WWJD Did Jesus Pray to Mary?

[Valletta]

Do you believe that the saints are omnipresent?

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Revelation 5: 8 "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;" Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

 

[BPPLEE]

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Revelation 5: 8 "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;" Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

Protestants believe differently about who the saints are

 

[RileyG]

Protestants believe differently about who the saints are

Correct. In that verse, it specifically those Saints in heaven who have gone to their eternal reward.

 

[RileyG]

Do we have a name for that Samaritan woman so we can pray to her by name, or do we simply pray to her generically?

No. I can ask the thief on the cross who was saved to pray for me.

His name, by tradition, was St. Dimas.

I have no problem for asking "Mother Rachel" wife of Jacob, to pray for me, either.

 

[RileyG]

The problem is when the RC appeals to Scripture anyways and the proof text doesn't really fit the dogma.

I disagree. Per the writings of revelation and the early Church fathers, it is very much scriptural.

Those who have gone to heaven ARE NOT DEAD, they are ALIVE in Christ.

Christ defeated death and overcame the devil!

Hallelujah!

 

[JoeT]

It may be either way, my answer would be that as God, even in his human incarnation, his needs are provided for, though he will talk to the heavenly Father he says is his. So he would not ever have need to petition Mary his mother, and I do not have the belief that she should be prayed to. I do believe he was kind and loving to her.

A young child or infant has a human need for his parents attention for proper de. It was Mary who met his physical needs and it was Mary who taught him his Jewish spiritual needs. Every human infant or child would have a need to solicit help from his parents. Indeed we should ask the Mother of God to help us. Being adopted sons and daughters of God [Cf. John 1:12], As a son or daughter of God she becomes our spiritual mother and mother of the Church as she is mother of the founder.

JoeT

 

[timothyu]

Which makes her our grandma would it not, as we are children of Jesus?

 

[Valletta]

Which makes her our grandma would it not, as we are children of Jesus?

Jesus is our BROTHER.

Romans 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

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[RileyG]

Which makes her our grandma would it not, as we are children of Jesus?

The Grandmother of God would be St. Anne, the mother of the Virgin Mary.

I ask for her prayers often.

 

[RileyG]

A young child or infant has a human need for his parents attention for proper de. It was Mary who met his physical needs and it was Mary who taught him his Jewish spiritual needs. Every human infant or child would have a need to solicit help from his parents. Indeed we should ask the Mother of God to help us. Being adopted sons and daughters of God [Cf. John 1:12], As a son or daughter of God she becomes our spiritual mother and mother of the Church as she is mother of the founder.

JoeT

Amen! Without her prayers I would probably be dead!

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus is our BROTHER.

Romans 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

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Yes, I must say I was surprised to see Jesus described as our Father rather than our Brother. The only place I could think of in the bible where the Messiah is referred to as "Father" is the prophecy of Isaiah, in that wonderful verses often read at Christmas time:

“For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isa 9:6 NKJV)

 

[FredVB]

A young child or infant has a human need for his parents attention for proper de. It was Mary who met his physical needs and it was Mary who taught him his Jewish spiritual needs. Every human infant or child would have a need to solicit help from his parents. Indeed we should ask the Mother of God to help us. Being adopted sons and daughters of God [Cf. John 1:12], As a son or daughter of God she becomes our spiritual mother and mother of the Church as she is mother of the founder.

JoeT

Yes. Yes, because that is where God has Jesus being, that needs for then were provided. It is God that can be credited for that, while Mary was doing what she needed to be doing. This was not a good argument for us to pray to Mary to ask for help to us in what we see need for it. There is one stone for the church being built on, it is the real gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Valletta]

Yes. Yes, because that is where God has Jesus being, that needs for then were provided. It is God that can be credited for that, while Mary was doing what she needed to be doing. This was not a good argument for us to pray to Mary to ask for help to us in what we see need for it. There is one stone for the church being built on, it is the real gospel of Jesus Christ.

It explains why Mary is the one most often asked for intercessory prayers.

 

[bbbbbbb]

It explains why Mary is the one most often asked for intercessory prayers.

Absolutely. She is far more reliable and faithful than her rather dilatory Son.

 

[The Liturgist]

Absolutely. She is far more reliable and faithful than her rather dilatory Son.

I think you know enough High Church Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox to know that is not our view nor the view of any Roman Catholics.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I think you know enough High Church Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox to know that is not our view nor the view of any Roman Catholics.

Of course, I do. However, I think you would agree with me that stating that "Mary is the one most often asked for intercessory prayers" is highly inaccurate, to say the least.

 

[prodromos]

Absolutely. She is far more reliable and faithful than her rather dilatory Son.

Perhaps God wishes to encourage seeking the intercessions of the Saints.

 

[prodromos]

Of course, I do. However, I think you would agree with me that stating that "Mary is the one most often asked for intercessory prayers" is highly inaccurate, to say the least.

Out of all the Saints, I would say Mary's intercessions are the most sought after. When we pray directly to Christ we aren't seeking "intercessory prayers", so the statement wasn't the least bit inaccurate.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Out of all the Saints, I would say Mary's intercessions are the most sought after. When we pray directly to Christ we aren't seeking "intercessory prayers", so the statement wasn't the least bit inaccurate.

I perceive that there is a degree of misunderstanding on my part, for which I apologize. In my understanding, the Bible is quite explicit that Jesus Christ intercedes for His people (Hebrews 7:25), but is not at all explicit concerning the intercessory role of others apart from the Godhead. Regardless, I have no doubt that Jesus Christ does make intercession. Therefore, it is my understanding that He is the one whose intercessions are most sought after, certainly by Protestants.

Whether or not other individuals serve in an intercessory role is not relevant to my response. My response is in regard to the assertion that Mary's role as intercessor is the most sought after, at least within Christendom.

 

[prodromos]

I perceive that there is a degree of misunderstanding on my part, for which I apologize. In my understanding, the Bible is quite explicit that Jesus Christ intercedes for His people (Hebrews 7:25), but is not at all explicit concerning the intercessory role of others apart from the Godhead. Regardless, I have no doubt that Jesus Christ does make intercession. Therefore, it is my understanding that He is the one whose intercessions are most sought after, certainly by Protestants.

Whether or not other individuals serve in an intercessory role is not relevant to my response. My response is in regard to the assertion that Mary's role as intercessor is the most sought after, at least within Christendom.

Jesus is the only mediator between God and man because He is the only God-man. Anyone can play the role of intercessor by praying to God on behalf of others.