More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken

[RileyG]

Exactly. That's why prejudice against people who "look Arab" is merely contingent.

….but there are Arab Christians.

 

[DaisyDay]

Most ladies are fine with it? Says who?

Sez all the ladies I know.

Regardless, the women who aren't comfortable with it have a right to say they don't want men- from their perspective- in their private spaces.

The toilet cubicles are private.

I think transwomen are more common than transmen which is why there is more outrage.

I have no reason to think that's true as one of the themes is how young girls are too often becoming trans. No, I think the greater outrage directed at transwomen is rooted in the idea that it is more shameful for a guy to be womanish than for a girl to be mannish. There also seems to be some sort of horror directed at male parts as though the mere sight of a bare naked penis will scar a lady's brain for life.

It has become socially acceptable to pick on this extremely small, marginalized population, sadly. Too many folk think it's good sport to mock and denigrate these people, to take out aggression on them.

Yes, Trump said something odd. He has said many odd things. I never once claimed he was perfect.

No, you are deflecting his out and out fearmongering. He didn't just say this once or twice, but repeatedly, publicly, proudly. I would say that he knows that this obvious nonsense isn't true, but for some reason, we are supposed to pretend this scenario is not ridiculous. You said before that "There is no fear mongering" - how is this not? He is not the only one who does this.

And, in my opinion, it wasn't cruelty. Not wanting minors to do permanent damage to their bodies isn't cruelty. I don't care what adults choose to do. Their life, their choice.

I'm not buying that rational altogether. For one thing, children at the beginning of puberty are quite different than "children" at the end of adolescence. Old children are allowed to get breast implants and nose jobs. Girls who become pregnant are required in certain states to give birth which can also do permanent damage to their bodies. Boys are encouraged to participate in violent sports like American football which can damage their bodies and brains permanently - and for what? A bit of Friday night glory?

Even non-surgical treatment is now forbidden in many states - social transition, changing names and even pronouns are verboten even though that is obviously not permanent. Best practices as determined by medical professionals are overridden by politicians.

 

[RileyG]

Sez all the ladies I know.


The toilet cubicles are private.

I have no reason to think that's true as one of the themes is how young girls are too often becoming trans. No, I think the greater outrage directed at transwomen is rooted in the idea that it is more shameful for a guy to be womanish than for a girl to be mannish. There also seems to be some sort of horror directed at male parts as though the mere sight of a bare naked penis will scar a lady's brain for life.

It has become socially acceptable to pick on this extremely small, marginalized population, sadly. Too many folk think it's good sport to mock and denigrate these people, to take out aggression on them.


No, you are deflecting his out and out fearmongering. He didn't just say this once or twice, but repeatedly, publicly, proudly. I would say that he knows that this obvious nonsense isn't true, but for some reason, we are supposed to pretend this scenario is not ridiculous. You said before that "There is no fear mongering" - how is this not? He is not the only one who does this.


I'm not buying that rational altogether. For one thing, children at the beginning of puberty are quite different than "children" at the end of adolescence. Old children are allowed to get breast implants and nose jobs. Girls who become pregnant are required in certain states to give birth which can also do permanent damage to their bodies. Boys are encouraged to participate in violent sports like American football which can damage their bodies and brains permanently - and for what? A bit of Friday night glory?

Even non-surgical treatment is now forbidden in many states - social transition, changing names and even pronouns are verboten even though that is obviously not permanent. Best practices as determined by medical professionals are overridden by politicians.

Women shouldn’t have men in their private space just because some women are ok with it.

And no, I’m not picking on anyone because I don’t agree with transgendered ideology. The only reason why many girls may think they are boys is because adults are grooming them.

Minors cannot drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, or buy their own lottery tickets. Why should they choose something that is permanently life alerting at such a young age?

That’s my issue.

Adults are free to decide what they want to do later on.

 

[rjs330]

You're correct, the right hasn't fretted the "end of democracy" - why would they when they're not overly big fans of democracy in the first place? No, what they've fretter over is the destruction of the family brought about by affording rights to gays, the end of the nation brought about by "cultural marxism", the abolition of suburbs, and a host of other boogeyman.

See what I mean. The right isn't a fan of democracy you say. Which is exactly what I've been saying. Fear mongering from the left.

Really? Everybody involved in the Planet Fitness scenarios seemed pretty afraid to me.

Protecting women is all about fear now. Well chivalry really is dead. So are women's rights apparently.

Yeah, well, that'll happen when a president and party leader tries to steal an election and successfully avoids accountability while pardoning everybody who abetted him.

Well.at least you admit it..

 

[rjs330]

Bird flu. Does he control that?

Hey don't forget that was under Biden. So apparently he's responsible for the bird flu issues.

Next thing you know Democrats will expect Trump to start pulling chicken out of his bum. And if he fails to do so he's a failure as a president.

 

[rjs330]

Sez all the ladies I know.

Well it looks like a lot of ladies voted for Trump. Apparently you are not traveling in the right circles.

 

[rjs330]

It has become socially acceptable to pick on this extremely small, marginalized population, sadly. Too many folk think it's good sport to mock and denigrate these people, to take out aggression on them.

It was them and their allies that started this battle by invading women's spaces, and supporting the medicalization of children which sterilized them, hindered their normal development perminently and harmed their families. It was they who supported the removal of perfectly healthy body parts all without actual reliable research which was nothing more than medical.experimentation on children.

Very little was ever said about these people until they decided to do these things up to and including trying to take away other people's ability to support themselves and their families.

None of this can be denied. And we're are somehow expected to keep our mouths shut or else. Poppycock.

 

[rjs330]

Old children are allowed to get breast implants and nose jobs.

Its cute that you actually think this is the same thing as removing healthy body parts all together. I have a sneaki g suspicion that if these girls were having their noses completely removed you woild have something else to say.

 

[RileyG]

Its cute that you actually think this is the same thing as removing healthy body parts all together. I have a sneaki g suspicion that if these girls were having their noses completely removed you woild have something else to say.

The whole trans nonsense for MINORS needs to stop.

If an adults wants to pretend they're the opposite sex- that's their choice.

LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE!

 

[RileyG]

Well it looks like a lot of ladies voted for Trump. Apparently you are not traveling in the right circles.

So ridiciulous. Men do NOT belong in women's spaces regardless of their "identity."

 

[iluvatar5150]

See what I mean. The right isn't a fan of democracy you say. Which is exactly what I've been saying. Fear mongering from the left.

It’s not fear-mongering; it’s an accurate (if somewhat hyperbolic) description of their position. In the not-too-distant past, folks on the right would often remind you that the US is a republic, not a democracy. They’ve also long been the party of limiting the franchise rather than expanding it.

 

[A2SG]

I guess woke culture is very related to liberal social issues? I dunno

And who, exactly, was not allowed to disagree with any liberal social issue, whether it constitutes whatever "woke culture" is or not? How was this disallowing implemented?

Again, it seems to me, I've heard plenty of disagreement with all sorts of liberal social issues, some of which were called "woke," some not. If there was ever an attempt to disallow this from happening, well, it didn't work very well, I gotta say.

-- A2SG, though, the fact that you can't clearly define what "woke culture" is says quite a lot......

 

[DaisyDay]

Hey don't forget that was under Biden. So apparently he's responsible for the bird flu issues.

Next thing you know Democrats will expect Trump to start pulling chicken out of his bum. And if he fails to do so he's a failure as a president.

When the straw man gets toted out, the argument is long lost.

Well it looks like a lot of ladies voted for Trump. Apparently you are not traveling in the right circles.

Just because a lady voted for Trump, doesn't mean she agrees with him on demonizing transgendered people - she might have been a grocery prices voter or pro-ethnic cleansing. There were a variety of issues, but Trump did say he won on the groceries.

I particularly like: "I started using the word groceries. Who uses the word groceries?" What that sounds like to me is that it tested well with audience reaction so that's what he went with.

 

[Pommer]

No surprises here.

Bird flu isn’t Trumps fault.

This thread isn’t about Trump, though.

 

[Pommer]

Christian values aren’t opposed to minorities.

Do you think that American a Christian values and Singaporean Christian values line up pretty good?

 

[Pommer]

Women shouldn’t have men in their private space just because some women are ok with it.

If that “some” was (verifiably) “most” would you accept that it shouldn’t be mens’ decisions that “settle it”?

And no, I’m not picking on anyone because I don’t agree with transgendered ideology. The only reason why many girls may think they are boys is because adults are grooming them.

Minors cannot drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, or buy their own lottery tickets. Why should they choose something that is permanently life alerting at such a young age?

That’s my issue.

Adults are free to decide what they want to do later on.

Bodily autonomy doesn't “begin” until age 18, and only when you’re a man or a woman who isn’t pregnant.

 

[KCfromNC]

Christian values aren’t opposed to minorities.

There's an awful lot of attempts in this very thread to characterize support for certain types of minorities (transgender people, those helped by "woke" initiatives, and so on) with "anti-Christian values".

 

[KCfromNC]

-- A2SG, though, the fact that you can't clearly define what "woke culture" is says quite a lot......

Attacks on whatever it is have recently been seen in the same places as complaints about DEI programs, which also says quite a lot.

 

[RileyG]

There's an awful lot of attempts in this very thread to characterize support for certain types of minorities (transgender people, those helped by "woke" initiatives, and so on) with "anti-Christian values".

So? From a Christian perspective, sin is sin. It didn’t mean they hate the person.

 

[RileyG]

And who, exactly, was not allowed to disagree with any liberal social issue, whether it constitutes whatever "woke culture" is or not? How was this disallowing implemented?

Again, it seems to me, I've heard plenty of disagreement with all sorts of liberal social issues, some of which were called "woke," some not. If there was ever an attempt to disallow this from happening, well, it didn't work very well, I gotta say.

-- A2SG, though, the fact that you can't clearly define what "woke culture" is says quite a lot......

I don’t know how to define so called woke culture so to speak. That’s fair.