No rapture.

[Douggg]

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You left out verse 2 in your graphic. You jumped from verse 1 to verse 3 in your graphic. Leaving out verse 2 completely changes the meaning of what Paul wrote. Please make a honest graphic.

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


It is that the day of Christ - i.e. the day of Lord - that does not begin until there is...

1. a falling away (from believing that Jesus is the messiah) and...
2. the man of sin revealed, by his going into the temple sitting committing the transgression of desolation.

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 20:4-6 speaks of a rapture, but it is only for those who are killed for their testimony of Jesus.

Those verses are about a resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - not a rapture, i.e. the changing of the living.

 

[1Tonne]

Those verses are about a resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - not a rapture, i.e. the changing of the living.

Prove that it is not the rapture. Jesus did not believe in the rapture as you state. So why should I?

 

[Douggg]

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Prove that it is not the rapture. Jesus did not believe in the rapture as you state. So why should I?

There is no changing of the living in Revelation 20:4-6. Which means a rapture is not involved in that passage.

Jesus did not believe in the rapture as you state. So why should I?

Jesus did state that He was coming to them would be alive, as well as them who sleep ... in John 14:2-3

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Verse 3, is referring to the resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18, when Jesus comes and resurrects the sleeping (dead) in Christ, and changes those who are alive in Christ, and take those in Christ together to heaven.

 

[1Tonne]

There is no changing of the living in Revelation 20:4-6. Which means a rapture is not involved in that passage.

That is because it is mentioned in 1 Thes 4. The dead will rise first. If it mentions that the dead have been raised in Revelation 20, then we know that straight after that, those who are alive will also go to be with Him in the clouds. Some to everlasting life, and others to everlasting death.
"For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive [l]and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a [m]shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." 1Thes 4:15-18

Jesus did state that He was coming to them would be alive, as well as them who sleep ... in John 14:2-3

This makes no mention that these people are alive or dead. This could easily be at the end of time when He meets all who in the clouds. This is on the last day.

Verse 3, is referring to the resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18, when Jesus comes and resurrects the sleeping (dead) in Christ, and changes those who are alive in Christ, and take those in Christ together to heaven.

I agree. Although at a different time period. So not pre-trib or mid-trib. Jesus said it was the last day.
This is on the last day, where he comes and takes them up to meet with them in the air. This would be first, those who are dead and then those who are alive. This would be everyone. But some will go to everlasting death and others will be taken to heaven.

 

[Douggg]

That is because it is mentioned in 1 Thes 4. The dead will rise first. If it mentions that the dead have been raised in Revelation 20, then we know that straight after that, those who are alive will also go to be with Him in the clouds. Some to everlasting life, and others to everlasting death.

In Revelation 19:20-20:1-3, Jesus has returned to earth and has cast the beast the and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

And Satan is cast into the bottomless pit.

So.... in Revelation 20:4-6, Jesus is here on earth when He resurrects the martyred great tribulation saints to rule with Him for the 1000 thousands years. i.e. they are not taken to heaven - like will be done in the 1Thessalonians4:14-18 resurrection/rapture event.

I agree. Although at a different time period. So not pre-trib or mid-trib. Jesus said it was the last day.
This is on the last day, where he comes and takes them up to meet with them in the air. This would be first, those who are dead and then those who are alive. This would be everyone. But some will go to everlasting death and others will be taken to heaven.

The last day event, a general resurrection, is not the resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18 and 1Thessalonians5:9-11, as only Christians take part in resurrection/rapture event.

The last day event is in Revelation 20:11-15, when the Great White Throne Judgment takes place.

Here are the three events involving the resurrection of the dead.

1. the resurrection/rapture event - before the great tribulation begins. Taken to heaven, to return with Jesus.
1Thessalonians4:14-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11

2. the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - right after the great tribulation, and Jesus has returned.
Revelation 20:4-6

3. the resurrection of the last day - for the Great White Throne Judgment.
Revelation 20:11-15

 

[Clare73]

Prove that it is not the rapture. Jesus did not believe in the rapture as you state. So why should I?

Are you serious?

He presented it in Mt 24:30-31.

Who are the "elect from. . .one end of the heavens to the other" whom the angels will be sent to gather at the second coming (Mt 24:30)?

 

[1Tonne]

In Revelation 19:20-20:1-3, Jesus has returned to earth and has cast the beast the and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

And Satan is cast into the bottomless pit.

So.... in Revelation 20:4-6, Jesus is here on earth when He resurrects the martyred great tribulation saints to rule with Him for the 1000 thousands years. i.e. they are not taken to heaven - like will be done in the 1Thessalonians4:14-18 resurrection/rapture event.

NOTE: I do not believe that the Beast is Satan if that is what you are meaning.

I think you are viewing that Revelation 19 is the last day. It can't be as there is still 1000 years that Christ reigns while Satan is bound, and then Satan is set free again for a short time to wreak havoc. So, this is not the last day as Satan is not cast into the lake of fire and people are not judged until Revelation 20:11.

In Revelation 19:20-21, the Beast and his armies are defeated. Then, in Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is bound for 1,000 years during the millennial reign. Revelation 20:4-6 expands on who reigns with Christ during this time.
So, Revelation 19 describes the battle against the Beast, then, in Revelation 20:1-3 Satan is bound for 1,000 years during the millennial reign, and Revelation 20:4-6 provides more detail on those who reign with Christ. Then Satan is set free for a short time. And finally, we have the last day. The day of Judgement. (Jesus said believers are raised on the last day. Only the martyrs are raised before.)

The last day event, a general resurrection, is not the resurrection/rapture event of 1Thessalonians4:14-18 and 1Thessalonians5:9-11, as only Christians take part in resurrection/rapture event.

The last day event is in Revelation 20:11-15, when the Great White Throne Judgment takes place.

Here are the three events involving the resurrection of the dead.

1. the resurrection/rapture event - before the great tribulation begins. Taken to heaven, to return with Jesus.
1Thessalonians4:14-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11

2. the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - right after the great tribulation, and Jesus has returned.
Revelation 20:4-6

3. the resurrection of the last day - for the Great White Throne Judgment.
Revelation 20:11-15

You have outlined a three-stage resurrection model, which includes:

1. A pre-tribulation rapture of all Christians (1 Thessalonians 4:14-18).
2. A resurrection of martyred tribulation saints at Christ’s return (Revelation 20:4-6).
3. A final resurrection of unbelievers for the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).
This is a dispensational pre-millennial interpretation.

However, I don’t believe it is a 3-stage resurrection. I would argue that it is more of a 2-stage event, and the pre-tribulation idea isn’t supported by scripture (unless the scripture is used out of context). 1 Thessalonians 4 does not explicitly place the resurrection in relation to the millennium.

Here’s my view:
1. The beast is defeated (Revelation 20:1-3). Christ returns with the martyrs (1 Thessalonians 4:14-18) and reigns for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6). NOTE: Revelation 20:5 indicates that no other believers are resurrected until after the 1,000 years.
2. A final resurrection of all people—both dead and alive, believers and non-believers—takes place. They will be taken up into the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:17) for the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

Are you serious?

He presented it in Mt 24:30-31.

Who are the "elect from. . .one end of the heavens to the other" whom the angels will be sent to gather at the second coming (Mt 24:30)

NOTE: I believe that both the resurrection in 1 Thessalonians 4 and the final resurrection at the Great White Throne Judgment involve a 'catching away' (Harpazo). They both involve believers being gathered to Christ, though at different times. So, both are raptures.

Matthew 24:30-31 says:
"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the peoples of the earth will mourn; and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other."

Which Event Is This Referring To? The rapture (of the martyrs as in Thes 4) or the last resurrection of everyone to the GWT (also a rapture)?
This passage describes Christ's visible coming and the gathering of His elect. The key question is: Does this refer to the final resurrection or His return to begin the 1,000-year reign?

Two Possible Views
1. First Resurrection (Martyrs' Resurrection/Harpazo before the Millennium)
-The gathering of the elect refers to Christ resurrecting the martyrs only (Revelation 20:4-6)."
-The rest of the dead (including non-martyred believers and unbelievers) remain in their graves until the final resurrection (Revelation 20:11-15)."

2. Final Resurrection (General Resurrection/Last Harpazo at the End of the Millennium)
-The gathering of the elect refers to the resurrection of all believers, along with non-believers, for final judgment."
-Since Jesus’ 1,000-year reign has ended, this could imply that He has ascended back to heaven prior to Satan's final rebellion, only returning again for the Great White Throne Judgment."
This would align with 1 Thes 4:1 where everyone meets the Lord in the clouds on the last day. It also aligns with the trumpet that ushers in the Great White Throne Judgement on the last day, as in Rev 11:15. It would also align with 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.
"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (NKJV)

I recognize that you believe Matthew 24:30-31 refers to the first resurrection (rapture of all believers before the tribulation). However, the passage does not explicitly state whether this is the first or second gathering (Harpazo). It simply describes a gathering of the elect at Christ’s return, which could align with either interpretation.

 

[Douggg]

NOTE: I do not believe that the Beast is Satan if that is what you are meaning.

No, I am not saying that Satan is the beast.

I think you are viewing that Revelation 19 is the last day.

No, I am not saying that.

You have outlined a three-stage resurrection model, which includes:

1. A pre-tribulation rapture of all Christians (1 Thessalonians 4:14-18).
2. A resurrection of martyred tribulation saints at Christ’s return (Revelation 20:4-6).
3. A final resurrection of unbelievers for the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).
This is a dispensational pre-millennial interpretation.

No, you are putting words in my mouth. Three events, not three-stages.

Here are the three events involving the resurrection of the dead....and when.

1. the resurrection/rapture event - before the great tribulation begins. Taken to heaven, to return with Jesus.
1Thessalonians4:14-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11

2. the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - right after the great tribulation, and Jesus has returned.
Revelation 20:4-6

3. the resurrection of the last day - for the Great White Throne Judgment.
Revelation 20:11-15

I recognize that you believe Matthew 24:30-31 refers to the first resurrection (rapture of all believers before the tribulation).

No, I have not stated that nor believe that Matthew 24:31 is any sort of resurrection. Matthew 24:31 is the gathering of the Jews out of the nations from around the world to the land of Israel after Jesus has returned.

 

[1Tonne]

No, I am saying that Satan is the beast.


No, I am saying that.


No, you are putting words in my mouth. Three events, not three-stages.

Here are the three events involving the resurrection of the dead....and when.

1. the resurrection/rapture event - before the great tribulation begins. Taken to heaven, to return with Jesus.
1Thessalonians4:14-18, 1Thessalonians5:9-11

2. the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints - right after the great tribulation, and Jesus has returned.
Revelation 20:4-6

3. the resurrection of the last day - for the Great White Throne Judgment.
Revelation 20:11-15


No, I have not stated that nor believe that Matthew 24:31 is any sort of resurrection. Matthew 24:31 is the gathering of the Jews out of the nations from around the world to the land of Israel after Jesus has returned.

That is fine. I do not mind what your viewpoint is. There seem to be many views. That many views that I struggle to keep up with them all. I have stated my view which is logical and keeps into account what Jesus and the early disciples believed.

 

[Douggg]

That is fine. I do not mind what your viewpoint is

I re-read my post and I made a typo.

What I meant to say was - No, I don't believe that Satan is the beast.

Also I don't believe that Revelation 19 is the last day.

 

[Clare73]

NOTE: I believe that both the resurrection in 1 Thessalonians 4 and the final resurrection at the Great White Throne Judgment involve a 'catching away' (Harpazo). They both involve believers being gathered to Christ, though at different times. So, both are raptures.

I don't take my doctrine from prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:6-8), particularly when they are not in agreement with the teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 10:16).

 

[Dan Perez]

I believe rapture to be a dangerous theology that's happened today.
The doctrine muddies understanding of when Christ returns.

When Christ made it very clear He returns only after, The Tribulation of a false Christ.
Matthew 24:29-30 KJV.

1 Thessalians 4 is often taken out of its subject of life after death.
The return is not specifically detailed in the chapter. Paul does mentions the return only to conclude the subject that all believers in The Jesus Christ will reunite with their loved ones: Whether through the course of time by the natural process of dying of the body.
Or at the second advent, when only spiritual bodies remain on Earth at The True Lord Jesus Christ's return at the 7th Trump which is the last. Only After, the 6th has concluded.
Seems many then as today, are mistaken about the events leading up to The Lord return.
Unfamiliar with order of events outlined in The Word of God The Bible.
The rapture exacerbates this lack of Bible knowledge.

If 1st Thessalians 4 was not clear enough. Paul followed with the introduction of a new subject The return in 2nd Thessalian 2. Where he makes it very plainly clear there'll be no return of The True Lord Jesus Christ, not until after Satan (the son of perdition) arrives first. This follows all of The Bibles teachings.
The danger with the rapture is, it sets Christians up, to worship the first one that arrives only claiming, to be Jesus. Its Satan instead of Him.

And most NEVER check the Greek text and will find out that there is NO Greek word called RAPTURE .

Anyone that reads 2 Thess 2:3 will see that many translate APOSTASIA // DEPARTURE of the BODY of Christ ( instead of

falling away )) should come FIRST // PROTOS , and the MAN of SIN SHOULD be Revealed , the son of Destruction

verse 4 , the one Opposing and Exalting himself over all things being called of God or object of worship so that he as God

is to sit down into the TEMPLE OF God , Exhibiting himself that he is God !!

This is why I am Dispensational , Per-mill and PER-TRIB ,

dan p

 

[Avaree]

I believe rapture to be a dangerous theology that's happened today.
The doctrine muddies understanding of when Christ returns.

When Christ made it very clear He returns only after, The Tribulation of a false Christ.
Matthew 24:29-30 KJV.

In passages like Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36, when Jesus speaks of . . .

[ [Luke 17:34-36:

. . . There will be two men in one bed; the one will be taken and the other will be left. Two women will be grinding together; the one will be taken and the other left. Two men will be in the field; the one will be taken . . . ]]

. . . It can be interpreted, as an indication of a sudden and selective removal of believers from the earth, an event that occurs before a time of judgment.

Further, there is the Promise to the Church of Philadelphia in Revelation 3:10 when Jesus makes a specific promise to the Church of Philadelphia:

“Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.”

This promise can be viewed as a clearer depiction of when the "taking” (the rapture we speak of, referenced in Matthew 24:40) occurs. It indicates that believers who have remained faithful will be preserved from the time of trial (the Great Tribulation).

Therefore, the event of being “taken” as indicated in the gospels (earlier on) established the idea of rapture when all believers will be removed from earth while the promise in Revelations to the Philadelphia church specifies that this occurs before the great tribulation.

In this view, the rapture is based on Jesus’ teachings about believers being taken away (suddenly) and the promise made to the church in Philadelphia supports both the nature and timing of this event.

 

[1Tonne]

Matt 24:40-41 . . . There will be two men in one bed; the one will be taken and the other will be left. Two women will be grinding together; the one will be taken and the other left. Two men will be in the field; the one will be taken . . . ]]

. . . It can be interpreted, as an indication of a sudden and selective removal of believers from the earth, an event that occurs before a time of judgment.

Matt 24:40-41 has nothing to do with the rapture.
I believe that to understand these verses we need to read the previous verses. This keeps it in context.
So, we need to take note of verses 15-22 to keep it in context.
“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place—[let the reader understand— 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. 18 And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 Moreover, pray that when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short."

We can see that the beast and his minion army are advancing and that they have even made it to the Temple in Jerusalem. As they advance, they are killing the elect (the believers). Then in verses 16-18 it warns them to get away fast. If they don't, then they will be taken away to tribulation and killed. These people are not raptured out. They stay through the tribulation period and are told to flee. Do not look back. Flee fast for your life.

Then after these verses, we see Christ's return in Matt 24:29-31.
“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other."

Next, we have verses 32-39 which are simply saying to be ready. You will be able to tell that Jesus is returning soon as we will know the signs. So, if you see the antichrist in the Temple, then you know that the time of Christ's return is imminent. But like in the days of Noah, people will not be ready. They will be eating and drinking and living life as they always have. But make sure you are ready.
These verses also say that the generation that sees these things start will also see them completed.
“32 Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Lastly, we have verses 40-41
"At that time there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left."
This is simply saying that as the beast's armies advance, there will be two people in a field, one will be left, but the believer will be taken to tribulation. Verse 18 even says that if you are in the field, don't waste time by going to get your cloak.
Two women will be grinding at the mill, one will be left, and the believer will be taken to tribulation. SO, FLEE. As it says in verses 16-18, flee. Don't be taken to tribulation but know from the parable (verse 32) that we need to be ready to flee.

 

[Avaree]

SO, FLEE. As it says in verses 16-18, flee. Don't be taken to tribulation but know from the parable (verse 32) that we need to be ready to flee.

Luke 21:20-24: "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

CHRIST JESUS' WARNING points both to the immediate threat posed by the Romans (which resulted in the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple when Titus and his army burned it down and slaughtered many inhabitants of Jerusalem) and to a future parallel event that will precede the great tribulation.

At that time, it was a call for urgent action in response to the immediate threat, urging those in Judea to escape the impending danger posed by the Roman army as it advanced on Jerusalem in 66 A.D. to suppress the burgeoning uprising. Historical records indicate that the Roman army briefly retreated, allowing those who wished to heed the warning to flee; however, those who remained ultimately faced severe consequences in 70 A.D. when the Romans returned.

This warning to "flee" also applies to those who will be present during the end times.

 

[Dan Perez]

Are you serious?

He presented it in Mt 24:30-31.

Who are the "elect from. . .one end of the heavens to the other" whom the angels will be sent to gather at the second coming (Mt 24:30)?

Anyone ghat checks the Greek text will NEVER find the Greek word RAPTURE .

And never find the Greek word PURGATORY !!

If you check VINE'S GREEK DICTIONARY and check what CHURCH ,means , the Greek word is ASSEMBLY

Christ is COMING // PAROUSIA in 2 Thess 2:1

And in 2 Thess 2:3

And , the DEPARTURE // APOSTASIA in 2 Thess 2:3

And in Gal 1:4 He might RESCUE // EXAIRO to deliver

dan p

 

[Clare73]

Anyone ghat checks the Greek text will NEVER find the Greek word RAPTURE .

The will find the word harpazo, "catching up." (1 Th 4:17)

And never find the Greek word PURGATORY !!
If you check VINE'S GREEK DICTIONARY and check what CHURCH ,means , the Greek word is ASSEMBLY
Christ is COMING // PAROUSIA in 2 Thess 2:1
And in 2 Thess 2:3
And , the DEPARTURE // APOSTASIA in 2 Thess 2:3
And in Gal 1:4 He might RESCUE // EXAIRO to deliver

 

[1Tonne]

The word "haparzo" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is simply stating that at the end of history, on the last day, we will all be taken up. This includes unbelievers too. It does not say that they are not included. Some go to everlasting life and some to death.

 

[Michael Snow]

You left out verse 2 in your graphic. You jumped from verse 1 to verse 3 in your graphic. Leaving out verse 2 completely changes the meaning of what Paul wrote. Please make a honest graphic

Graphics have their limits (of words). NOTHING wrong with my graphic.(borrowed from elsewhere) Look at the TEXT of Scripture itself.

1 Thess. 2:1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed...

Verse one gives us the topic: The parousia
Verse two gives us the problem: Confusion among the Thessaloniians about the time (as if 'already come')
Verse three gives them the answer: NO it has not already come. WHY? Because these things must come FIRST.

Verse Two: The false allegation that "the Day of the Lord has already come" ....and verse three "it will not come" both point to the topic of
verse one, "concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him"

Verse one: "...and..." (kai) The coming (Parousia, Second Advent) includes our being gathered to him. [But this does not happen "until the rebellion..."etc of verse 3]


That is the exegetical conclusion of all three evangelical commentaries I have here by the most noted evangelical scholars of our day, that names of whiich anyone who has done their homework, knows such as Lean Morris, in The New International Commentary; F. F. Bruce, (a true master of the Greek language) in the Word Biblical Commentary,...

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