Woman in Woman's Restroom in Tucson Walmart confronted by sheriff's deputies; One deputy insisted she “looked like a man”

[rjs330]

Was there a report of someone being assaulted in the ladies room?
What is the probable cause that the police would require to interfere with a person in the loos doing their business?

A man going into the ladies room.is enough for a check.

 

[johansen]

A man going into the ladies room.is enough for a check.

well, that would depend on .... things not normally looked at/

\. ll !!

 

[rjs330]

It depends, did someone tell them that someone was being assaulted

They reported rhat a man went in the ladies room. Thats enough for a check. You know what a Terry Stop is. You don't actually HAVE to have a crime in progress. You just need reasonable suspicion. And a man going into the Ladies room is enough in my book for a check. What if there was a woman in there and he assaults her and she can't get to her phone to report it until it's too late. You know stuff like that happens.

Once they conducted a check they could step out. But we don't know anything about what actually occurred. I want more than a 10 second video. Especially when they have BWCs.

Maybe these cops messed up. And honestly if she is telling the truth, they made a mistake.

 

[rjs330]

well, that would depend on .... things not normally looked at/

\. ll !!

Nope, just someone reporting it is enough to check to see if anything is going on. No one checked and no o e needs to check things not normally looked at.

This entire thing is NOT a trans issue. Even though the article and others want to make it so. This is simply a case of someone seeing what appeared to be a man going into the ladies room and being concerned about it.

 

[BPPLEE]

They reported rhat a man went in the ladies room. Thats enough for a check. You know what a Terry Stop is. You don't actually HAVE to have a crime in progress. You just need reasonable suspicion. And a man going into the Ladies room is enough in my book for a check. What if there was a woman in there and he assaults her and she can't get to her phone to report it until it's too late. You know stuff like that happens.

Once they conducted a check they could step out. But we don't know anything about what actually occurred. I want more than a 10 second video. Especially when they have BWCs.

Maybe these cops messed up. And honestly if she is telling the truth, they made a mistake.

I had this happen, not when I was in law enforcement but when I was a Security Officer at a hospital. Fortunately I was stationed at a metal detector and couldn’t leave my post. My supervisor was a woman and I called her and got her to check it out. It turned out to be a manly looking woman.

 

[stevil]

A man going into the ladies room.is enough for a check.

Personally I wouldn't be yelling for help, or calling the police, especially if it is a trans.

 

[stevil]

Some women who have been assaulted aren’t comfortable being around men alone. It’s more of a perceived danger than actual danger.

Sure, but if they are out in public, they are likely to encounter men.

 

[johansen]

Personally I wouldn't be yelling for help, or calling the police, especially if it is a trans.

how would you know...

 

[BPPLEE]

Sure, but if they are out in public, they are likely to encounter men.

They shouldn’t have to encounter men in the ladies room

 

[stevil]

They shouldn’t have to encounter men in the ladies room

Unless they are trans women.

 

[BPPLEE]

Unless they are trans women.

No, not even men claiming to be women.

 

[johansen]

Unless they are trans women.

again.. how would you know.....

what makes trans women/mem special in that they can go into women's restrooms with appendages that can be used to.. you know.. rape women?

unless we're clinging to the idea that women can't rape men, even after they are trans men and have had their uterus turned inside out to make something that is functionally male but not actually man because well.,. they are sterile biologically speaking....

this is about as hilarious to me as my 13 yr old gf 34 years ago didn't rape me because i was 6 at the time and I could not possibly have had an erection..... oh wait...

 

[RileyG]

Sure, but if they are out in public, they are likely to encounter men.

You missed the point.

 

[stevil]

again.. how would you know.....

what makes trans women/mem special in that they can go into women's restrooms with appendages that can be used to.. you know.. rape women?

unless we're clinging to the idea that women can't rape men, even after they are trans men and have had their uterus turned inside out to make something that is functionally male but not actually man because well.,. they are sterile biologically speaking....

this is about as hilarious to me as my 13 yr old gf 34 years ago didn't rape me because i was 6 at the time and I could not possibly have had an erection..... oh wait...

How many trans women have been caught raping cis women in the bathrooms?

If men are so dangerous, maybe men shouldn't be allowed in the same bathrooms as boys?

 

[FireDragon76]

There is no law in this case

Raising the profile of anti-trans rhetoric may have been a factor in assuming that it was important to keep the "wrong" sort of people out of bathrooms, or that certain kinds of appearances defined a "real" woman.

 

[SimplyMe]

They reported rhat a man went in the ladies room. Thats enough for a check. You know what a Terry Stop is. You don't actually HAVE to have a crime in progress. You just need reasonable suspicion. And a man going into the Ladies room is enough in my book for a check. What if there was a woman in there and he assaults her and she can't get to her phone to report it until it's too late. You know stuff like that happens.

Once they conducted a check they could step out. But we don't know anything about what actually occurred. I want more than a 10 second video. Especially when they have BWCs.

Maybe these cops messed up. And honestly if she is telling the truth, they made a mistake.

What was the crime you claim they had "reasonable suspicion" of? As has been pointed out, Arizona does not have any "bathroom laws." As such, it seems the police had no reason to conduct a Terry stop and could easily have waited to ask for her ID when she left the bathroom. Though I have to wonder if they asked her for ID; the fact she felt the need to lift her skirt for them would suggest (though is not evidence) that they refused to accept her ID as evidence of her sex.

 

[ozso]

Cis Woman Confronted by Cops in Walmart Restroom: Kalaya Morton Demands Justice​

In an alarming incident at a Tucson, Arizona Walmart, 19-year-old Kalaya Morton, a Black cisgender lesbian, was confronted by two male sheriff’s deputies while using the women’s restroom, sparking outrage and a demand for accountability.

Morton, who identifies as masculine-presenting or a “stud,” recounted the humiliating encounter that occurred when a store employee erroneously assumed she was a transgender woman. In an exclusive interview with The Advocate, Morton detailed her shock when the two deputies barged in, shining flashlights into the restroom stall.

“You have to get out of here. You have to come out. We need to talk to you.”

“I’m still using the restroom. I’m sitting down, I’m peeing. What is the issue?,” Morton incredulously told the deputies as she sat there.

Upon finally exiting the stall, Morton even lifted her shirt, thinking it would put to rest the police inquiries about her appearance. Spoiler alert: it didn’t. One deputy insisted she “looked like a man,” prompting Morton to start recording. In a now-viral TikTok video

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department has announced an internal investigation into the incident

In Arizona, where there is no specific law dictating restroom usage based on gender identity, Morton’s case exemplifies the broader issues surrounding gender policing and restroom access—especially as lawmakers nationwide double down on restrictive policies regarding transgender and gender-nonconforming individuals.

Goes for the "masculine-presenting stud" look, and naturally gets mistaken for a being a man. Go figure. The trials and tribulations of multuple gender identity role playing.

 

[RileyG]

How many trans women have been caught raping cis women in the bathrooms?

If men are so dangerous, maybe men shouldn't be allowed in the same bathrooms as boys?

That’s not the point.

The point is MEN, regardless what they identify as or not, DO NOT belong in women’s restrooms.

Point blank period.

Leave women and girls alone!

As a man, I will never believe a man who “self-identifies” as a woman. He’s either delusional, or has a fetish, or is kidding himself.

This NONSENSE needs to stop.

NOW!

LEAVE WOMEN ALONE

 

[RileyG]

Goes for the "masculine-presenting stud" look, and naturally gets mistaken for a being a man. Go figure. The trials and tribulations of multuple gender identity role playing.

It’s sickness. They are sick in their soul with sin.

 

[ozso]

Next up, furries who get hassled by hunters and animal control.