What denominations believe Salvation can never be lost?

[JohnB445]

From what I know Baptist, and Presbyterians do, are there any more?

 

[Mark Quayle]

Not all Baptists, not all Presbyterians. Many others, like Methodists, believe similarly. Most fundamentalists, dispensationalists and Reformed/Calvinists believe that God will finish whatever he has begun. If one is "In Christ" he will never be out of Christ. The problem comes when people claim that "once you're in, there's no question", which is not quite the way of things. We must continue, or we were never 'in Christ', but were fooling ourselves.

 

[d taylor]

From what I know Baptist, and Presbyterians do, are there any more?

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Not sure if it is considered a denomination as free grace believers can be Baptist, Methodist, Non denominational, etc..l
But Free Grace Grace Evangelical Society believes and teaches once a born again child of God always a born again child of God

 

[Diamond72]

God will finish whatever he has begun.

Does that mean we no longer have free will?
Perhaps no one has ever walked away from God,
but could they if they wanted to?

Does the irresistible Grace of God sound a little like calvanism?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Not all Baptists, not all Presbyterians. Many others, like Methodists, believe similarly. Most fundamentalists, dispensationalists and Reformed/Calvinists believe that God will finish whatever he has begun. If one is "In Christ" he will never be out of Christ. The problem comes when people claim that "once you're in, there's no question", which is not quite the way of things. We must continue, or we were never 'in Christ', but were fooling ourselves.

This does not depend on us, but on God.

Either Christ has atoned for you on the cross, and paid for your sin in full, or He did not.

Walking with God requires to be born again, without the Holy Spirit it is impossible to walk with God.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Mark Quayle said:
God will finish whatever he has begun.

Does that mean we no longer have free will?

That depends on what you mean by 'free will'. But we never had entirely ("libertarian") free will. There are always causes for what we decide. And we were all born in sin, and freely sin. But only those who are born again are free to obey. All others are at the core, sinfully deciding to do whatever they do, including when they choose to do the thing they should—compliance is not submission.

Perhaps no one has ever walked away from God,
but could they if they wanted to?

I do it pretty much every day, but he keeps bringing me back. He will finish whatever he has begun.

Does the irresistible Grace of God sound a little like calvanism?

Calvinism's "Irresistible Grace" is about salvation —or, more specifically, regeneration (being 'born again'). ('Irresistible Grace' is not a reference to God's many other graces). "Salvation is [entirely] by grace, through faith, and that, not of yourselves..." We are not consulted nor does God wait for us to give him permission, to utterly change our fallen nature. If God did not do that to me, I would never have given my heart to him. My decision for Christ was not what caused my salvation. My very faith is only mine because it is done in me, and I am completely 'enroiled' in it. My faith was, and still is, generated by the Spirit of God, and not by my vacillating, ignorant, self-important will.

Another way to look at it: Several people with whom I have spoken simply found themselves believing in God, trusting him. There were no fireworks. And as a result, they found themselves giving him their hearts, (repeatedly, actually).

 

[Mark Quayle]

This does not depend on us, but on God.

Either Christ has atoned for you on the cross, and paid for your sin in full, or He did not.

Walking with God requires to be born again, without the Holy Spirit it is impossible to walk with God.

I wanted to put 'winner' but the emojis wouldn't load for your post; it would only let me do the 'like'. Later: Ah! I reloaded and it let me.

You are exactly right! In fact, I consider all virtues that are subsequent to Salvation —that is, I consider all virtues that are characteristic of each individual's "sanctification" (growth), also monergistic, (though not in the same way as the monergism of regeneration). "For it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to his good pleasure."

 

[David Lamb]

From what I know Baptist, and Presbyterians do, are there any more?

As far as Baptists are concerned, one of the Baptist distinctives is the autonomy, under Christ, of the local church. For that reason it isn't possible to say that Baptists do or do not believe salvation can never be lost. If the local Baptist church is a Reformed Baptist Church (sometimes known as a Grace Baptist church), it probably holds that salvation cannot be lost. But there is a variety of beliefs among Baptist churches on this.

 

[Diamond72]

That depends on what you mean by 'free will'. But we never had entirely ("libertarian") free will. There are always causes for what we decide. And we were all born in sin, and freely sin. But only those who are born again are free to obey. All others are at the core, sinfully deciding to do whatever they do, including when they choose to do the thing they should—compliance is not submission.

"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed." Isaiah 65 20

How is the Kingdom age going to be different from the Church age? Luke 17 21 "Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs." Could the church age end and the kingdom age begin and people do not even know it? If tehre are no observable signs?

 

[Diamond72]

But there is a variety of beliefs among Baptist churches on this.

Why can they not agree on this?

 

[Mark Quayle]

Why can they not agree on this?

Because some of them are dispensationalists?

 

[Mark Quayle]

"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed." Isaiah 65 20

How is the Kingdom age going to be different from the Church age? Luke 17 21 "Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs." Could the church age end and the kingdom age begin and people do not even know it? If tehre are no observable signs?

Dispensationalism at its core presumes self-determinism. To maintain that mind, dispensationalists must separate the epistemic from the spiritual. They actually think that man's efforts add to God's. Thus, to them, the present church —the Body of Christ— is not yet the kingdom of God, and to do that, they must separate them into two 'ages'. Ironically, they also conflate what may well be symbolic, (as though literal), with what is as yet not proven except by their arrangement of it (or so they think it known) —for example, to claim Isaiah 65:20 must be literal about either heaven or earth (take your pick) and not get the point being made by Isaiah.

Dispensationalists will always take the use of Scripture to maintain that separation of this from that, when as you mentioned, Jesus said "The Kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. ...For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

 

[Simonides]

I was raised Southern Baptist and taught eternal salvation. After my regeneration, my views slowly changed. I ended up leaving the church, getting a divorce and running from God for the next 30 years. Mind you, I'm not implying causality, though a case could certainly be made.

Two years ago my loving and patient, merciful and longsuffering Father, and the Shepherd of my Soul, left the 99 and brought me home.
I'm no Calvinist, fine theologian that he was. But I am firmly convinced in the perseverance of the saints.

 

[Diamond72]

Because some of them are dispensationalists?

I did not know that young earth could be a dispensationalist. I guess I should quit calling myself one if it is going to confuse people like that. Although it makes sense. We have the church age for 2,000 years. were the Kingdom is in us. Now we will be in the kingdom age for 1,000 years. Does that mean the church is in us?

So are young earth dispensationalism Pre-Millennialis?

 

[David Lamb]

Why can they not agree on this?

Why should baptists be any different to other Christians on this matter of whether salvation can be lost? Some baptist believe it can, others believe it can't, just like other Christians.

 

[Diamond72]

Why should baptists be any different to other Christians on this matter

Which means someone is wrong. Only Paul says someone is approved and someone is NOT approved. "No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval". i Corinthians 11 19

Perhaps it is better to be wrong because then we humble ourselves before God. There is no opportunity to be puffed up with pride about how much better we are than those people who do not know what they are talking about.

 

[David Lamb]

Which means someone is wrong. Only Paul says someone is approved and someone is NOT approved. "No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval". i Corinthians 11 19

Perhaps it is better to be wrong because then we humble ourselves before God. There is no opportunity to be puffed up with pride about how much better we are than those people who do not know what they are talking about.

Yes, there is always the danger of pride, but I wouldn't agree that it is better to be wrong, in order to avoid pride.

 

[Diamond72]

Yes, there is always the danger of pride, but I wouldn't agree that it is better to be wrong, in order to avoid pride.

Paul talks about an inner beauty, but no one goes back to see what Isaiah 3 says. The prophet talks about: "instead of styled hair, baldness". So for me we have to keep ourselves humble before God. It works because I have to thin my hair out to keep it from getting to thick.


24Instead of fragrance

there will be a stench;

instead of a belt, a rope;

instead of styled hair, baldness;

instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;

instead of beauty, shame.e

 

[David Lamb]

Paul talks about an inner beauty, but no one goes back to see what Isaiah 3 says. The prophet talks about: "instead of styled hair, baldness". So for me we have to keep ourselves humble before God. It works because I have to thin my hair out to keep it from getting to thick.


24Instead of fragrance

there will be a stench;

instead of a belt, a rope;

instead of styled hair, baldness;

instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;

instead of beauty, shame.e

Those verses in Isaiah were part of God's judgment against "the wanton daughters of Zion," not telling us that to be humble we must wear ropes instead of belts, thin our hair, etc.

 

[Tom8907]

Frankly, any decent, biblically based one.