More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken

[RileyG]

If that “some” was (verifiably) “most” would you accept that it shouldn’t be mens’ decisions that “settle it”?

Bodily autonomy doesn't “begin” until age 18, and only when you’re a man or a woman who isn’t pregnant.

What? This isn’t about pregnancy.

 

[rjs330]

It’s not fear-mongering; it’s an accurate (if somewhat hyperbolic) description of their position. In the not-too-distant past, folks on the right would often remind you that the US is a republic, not a democracy. They’ve also long been the party of limiting the franchise rather than expanding it.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. We believe in the Constitutional Republic set up by the founders. Does that mean we are trying to end democracy?

How can we end something that doeant exist in our Counstitutional form of government?

So what exactly is the left trying to say when they claim we are trying to end democracy?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. We believe in the Constitutional Republic set up by the founders. Does that mean we are trying to end democracy?

How can we end something that doeant exist in our Counstitutional form of government?

So what exactly is the left trying to say when they claim we are trying to end democracy?

What I was trying to say in post 243 was that the right has their own flavors of fear-mongering.

 

[rjs330]

When the straw man gets toted out, the argument is long lost.

Oh you didn't appreciate my comment?

Just because a lady voted for Trump, doesn't mean she agrees with him on demonizing transgendered people - she might have been a grocery prices voter or pro-ethnic cleansing. There were a variety of issues, but Trump did say he won on the groceries.

Let's see:
Demonizing trans people (an untruth)
Grocery prices voter
Or pro-ethnic cleansing.

Hmmm... two out of the three are false statements in regard to our positions.

And there were a lot of women who voted for Trump precisely because one one if their key issues was the attack on children and the erosion of women's rights due to the trans issues.

45% of Americans (that includes women, are against men (transwomen) using women's bathrooms whole only 30% support it.

45% of Americans oppose children getting puberty blockers while only 30% support it.

45% of Americans oppose Hormone Therapy for kids while 30% support it.

We on the right are more heavily supported by the American people including women than you on the left on this issue.

 

[A2SG]

I don’t know how to define so called woke culture so to speak. That’s fair.

Fine. So what made you think people are not allowed to speak out against it? Especially given that a ton of people have, in fact, spoken out about it. Loudly, and often.

-- A2SG, including many people who also can't define it....

 

[KCfromNC]

So? From a Christian perspective, sin is sin. It didn’t mean they hate the person.

I'm just pointing out what the posts plainly say. I really can't comment on the beliefs held at the source of those posts.

 

[DaisyDay]

Oh you didn't appreciate my comment?

On the contrary, I admire your straw man building ability, That one is magnificent!

Let's see:
Demonizing trans people (an untruth)
Grocery prices voter
Or pro-ethnic cleansing.

The current chaotic administration has formally removed the "T" from all official mentions of "LBGTQ"". Transgendered people and their parents have been demonized for the last several years by the right.

Hmmm... two out of the three are false statements in regard to our positions.

You're a lady Maga voter? If so, your profile is misleading... If not, you seem to have misread my post.

And there were a lot of women who voted for Trump precisely because one one if their key issues was the attack on children and the erosion of women's rights due to the trans issues.

What "attack on children"? Politicizing medical treatment, especially best practices, is an attack on children who don't fit your mold and their families. Women's rights are under attack under the guise of anti-DEI initiatives and orders.

45% of Americans (that includes women, are against men (transwomen) using women's bathrooms whole only 30% support it.

45% of Americans oppose children getting puberty blockers while only 30% support it.

45% of Americans oppose Hormone Therapy for kids while 30% support it.

What dark place did you pull these numbers from? Furthermore, so what? As you say, the USA is not a direct democracy in part to protect the rights of minorities.

We on the right are more heavily supported by the American people including women than you on the left on this issue.

Your claim that no lady 2024 Trump voter voted for Trump for any of the reasons listed is suss as heck.

 

[RileyG]

I'm just pointing out what the posts plainly say. I really can't comment on the beliefs held at the source of those posts.

Fair enough

 

[Pommer]

Women shouldn’t have men in their private space just because some women are ok with it.

And no, I’m not picking on anyone because I don’t agree with transgendered ideology. The only reason why many girls may think they are boys is because adults are grooming them.

Minors cannot drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, or buy their own lottery tickets. Why should they choose something that is permanently life alerting at such a young age?

That’s my issue.

Adults are free to decide what they want to do later on.

If that “some” was (verifiably) “most” would you accept that it shouldn’t be mens’ decisions that “settle it”?

Bodily autonomy doesn't “begin” until age 18, and only when you’re a man or a woman who isn’t pregnant.

What? This isn’t about pregnancy.

The point was about the patriarchal “concern” that trumps what women might actually be “okay with”.

(There’s never any discussion of transmen using unrinals, leading us to think that only [sub-18] children and women who are pregnant don’t have bodily autonomy.)

Where does the “pregnancy” come in?
When it was decided that women don’t have full control over their bodies when they are pregnant.

I‘m fairly certain that you’re an intelligent person and can grasp that more than one idea is being discussed (at a time), or am I in error?

 

[RileyG]

The point was about the patriarchal “concern” that trumps what women might actually be “okay with”.

(There’s never any discussion of transmen using unrinals, leading us to think that only [sub-18] children and women who are pregnant don’t have bodily autonomy.)

Where does the “pregnancy” come in?
When it was decided that women don’t have full control over their bodies when they are pregnant.

I‘m fairly certain that you’re an intelligent person and can grasp that more than one idea is being discussed (at a time), or am I in error?

No. I understand what you’re saying.

 

[essentialsaltes]

100K eggs stolen from central Pa. supplier​

500+ eggs whisked away during Seattle breakfast heist, police scramble to crack case

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

More Democrats fear the party’s image isn’t just damaged – it’s broken​

Everyone agrees they lost the working class, but they’re deeply divided on where to place the blame — and what to do about it.​

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Democrats are having a full-blown identity crisis.​

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Days after Kamala Harris’ defeat, the extent of their party’s failure is becoming increasingly clear. It’s bad enough that Democrats are still losing working-class whites, as they have in recent elections. Now, exit polls show blue-collar Latinos and some Black men, long a core part of the Democratic base, are abandoning the party, too, fueling electoral shellackings. Republicans flipped the Senate and are padding their majority. Democrats’ path to a majority in the House is narrowing.​

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“The Democratic Party needs to be rebuilt,” said Pramila Jayapal, chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. “We have become a party of elites, whether we abandoned working-class people, whether they abandoned us, whether it’s some combination of all of the above.”

In interviews with 16 elected officials, party leaders and strategists, Democrats from both wings of the party agreed they have stopped knowing how to talk to the working class, once the very core of their identity. But they were deeply divided on where to place the blame — and what to do about it. Just like Donald Trump’s victory did in 2016 — and in 2020, when he lost by a smaller margin than expected — his return to the White House is fueling a raging debate between the party’s progressive and moderate wings about where to go from here.

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It s not just the image. There is no leadership to step up, no charisma, no inspiration.
All the can do is let economic disaster happen and perhaps by then someone will surface in two years.

 

[RileyG]

500+ eggs whisked away during Seattle breakfast heist, police scramble to crack case

Oh no!