by going through the near term things that would happen, verses 4-13, then the long term spreading of the gospel to the nations, verse 14, then the end times events of the parable of the fig tree generation of verses 15-51.

 

[Douggg]

Here's thought - what if He was really talking to the folks who were standing there in front of Him? Nah, too far fetched...

Jesus did not return to the generation of the disciples. His return is still future.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus responded to the disciples' question by going through the near term things that would happen, verses 4-13, then the long term spreading of the gospel to the nations, verse 14, then the end times events of the parable of the fig tree generation of verses 15-51.

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"I Disagree", Matthew 24:3-51 is dedicated to signs that precede the second coming, and the actual second coming end of this world, future events unfulfilled