Pete Hegseth confirmation hearing in the US Senate

[Hans Blaster]

Perhaps that tells us who wrote his book.

[Hegseth bio title]

By Pete Hegseth with A. Sources

 

[Hazelelponi]

Obviously, Evangelical America made it quite clear in 2016, 2020 and 2024 at the ballot box.
Character does not matter in a leader.
Integrety does not matter in a leader
Fidelity does not matter in a leader.

It matters, but what the fidelity is to is what concerns us...

Let's face it, the type of fidelity we are looking for is not the kind you want even if we paint a pretty face on it - something few in America actually have these days when you put all our lives under a microscope.

So why bother with the face, Id rather make sure we have what we actually need than to be concerned about the face.

I'm tired of empty suits and pretty faces without brains or a backbone. We will be confirming Hegseth.

 

[Postvieww]

"Ya'll come to work drunk, too" is an interesting defense.

It wasn’t a defense it was pointing out the rampant hypocrisy of the left in these hearings.

 

[wing2000]

It matters, but what the fidelity is to is what concerns us...

...."Fidelity to the Consitution"

Let's face it, the type of fidelity we are looking for is not the kind you want even if we paint a pretty face on it - something few in America actually have these days when you put all our lives under a microscope.

I beg to differ. The leaders in the company I work for would be fired tomorrow if they showed up to work under the influence.

So why bother with the face, Id rather make sure we have what we actually need than to be concerned about the face.

I'm tired of empty suits and pretty faces without brains or a backbone. We will be confirming Hegseth.

I'm tired of people pretending every man is on the same moral plane as Donald J Trump (or in this case) Pete Hegseth. Most men I know do not cheat 2 months after their wife just gave birth to his child. We should expect better from our leaders.....(or maybe not?).

 

[Hazelelponi]

Fidelity to the Consitution"

And Pete Hegseth has demonstrated this.

That's what matters.



As to the rest, Bill Clinton.... The Democrats got over fidelity in marriage decades ago.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It matters, but what the fidelity is to is what concerns us...

Let's face it, the type of fidelity we are looking for is not the kind you want even if we paint a pretty face on it - something few in America actually have these days when you put all our lives under a microscope.

So why bother with the face, Id rather make sure we have what we actually need than to be concerned about the face.

I'm tired of empty suits and pretty faces without brains or a backbone. We will be confirming Hegseth.

What are you talking about? Your post make absolutely no sense.

 

[Say it aint so]

That is one way of spinning the history of what happened.

That is exactly what happened. The only thing I did not include was Trump being so proud of himself with his negotiation and prison release of the people we were fighting, and not the sovereign nation we were a helping, he wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David.

 

[Say it aint so]

Only anonymous sources are accusing Hegseth of being a drunkard. The womanizer accusation doesn't mean a person is unfit to be a Senator, or a POTUS, or a SecDef according to the history of those offices.

The SecDef is supposed to be the top civilian authority, with the exception of the Commander in Chief, of the military. The SecDef is higher in the chain of command than the Joint Chiefs Staff.

Police reports are not anonymous. Whistle blower reports are not anonymous. Adultery while in the service is a crime. Non profit orgs he ran went bankrupt. At most the number of people under were 100. He's not only unqualified, he is woefully unqualified. The advisory role to the president is the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

 

[Hazelelponi]

That is exactly what happened. The only thing I did not include was Trump being so proud of himself with his negotiation and prison release of the people we were fighting, and not the sovereign nation we were a helping, he wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David.

What Trump did was right.

Look, the longer we stayed, the more loyalty we lost

It's a fact of life, people can't live in a war zone indefinitely and ultimately, the Taliban is often more their people than ours, what commonality do people in the west really think they have with rural Pashtun people?

Whatever it could be, ends in any generational conflict, and that's just honest.

If we can't get in and get out having overcome the enemy in a reasonable span of time we shouldn't go in, in the first place.

At the point where Trump made the deal with the Taliban, he fully expected to be the one to handle our exit meaning at any point the Taliban wasn't acting right we cancel.

That's what you're supposed to do not just completely botch a withdrawal. That's not on Trump. If Trump had taken office again in 2020 that withdrawal would have occurred the way it should have.... With all our people and friends and military equipment safe and sound.

 

[Say it aint so]

What Trump did was right.

Look, the longer we stayed, the more loyalty we lost

It's a fact of life, people can't live in a war zone indefinitely and ultimately, the Taliban is often more their people than ours, what commonality do people in the west really think they have with rural Pashtun people?

Whatever it could be, ends in any generational conflict, and that's just honest.

If we can't get in and get out having overcome the enemy in a reasonable span of time we shouldn't go in, in the first place.

At the point where Trump made the deal with the Taliban, he fully expected to be the one to handle our exit meaning at any point the Taliban wasn't acting right we cancel.

That's what you're supposed to do not just completely botch a withdrawal. That's not on Trump. If Trump had taken office again in 2020 that withdrawal would have occurred the way it should have.... With all our people and friends and military equipment safe and sound.

No. We were there to root out the Taliban and in getting rid of them, and help the sovereign government of Afghanistan reestablish itself from under that rule. You don't spend years of blood loss in American soldiers along with money and toil, and turn around and negotiate a withdrawal with the enemy who killed your troops rather than the sovereign government you're establishing. You don't as part of that negotiation with them release 5,000 of their prisoners along with who would become the new Taliban leader of Afghanistan. And no, the Taliban NEVER acted right regarding the withdrawal deal. Trump had no withdrawal plan what so ever. None.

 

[Pommer]

And no, the Taliban NEVER acted right regarding the withdrawal deal. Trump had no withdrawal plan what so ever. None

The plan was to get right on that once Trump won re-election.

 

[Hazelelponi]

No. We were there to root out the Taliban and in getting rid of them, and help the sovereign government of Afghanistan reestablish itself from under that rule. You don't spend years of blood loss in American soldiers along with money and toil, and turn around and negotiate a withdrawal with the enemy who killed your troops rather than the sovereign government you're establishing. You don't as part of that negotiation with them release 5,000 of their prisoners along with who would become the new Taliban leader of Afghanistan. And no, the Taliban NEVER acted right regarding the withdrawal deal. Trump had no withdrawal plan what so ever. None.

I was a very vocal supporter of leaving Afghanistan.

If, in 20 years you cannot win a war you have to call it lost.

Everyone deserves that, on both sides. People do not need to grow up in a war zone. It's not good for people, it's not good for anyone's mental health and I will never ever support generational war.

The Bible does not support generational war and neither do I.

You go in and get out. You don't play games with it.

 

[Say it aint so]

I was a very vocal supporter of leaving Afghanistan.

If, in 20 years you cannot win a war you have to call it lost.

Everyone deserves that, on both sides. People do not need to grow up in a war zone. It's not good for people, it's not good for anyone's mental health and I will never ever support generational war.

The Bible does not support generational war and neither do I.

You go in and get out. You don't play games with it.

It was a war of choice. It was the lily-pad stop to Iraq. But as the saying go, if you break it, you fix it. As I noted before Trump's prison release set the house on fire, and he left it for his predecessor to put it out, while placing blame upon the outcome.
Oh yeah, any rudimentary understanding of the Bible lays clear, it is all about generational wars.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It was a war of choice. It was the lily-pad stop to Iraq. But as the saying go, if you break it, you fix it.
Oh yeah, any rudimentary understanding of the Bible lays clear, it is all about generational wars.

It was a war of choice because our nation was attacked.

We went in, we went to war, we lost. Exactly how many decades before you admit defeat or sheer ineptitude at the art of war?

I was against the Iraq war, but pro Afghanistan war - just so you know my historic Bush stances. I stopped voting because of him. I still have the same stances, but I'm back to voting.

As far as the Bible where war is concerned it's the history of over 3,000 years of a particular people's history. Since the history of the world is also the history of war, we definitely expect the history of any people to follow that same track over the course of 3 millennia.

But there's something specific we are taught from their history:

1.) if we are threatened we fight in defense of ourselves and our borders and our way of life

2.) what is ours is what God has given us, and when we lose a war we settle down and act like good conquered citizens until which opportunity comes from God to change those circumstances

Which means - don't be like Hamas, or some few of the Zealots of Jesus' day and keep fighting uselessly after you lost the war, after we soundly lose a war we just give to Caesar what is Caesars and wait upon God, and if we are the conquered people we live like the Babylonian Jews during their exile, build houses and plant and seek to live peaceably among them.

Which means, no generational war according to Scriptures.

I truly think 10 years anywhere should be more than enough to win any war with modern technology.

Trump wasn't calling it until well past that, so it's not some crazy thing to say we need to leave these poor people alone and let them live as best they can.

 

[Pommer]

It was a war of choice because our nation was attacked.

We went in, we went to war, we lost. Exactly how many decades before you admit defeat or sheer ineptitude at the art of war?

I was against the Iraq war, but pro Afghanistan war - just so you know my historic Bush stances. I stopped voting because of him. I still have the same stances, but I'm back to voting.

As far as the Bible where war is concerned it's the history of over 3,000 years of a particular people's history. Since the history of the world is also the history of war, we definitely expect the history of any people to follow that same track over the course of 3 millennia.

But there's something specific we are taught from their history:

1.) if we are threatened we fight in defense of ourselves and our borders and our way of life

2.) what is ours is what God has given us, and when we lose a war we settle down and act like good conquered citizens until which opportunity comes from God to change those circumstances

Which means - don't be like Hamas, or some few of the Zealots of Jesus' day and keep fighting uselessly after you lost the war, after we soundly lose a war we just give to Caesar what is Caesars and wait upon God, and if we are the conquered people we live like the Babylonian Jews during their exile, build houses and plant and seek to live peaceably among them.

Which means, no generational war according to Scriptures.

I truly think 10 years anywhere should be more than enough to win any war with modern technology.

Trump wasn't calling it until well past that, so it's not some crazy thing to say we need to leave these poor people alone and let them live as best they can.

Great, how is all of this germane to Mister Hegseth’s nomination?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Great, how is all of this germane to Mister Hegseth’s nomination?

Well, we are discussing the SecDef and the topic came up.

 

[Say it aint so]

It was a war of choice because our nation was attacked.

We went in, we went to war, we lost. Exactly how many decades before you admit defeat or sheer ineptitude at the art of war?

I was against the Iraq war, but pro Afghanistan war - just so you know my historic Bush stances. I stopped voting because of him. I still have the same stances, but I'm back to voting.

As far as the Bible where war is concerned it's the history of over 3,000 years of a particular people's history. Since the history of the world is also the history of war, we definitely expect the history of any people to follow that same track over the course of 3 millennia.

But there's something specific we are taught from their history:

1.) if we are threatened we fight in defense of ourselves and our borders and our way of life

2.) what is ours is what God has given us, and when we lose a war we settle down and act like good conquered citizens until which opportunity comes from God to change those circumstances

Which means - don't be like Hamas, or some few of the Zealots of Jesus' day and keep fighting uselessly after you lost the war, after we soundly lose a war we just give to Caesar what is Caesars and wait upon God, and if we are the conquered people we live like the Babylonian Jews during their exile, build houses and plant and seek to live peaceably among them.

Which means, no generational war according to Scriptures.

I truly think 10 years anywhere should be more than enough to win any war with modern technology.

Trump wasn't calling it until well past that, so it's not some crazy thing to say we need to leave these poor people alone and let them live as best they can.

Look a little deeper. But as noted, we are getting off track.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Look a little deeper. But as noted, we are getting off track.

Look deeper at what?

I don't believe the Bible told the Jews to keep fighting uselessly until you win, regardless of how many generations it takes, regardless of whether it's even your own land.

This is relevant to the position of SecDef and clearly why the posts don't support America first initiatives - because they support forever war and America first initiatives don't.

So, what is the reasoning for generational wars until we win regardless of how many generations it takes regardless of whether it's even our land?

Why?

I have Jesus' words to the Jews under Roman occupation and Jeremiah's words to the Jews at the Babylonian exile for my support as being a matter of moral faith.

All we're doing is creating enemies, not helping anyone - my opinion - with that mindset. I wanted desperately to win, and I am sad we did not. But we didn't and without a military who could there's no point.

 

[Postvieww]

I'm tired of people pretending every man is on the same moral plane as Donald J Trump (or in this case) Pete Hegseth. Most men I know do not cheat 2 months after their wife just gave birth to his child. We should expect better from our leaders.....(or maybe not?).

He claims to be a changed man and acknowledges Jesus as his Lord. Do you know something to contradict that testimony?

 

[Pommer]

He claims to be a changed man and acknowledges Jesus as his Lord. Do you know something to contradict that testimony?

Maybe someone who’s played by-the-book is a better choice?
No, we’re going with the guy had has had a “history” of reveling and infidelity.