Im not sure where to post this.

[trophy33]

I live in Ohio. I don't own my own farm or ranch. Food is expensive, but I shop mostly at Aldi, which has saved me a ton vs Kroger. I am able to buy the items I listed above and stay within budget.

Well, it depends, you can buy one fruit and one can of beans a week and stay withing your budget, but its not sustainable, right. If you can eat fully and healthily for $100 a month in a normal western city, then you have won a lottery.

Here in Europe, $100 bill would be rather a week budget for an optimal nutrition food. Indeed, you can eat just rice, pasta and beans and it would be cheap, but not healthy.

 

[High Fidelity]

I hope it goes well and there aren’t complications. I know of a couple people that had it done that have some unfortunate side effects.

Ultimately, whilst it may help you lose weight, there needs to be recognition that the habits that led to this point are clearly sin. Gluttony, over indulgence, slothfulness etc. Those need to be addressed.

So far as what methods you use to motivate yourself to exercise etc goes, whatever works, just keep in mind those sins and seek to address and limit/stop them.

Obesity has been normalised and the sin of it is often overlooked, so I just wanted to add that.

I will be praying for you. I know it must be exciting and I hope this is a new chapter ahead for you and it improves your life.

 

[trophy33]

I hope it goes well and there aren’t complications. I know of a couple people that had it done that have some unfortunate side effects.

Ultimately, whilst it may help you lose weight, there needs to be recognition that the habits that led to this point are clearly sin. Gluttony, over indulgence, slothfulness etc. Those need to be addressed.

So far as what methods you use to motivate yourself to exercise etc goes, whatever works, just keep in mind those sins and seek to address and limit/stop them.

Obesity has been normalised and the sin of it is often overlooked, so I just wanted to add that.

I will be praying for you. I know it must be exciting and I hope this is a new chapter ahead for you and it improves your life.

The epidemic of obesity and even of morbid obesity in the US society is rather a disease caused by disrupted hormones. Its caused by the ultra-processed factory "foods" full of ingredients that are banned in the EU and elsewhere.

 

[High Fidelity]

The epidemic of obesity and even of morbid obesity in the US society is rather a disease caused by disrupted hormones. Its caused by the ultra-processed factory "foods" full of ingredients that are banned in the EU and elsewhere.

I’m sorry, but if you eat more than your body needs, you gain weight. It’s really that simple.

 

[trophy33]

I’m sorry, but if you eat more than your body needs, you gain weight. It’s really that simple.

No, its not that simple. You should learn more before accusing obese people of sin. Its a hormonal disruption and frequently also goes hand in hand with a mental problem.

 

[High Fidelity]

No, it’s not that simple. You should learn more before accusing obese people of sin. It’s a hormonal disruption and frequently also goes hand in hand with a mental problem.

Chocolate is unhealthy too in the wrong amounts. Is someone free from accountability if they eat too much of that too?

 

[trophy33]

Chocolate is unhealthy too in the wrong amounts. Is someone free from accountability if they eat too much of that too?

Almost nobody can buy a chocolate and eat just a bit. Because its addictive and made to be addictive.

 

[High Fidelity]

Almost nobody can buy a chocolate and eat just a bit. Because its addictive and made to be addictive.

Right, so the answer is exercising self-control by either not buying it, or by eating it in small stages.

If someone can’t do those things it isn’t the fault of the chocolate.

 

[trophy33]

Right, so the answer is exercising self-control by either not buying it, or by eating it in small stages.

If someone can’t do those things it isn’t the fault of the chocolate.

My point is that if something is addictive or disrupting your hormones or low in nutrition (like the most of the factory "foods"), then its not about self control anymore. Its about education, ideally since childhood. And Americans have no idea what to eat, they were fed junk since they were little kids and therefore their bodies do not even work properly, like the hunger hormones or the satiety hormones.

Many mental problems are also treated by drugs that make people gain weight - and the half of Americans take some. Even children have prediabetes, mainly in poor communities, because of the junk they eat and drink. No, its not simply about a sin.

 

[High Fidelity]

My point is that if something is addictive or disrupting your hormones or low in nutrition (like the most of the factory "foods"), then its not about self control anymore. Its about education, ideally since childhood. And Americans have no idea what to eat, they were fed junk since they were little kids and therefore their bodies do not even work properly, like the hunger hormones or the satiety hormones.

Many mental problems are also treated by drugs that make people gain weight - and the half of Americans take some. Even children have prediabetes, mainly in poor communities, because of the junk they eat and drink. No, its not simply about a sin.

All of that information is online. It’s never been easier for a person to educate themselves and make better informed decisions.

 

[trophy33]

All of that information is online. It’s never been easier for a person to educate themselves and make better informed decisions.

Its not so easy. First, somebody must tell you that its about the food you eat. You cannot expect for example children to have a biochemistry degree before their hormones get messed up.
Second, there are so many contradicting information and diets online that, many people simply do not know what to do, having no good examples in their families or in school. And their doctors have no clue either.
Third, there are the other causes of weight gain, as I mentioned for example some drugs many Americans are taking for their other problems.
Fourth, constant civilization stress also is a cause of gaining weight. Your body cannot process the food properly, when under stress.
And I am not even going into problems like food allergies, pesticides, the role of sleep, genetics etc.

 

[SaltonSea]

Since you can’t stand for long, exercises in the pool might be a good workout.

Weight lifting type exercises is good also. Start with dumbbells.

I would recommend cutting sugar and carbs. No more bread and smaller portions. Good luck

 

[timewerx]

Since you can’t stand for long, exercises in the pool might be a good workout.

Weight lifting type exercises is good also. Start with dumbbells.

I would recommend cutting sugar and carbs. No more bread and smaller portions. Good luck

One easy way of telling you're consuming too much sugar, you get deposits on your teeth that feel rough on the tongue you can't get rid off with a non-electric toothbrush. When you reduce sugar intake, those deposits go away too.

 

[Freth]

Well, it depends, you can buy one fruit and one can of beans a week and stay withing your budget, but its not sustainable, right. If you can eat fully and healthily for $100 a month in a normal western city, then you have won a lottery.

Here in Europe, $100 bill would be rather a week budget for an optimal nutrition food. Indeed, you can eat just rice, pasta and beans and it would be cheap, but not healthy.

I buy four to six cans of beans a month (some 15 oz, some 28 oz), but I also have a pantry stocked with dry beans and rice, which help me stretch my grocery budget. Dry beans are cheap, and can be used for so many things, not just soup. I don't eat beans every meal, but they are a big part of my diet. Add in a variety of fresh vegetables and I have enough to make meals that last a week or more. If I get tired of the same thing I freeze it and make something else, then come back to it later. Just with soups and casseroles alone I can make meals that last a week each. Multiply that times four and I've made it through the month with ease. That is not counting the other food I buy, like bread, peanut butter, eggs, oats, soups (which I use for casseroles as well) and fruits like bananas and apples.

Food prices have increased, and the cost of living has increased (rent, medical insurance), which have caused me to have a food budget of $100. Before, I was able to spend $130-200 on groceries.

I was raised on depression era recipes. This knowledge helps me make simple nutritious meals from scratch. One thing that saves me money is not buying meat. Eating vegetarian cuts out the need for that extra expense. I am far from struggling.

I ate way more unhealthy when I was working and had ample money to buy whatever I wanted. Now, I am health-conscious as well as budget-conscious.

In May my vehicle will be paid off, freeing up enough money for me to have a much higher food budget if I choose, but I think I'm going to stick with what I've been living on and put it in my savings account.

 

[trophy33]

I buy four to six cans of beans a month (some 15 oz, some 28 oz), but I also have a pantry stocked with dry beans and rice, which help me stretch my grocery budget. Dry beans are cheap, and can be used for so many things, not just soup. I don't eat beans every meal, but they are a big part of my diet. Add in a variety of fresh vegetables and I have enough to make meals that last a week or more. If I get tired of the same thing I freeze it and make something else, then come back to it later. Just with soups and casseroles alone I can make meals that last a week each. Multiply that times four and I've made it through the month with ease. That is not counting the other food I buy, like bread, peanut butter, eggs, oats, soups (which I use for casseroles as well) and fruits like bananas and apples.

Food prices have increased, and the cost of living has increased (rent, medical insurance), which have caused me to have a food budget of $100. Before, I was able to spend $130-200 on groceries.

I was raised on depression era recipes. This knowledge helps me make simple nutritious meals from scratch. One thing that saves me money is not buying meat. Eating vegetarian cuts out the need for that extra expense. I am far from struggling.

I ate way more unhealthy when I was working and had ample money to buy whatever I wanted. Now, I am health-conscious as well as budget-conscious.

In May my vehicle will be paid off, freeing up enough money for me to have a much higher food budget if I choose, but I think I'm going to stick with what I've been living on and put it in my savings account.

Where do you get D3/K2, omega3, collagen, taurine, creatine, glycine, hyaluronic acid etc from? Some of it is in eggs, but you would need to eat quite a lot of eggs.

Also, are you getting the recommended intake of protein?

I tried to incorporate sourdough rye bread (which is also not cheap) and canned beans into my diet, but I cannot tolerate it well. And bio fruit and vegetables are really expensive, here. Nuts too. For example, 125 grams of blueberries are about 3-4 euros, one avocado is about 1.5 euro etc.

 

[Freth]

Where do you get D3/K2, omega3, collagen, taurine, creatine, glycine, hyaluronic acid etc from? Some of it is in eggs, but you would need to eat quite a lot of eggs.

Also, are you getting the recommended intake of protein?

I tried to incorporate sourdough rye bread (which is also not cheap) and canned beans into my diet, but I cannot tolerate it well. And bio fruit and vegetables are really expensive, here. Nuts too. For example, 125 grams of blueberries are about 3-4 euros, one avocado is about 1.5 euro etc.

• D3/K2: pasteurized eggs, cheese, spinach, broccoli, and carrots... and of course avocado
• Omega 3: flax seeds, walnuts, soybeans, brussel sprouts and navy beans
• Callogen: eggs, garlic, leafy green vegetables, berries, citrus fruits, nuts and seeds, avocado
• Taurine: eggs, cheeses
• Creatine: cheeses, eggs, seeds, nuts
• Hyaluronic acid: tofu, edamame, potatoes, carrots, nuts, sweet potatoes, citrus fruits
• Protein: eggs, lentils, cottage cheese, beans, almonds

Believe it or not, I am able to afford avocados at Aldi. I do allow myself cheese when I can afford it. I keep frozen blueberries on hand for morning oats when I can afford it.

 

[trophy33]

• D3/K2: pasteurized eggs, cheese, spinach, broccoli, and carrots... and of course avocado
• Omega 3: flax seeds, walnuts, soybeans, brussel sprouts and navy beans
• Callogen: eggs, garlic, leafy green vegetables, berries, citrus fruits, nuts and seeds, avocado
• Taurine: eggs, cheeses
• Creatine: cheeses, eggs, seeds, nuts
• Hyaluronic acid: tofu, edamame, potatoes, carrots, nuts, sweet potatoes, citrus fruits
• Protein: eggs, lentils, cottage cheese, beans, almonds

Believe it or not, I am able to afford avocados at Aldi. I do allow myself cheese when I can afford it. I keep frozen blueberries on hand for morning oats when I can afford it.

How many eggs and dairy do you eat daily? Because it seems they are the main source of almost everything for you.

Also, what did you base this list upon? I randomly checked leafy green vegetables for collagen or seeds for creatine or spinach for D3 and they contain none.

 

[linux.poet]

All of that information is online. It’s never been easier for a person to educate themselves and make better informed decisions.

It's hard to wean yourself off of a toxic food supply, because that takes a massive amount of work. The best thing to do is only buy vegetables, fruits and meat, eggs and dairy products, and buy flour and make all of your bread and juice yourself. Even the fruits and vegetables are bred hybrids with less nutrition than heirloom vegetables. Everything bread here is loaded with toxic preservatives, every sauce, every salad dressing. The juices have high fructose corn syrup in them, unless they are orange juice or the specific cranberry juice I get at Costco that only has sugar.

I dream of having fruit trees and a vegetable garden in my backyard, but it may be months and years of struggle to arrive at that goal with my other collection of responsibilities.

 

[Freth]

How many eggs and dairy do you eat daily? Because it seems they are the main source of almost everything for you.

Also, what did you base this list upon? I randomly checked leafy green vegetables for collagen or seeds for creatine or spinach for D3 and they contain none.

I'm not overly concerned, to be honest. In 2018 I saw a nutritionist about my diet, but I've been living vegetarian off and on most of my life. I was raised on vegetarian food. If there were any ill effects from malnutrition I would've suffered those effects by now. If anything, when I was eating meat on a regular basis I was worse off health-wise.

Have you heard of the Loma Linda Blue Zone where people live up to 10 years longer? I don't live in California, but this is my church, and diet. Adventists the world over are living longer because of their diet.

 

[Neostarwcc]

I live in Ohio. I don't own my own farm or ranch. Food is expensive, but I shop mostly at Aldi, which has saved me a ton vs Kroger. I am able to buy the items I listed above and stay within budget.

We have an aldis in the town that I live in but I find their fruit to be very low quality and the only other grocery stores we have are price chopper and Walmart which are pretty expensive fruit wise. So I tend not to buy fruits. I try to buy frozen fruit instead which aldis has better quality of rather than their fresh fruit.

And to be completely honest I'm just not a vegetable person. I don't like vegetables I've tried them all and the only ones I like are sweet potatoes, potatoes, and corn. So... kind of limited options there. So I try to choke down peas and green beans and other vegetables every now and then but honestly they're disgusting.

Then there's rice. Yum. But I like white rice I can't STAND the taste of brown rice. It tastes nasty. I've tried getting my wife to cook it several ways, I've tried choking it down, it's just nasty tasting. My nutritionist at the bariatric clinic has given in and let me eat white rice but she would rather I eat the brown stuff because of the fiber in it. But it is just so... nasty. I don't mind whole wheat pasta every once in a while but brown rice is just... blegh.

But yeah I love the taste of virtually every fruit, yogurt, legume, and other healthy product just can't stand vegetables and brown rice. My wife and I are poor too but we can afford a $400 a month food budget for sure. Maybe $500. So we might be a little bit better than usual between the two of us. That pays for some of the healthy foods we buy and the inflated prices in New York.